1 300 yard game in 8 games in a pass first offense

That's what happens when you don't have anybody who can win outside/go deep.

I mean just look at today. McLaurin wins that ball to essentially win it for his team. Hopkins is amazing. AJ Brown caught 3 TD passes and 2 of those (maybe all 3) he was double covered. Tyreek Hill is WIDE OPEN all game…. Oh and they drafted Waddle. The Jags have maybe the 4th worst outside receiver group in the entire league. They used almost every single draft pick on defense just to watch it crumble late in games.

The Eagles made aggressive moves to give their QB the best chance to succeed. Baalke brought in Zay Jones to win on the outside and kept Marvin Jones.

Trevor has thrown some bad picks and those end zone ones are REALLY bad. But my god, imagine throwing to Zay and Marvin Jones all game on the outside.

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Allen also didn't have Urban Meyer his first year. Do you honestly believe Lawrence received any NFL level coaching last year? Because I honestly don't believe he did.

Sure, but again, Lawrence is regressing which isn't a good thing. His best games were at the beginning of the season.

He played a nearly perfect game 2 weeks ago against the colts and he was solid 1 week ago vs the Giants..

Week 1 - Average
Week 2 - Good
Week 3 - Good
Week 4 - Bad
Week 5 - Bad
Week 6 - Good
Week 7 - Average
Week 8 - Bad

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Sure, but again, Lawrence is regressing which isn't a good thing. His best games were at the beginning of the season.

He played a nearly perfect game 2 weeks ago against the colts and he was solid 1 week ago vs the Giants..

Week 1 - Average - Sure, or slightly below average.
Week 2 - Good - Yes
Week 3 - Good - Yes
Week 4 - Bad - Yes
Week 5 - Bad - Yes
Week 6 - Good - Sorry, but I'd say this was average. It was efficient even. 
Week 7 - Average - Wrong, this was average. Almost a 50% completion percentage and only hit 300+ yards because he threw it 43 times.
Week 8 - Bad - Yes

This guy was drafted to be our franchise quarterback of the next 15 years. You guys want him to be that so badly that you're considering average games to be good, and games where he had 51% completion to be average. Blame the defense as much as you want, but at least give him some of the blame.

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Sure, but again, Lawrence is regressing which isn't a good thing. His best games were at the beginning of the season.

He played a nearly perfect game 2 weeks ago against the colts and he was solid 1 week ago vs the Giants..

Week 1 - Average
Week 2 - Good
Week 3 - Good
Week 4 - Bad
Week 5 - Bad
Week 6 - Good
Week 7 - Average
Week 8 - Bad

Thats showing regression and not good.  Look at the last 5 games.  or you can even look at the last 3.  It goes for good, to average, to bad.  Thats not what you want to see out of your 2nd year QB.  mid season the arrow should be pointing up not down.  I hope he can figure it out because if not this franchise is in trouble.

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I don't know if it does anymore. I used to think that, but I'm seeing major regression. He was not bad at all in the final game last year and then in the first 3 games this year, but he has regressed badly.

I don't think so. Hes been bad in 3 games this year. Today, Eagles and texans. He was average to good in the others.

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Who is making excuses for Josh Allen?

Lawrence isn't improving. He's making the same boneheaded mistakes. He's not mentally strong and I don't know if he will be able to snap out of it. We'll have plenty of time to figure it out though because I'm not sold on any of the quarterbacks coming out.

Unless you know him personally, how can you even say this?

The majority of these comments are fatalism or projection or both in my opinion.  I don’t get “mentally weak” from Trevor anytime he’s at the podium.

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That's what happens when you don't have anybody who can win outside/go deep.

I mean just look at today. McLaurin wins that ball to essentially win it for his team. Hopkins is amazing. AJ Brown caught 3 TD passes and 2 of those (maybe all 3) he was double covered. Tyreek Hill is WIDE OPEN all game…. Oh and they drafted Waddle. The Jags have maybe the 4th worst outside receiver group in the entire league. They used almost every single draft pick on defense just to watch it crumble late in games.

The Eagles made aggressive moves to give their QB the best chance to succeed. Baalke brought in Zay Jones to win on the outside and kept Marvin Jones.

Trevor has thrown some bad picks and those end zone ones are REALLY bad. But my god, imagine throwing to Zay and Marvin Jones all game on the outside.

Yup and Shipley is right here. You'd be hard pressed to find another team who he didn't list. Also you see that bomb and catch to DJ Moore today? What a beauty.
https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...3643397121

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I don't think so. Hes been bad in 3 games this year. Today, Eagles and texans. He was average to good in the others.

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Unless you know him personally, how can you even say this?

The majority of these comments are fatalism or projection or both in my opinion.  I don’t get “mentally weak” from Trevor anytime he’s at the podium.

