And they're absolutely spot on.

From the video : “they’re not terrible and neither is Trevor Lawrence” sounds a lot like the majority of the people here who want to keep lying to themselves

YouTube scouts who called Lawrence generational pre-draft choosing to believe that their eyes are lying to them, news at 10

What are you talking about? They were comparing him to the 2021 class with that comment.

All they said is that he probably good enough to be a starter in the NFL, which is probably true. The question now can he minimize his accuracy and bone headed plays.

He is currently playing a C level QB right now. The issue is that some play/drives are A level and some plays/drives are F level so it averages out to C level. 

They even said his ceiling is probably Matt Ryan, but they make no qualms that he is no where near that and he has a ways to go to get there.

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From the video : “they’re not terrible and neither is Trevor Lawrence” sounds a lot like the majority of the people here who want to keep lying to themselves

YouTube scouts who called Lawrence generational pre-draft choosing to believe that their eyes are lying to them, news at 10

What are you talking about? They were comparing him to the 2021 class with that comment.

All they said is that he probably good enough to be a starter in the NFL, which is probably true. The question now can he minimize his accuracy and bone headed plays.

He is currently playing a C level QB right now. The issue is that some play/drives are A level and some plays/drives are F level so it averages out to C level. 

They even said his ceiling is probably Matt Ryan, but they make no qualms that he is no where near that and he has a ways to go to get there.

Don't even waste your time responding to that idiot. He's a previously banned, multiple account troll user.

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What are you talking about? They were comparing him to the 2021 class with that comment.

All they said is that he probably good enough to be a starter in the NFL, which is probably true. The question now can he minimize his accuracy and bone headed plays.

He is currently playing a C level QB right now. The issue is that some play/drives are A level and some plays/drives are F level so it averages out to C level. 

They even said his ceiling is probably Matt Ryan, but they make no qualms that he is no where near that and he has a ways to go to get there.

Don't even waste your time responding to that idiot. He's a previously banned, multiple account troll user.

Instead of assuming and accusing a newb of being a troll why don’t you just get the facts and ask a mod or site owner if this IP has had multiple banned accounts and if not, respectfully, please [BLEEP]

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Don't even waste your time responding to that idiot. He's a previously banned, multiple account troll user.

Instead of assuming and accusing a newb of being a troll why don’t you just get the facts and ask a mod or site owner if this IP has had multiple banned accounts and if not, respectfully, please [BLEEP]

Bye bye CJB, again..

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

One of the biggest concerns is Trevor don't learn from his mistakes, he's making the same mistakes over and over. This isn't his 10th, 15th, or even 20th it was he's 25th game. He has to start learning from his mistakes.

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He needs to get better. But again, he's not getting much help in crunch time.

Takes the lead against Indy. Defense lets up a drive.

Takes the lead late against Denver, Defense immediately allows a 49 yard bomb by Russ into FG range at minimum and then becomes swiss cheese, again. Trevor also needs to be the man and march back down the field and take the lead again after that, he had time. But still.

The TD pass to Engram was beautiful. He still flashes more than any QB we've ever had, but no denying he needs to get better. He also needs a true #1 WR out there too

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A key play in the game was that drop by engram when holding was called . It would have been 14-0 with confidence riding high.

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One of the biggest concerns is Trevor don't learn from his mistakes, he's making the same mistakes over and over.  This isn't his 10th, 15th, or even 20th it was he's 25th game.  He has to start learning from his mistakes.

This is my biggest concern as well. Manning threw a lot of picks, but he was not making the same mistakes by year 2.

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He is also the youngest starting QB in the NFL and even younger than rookies that came in this year (Kenny Pickett, Bailey Zappe, Desmond Ridder, Malik Willis are all older than him, as well as all other relevant young QBs expect Trey Lance)

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He is also the youngest starting QB in the NFL and even younger than rookies that came in this year (Kenny Pickett, Bailey Zappe, Desmond Ridder, Malik Willis are all older than him, as well as all other relevant young QBs expect Trey Lance)

I think is an often very forgotten piece of information.

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I need someone to explain to me how you can regress but be better in every statistical category then you were the year before.

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He is also the youngest starting QB in the NFL and even younger than rookies that came in this year (Kenny Pickett, Bailey Zappe, Desmond Ridder, Malik Willis are all older than him, as well as all other relevant young QBs expect Trey Lance)

I think is an often very forgotten piece of information.

Indeed. We need to let him keep developing.

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Don't even waste your time responding to that idiot. He's a previously banned, multiple account troll user.

Instead of assuming and accusing a newb of being a troll why don’t you just get the facts and ask a mod or site owner if this IP has had multiple banned accounts and if not, respectfully, please [BLEEP]

Good riddance CJB

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I need someone to explain to me how you can regress but be better in every statistical category then you were the year before.

This is my two cents but take it for what it’s worth. 

Last year, Trevor had an arguably worst supporting cast on offense. Yet, I saw him make throws that were truly elite throws. Best example I can think of is the end zone throw to Chark against the cardinals. The deep throw to Marvin Jones against the Dolphins. And so on. 

And in fact, we saw him make a throw like that to Zay Jones in the chargers game, on the run. A zip. 

Maybe it’s just me, but I’m not seeing those throws lately. You can make a case for the TD to engram yesterday, and it was indeed a good one. 

But I haven’t been seeing many “wow” plays that a first overall pick should be generating. I’m seeing poor decision making too. And correct me if I am wrong, but did Trevor throw an end zone picks last year? 

At this point, we’re stuck with him rest of this year and possibly next. I’m hoping it gets better but I’m not convinced it will.

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I need someone to explain to me how you can regress but be better in every statistical category then you were the year before.

This isn't the place for reasoned appraisal, this is the place for bibs. We demand FULL CONSISTENCY!

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Instead of assuming and accusing a newb of being a troll why don’t you just get the facts and ask a mod or site owner if this IP has had multiple banned accounts and if not, respectfully, please [BLEEP]

Good riddance CJB

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I need someone to explain to me how you can regress but be better in every statistical category then you were the year before.

This is my two cents but take it for what it’s worth. 

Last year, Trevor had an arguably worst supporting cast on offense. Yet, I