I don't care how he looks on the podium. I care how he looks in the games.

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I mean just look at today. McLaurin wins that ball to essentially win it for his team. Hopkins is amazing. AJ Brown caught 3 TD passes and 2 of those (maybe all 3) he was double covered. Tyreek Hill is WIDE OPEN all game…. Oh and they drafted Waddle. The Jags have maybe the 4th worst outside receiver group in the entire league. They used almost every single draft pick on defense just to watch it crumble late in games.

The Eagles made aggressive moves to give their QB the best chance to succeed. Baalke brought in Zay Jones to win on the outside and kept Marvin Jones.

Trevor has thrown some bad picks and those end zone ones are REALLY bad. But my god, imagine throwing to Zay and Marvin Jones all game on the outside.

Yup and Shipley is right here. You'd be hard pressed to find another team who he didn't list. Also you see that bomb and catch to DJ Moore today? What a beauty.
https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...3643397121

We definitely need an outside receiver that can get open deep, but does it even matter if Trevor can't even place the ball down there? His deep ball accuracy is pretty shaky.

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He played a nearly perfect game 2 weeks ago against the colts and he was solid 1 week ago vs the Giants..

Week 1 - Average - Sure, or slightly below average.
Week 2 - Good - Yes
Week 3 - Good - Yes
Week 4 - Bad - Yes
Week 5 - Bad - Yes
Week 6 - Good - Sorry, but I'd say this was average. It was efficient even. 
Week 7 - Average - Wrong, this was average. Almost a 50% completion percentage and only hit 300+ yards because he threw it 43 times.
Week 8 - Bad - Yes

This guy was drafted to be our franchise quarterback of the next 15 years. You guys want him to be that so badly that you're considering average games to be good, and games where he had 51% completion to be average. Blame the defense as much as you want, but at least give him some of the blame.

He definitely gets some blame. I haven't hesitated to call him out on some of his stupid [BLEEP] throws/decisions, but his play isn't the biggest concern right now(next year around this time is a different story). I'm more concerned about the amount of resources this team put into the Defense and how it hasn't shown up. Too much money and draft picks on the field that aren't showing up.

He played a nearly perfect game 2 weeks ago against the colts and he was solid 1 week ago vs the Giants..

Week 1 - Average
Week 2 - Good
Week 3 - Good
Week 4 - Bad
Week 5 - Bad
Week 6 - Good
Week 7 - Average
Week 8 - Bad

Thats showing regression and not good.  Look at the last 5 games.  or you can even look at the last 3.  It goes for good, to average, to bad.  Thats not what you want to see out of your 2nd year QB.  mid season the arrow should be pointing up not down.  I hope he can figure it out because if not this franchise is in trouble.

It shows up and downs for a young QB on a team that isn't good and loves finding new ways to lose games. If he strings along another couple of bad games in a row these next few weeks then it can be considered regressing.

I don't expect a QB who just turned 23 years old to be perfect, or have good games every week. There's still dudes playing College ball that are older than he is. He's going to have bad games, they all do.

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Allen also didn't have Urban Meyer his first year. Do you honestly believe Lawrence received any NFL level coaching last year? Because I honestly don't believe he did.

Sure, but again, Lawrence is regressing which isn't a good thing. His best games were at the beginning of the season.

Can any of that be explained by playcallling? Have the opposing teams cracked the code to our gameplans?

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This guy was drafted to be our franchise quarterback of the next 15 years. You guys want him to be that so badly that you're considering average games to be good, and games where he had 51% completion to be average. Blame the defense as much as you want, but at least give him some of the blame.

He definitely gets some blame. I haven't hesitated to call him out on some of his stupid [BLEEP] throws/decisions, but his play isn't the biggest concern right now(next year around this time is a different story). I'm more concerned about the amount of resources this team put into the Defense and how it hasn't shown up. Too much money and draft picks on the field that aren't showing up.

Absolutely. And, again, the defense has played like [BLEEP].

I also haven't said that Trevor needs to be replaced right now. I have basically said he'll have the rest of this year and next to prove he was worth the pick or he should be gone. But any Trevor criticism just brings this flock of Trevor nut huggers in that just say "BUT THE DEFENSE" and I find that weird.

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Sure, but again, Lawrence is regressing which isn't a good thing. His best games were at the beginning of the season.

Can any of that be explained by playcallling? Have the opposing teams cracked the code to our gameplans?

Nope. It's turnovers. Last three weeks in a row now Doug has called opening drives that resulted in touchdowns.

They then proceed to get into the redzone on the second drive and turn it over. This is the difference.

Go up 14-0 and watch how quickly the game shifts in momentum and vibe wise.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I mean just look at today. McLaurin wins that ball to essentially win it for his team. Hopkins is amazing. AJ Brown caught 3 TD passes and 2 of those (maybe all 3) he was double covered. Tyreek Hill is WIDE OPEN all game…. Oh and they drafted Waddle. The Jags have maybe the 4th worst outside receiver group in the entire league. They used almost every single draft pick on defense just to watch it crumble late in games.

The Eagles made aggressive moves to give their QB the best chance to succeed. Baalke brought in Zay Jones to win on the outside and kept Marvin Jones.

Trevor has thrown some bad picks and those end zone ones are REALLY bad. But my god, imagine throwing to Zay and Marvin Jones all game on the outside.

Yup and Shipley is right here. You'd be hard pressed to find another team who he didn't list. Also you see that bomb and catch to DJ Moore today? What a beauty.
https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...3643397121

He also cost them the game with his unsportsman like penatly

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Yup and Shipley is right here. You'd be hard pressed to find another team who he didn't list. Also you see that bomb and catch to DJ Moore today? What a beauty.
https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...3643397121

He also cost them the game with his unsportsman like penatly

Because of a stupid rule that shouldn't be a rule, but he really didn't lose them the game, he gave them the chance to win it. That Kicker has to make his kicks and he missed both of them. Had another chance in OT and missed a 32 yarder.

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The majority of these comments are fatalism or projection or both in my opinion.  I don’t get “mentally weak” from Trevor anytime he’s at the podium.

I don't care how he looks on the podium. I care how he looks in the games.

You would detect mental weakness from him at the podium or perhaps body language on the field, but even then it’s just a guess as you’re not in his head.  He can be playing poorly and not be mentally weak. Those two things don’t necessarily correlate.

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The amount of good from Trevor out weighs the bad, but this team isn't good enough to overcome the few mistakes he makes which magnifies them tenfold.

I don't know if it does anymore. I used to think that, but I'm seeing major regression. He was not bad at all in the final game last year and then in the first 3 games this year, but he has regressed badly.

I don't know if it does anymore. I used to think that, but I'm seeing major regression. He was not bad at all in the final game last year and then in the first 3 games this year, but he has regressed badly.

I don't think so. Hes been bad in 3 games this year. Today, Eagles and texans. He was average to good in the others.

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Who is making excuses for Josh Allen?

Lawrence isn't improving. He's making the same boneheaded mistakes. He's not mentally strong and I don't know if he will be able to snap out of it. We'll have plenty of time to figure it out though because I'm not sold on any of the quarterbacks coming out.

Unless you know him personally, how can you even say this?

I don't think so. Hes been bad in 3 games this year. Today, Eagles and texans. He was average to good in the others.

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Unless you know him personally, how can you even say this?

The majority of these comments are fatalism or projection or both in my opinion.  I don’t get “mentally weak” from Trevor anytime he’s at the podium.

The problem is he hasn't ever really struggled and lost like this. On the field he is mentally weak. Look at the scripted plays and after half time. He looks better then and the offense is successful but as soon as those end, he can't move the ball. He is worried about every throw because he has been airmailing them. So now he is short arming stuff behind WRs. He has frankly even stopped looking at WRs at times and focusing too much on TEs. After he overthrows it or turns the ball over, look at the expression and body language he has.

It is bothering him greatly and his trying to not make mistakes is making him hold the ball longer and he is staring down WRs more than he did before. Who knows if it's fixable but the coaches have got to get him to not be scared.

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I don't care how he looks on the podium. I care how he looks in the games.

You would detect mental weakness from him at the podium or perhaps body language on the field, but even then it’s just a guess as you’re not in his head.  He can be playing poorly and not be mentally weak. Those two things don’t necessarily correlate.

You can say the right things at the podium because you know the mistakes you make but that doesn't make you mentally tough. He doesn't handle the pressure well on the field and you can see he is scared to throw the ball.

Remember when he was very confident in his arm and just let it rip to the other team? He is so afraid of that happening that he won't throw the ball.

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This is one of the most honest discussions of the issues with Lawrence. Starts at 1:18:37

https://youtu.be/mgZxwJOURO8

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It’s amazing the people who mocked me weeks ago are now singing the same tune about Trevor Darnold

I’m just sipping tea

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This is one of the most honest discussions of the issues with Lawrence. Starts at 1:18:37

https://youtu.be/mgZxwJOURO8

And they're absolutely spot on.

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This is one of the most honest discussions of the issues with Lawrence. Starts at 1:18:37

https://youtu.be/mgZxwJOURO8

And they're absolutely spot on.

From the video : “they’re not terrible and neither is Trevor Lawrence” sounds a lot like the majority of the people here who want to keep lying to themselves

YouTube scouts who called Lawrence generational pre-draft choosing to believe that their eyes are lying to them, news at 10

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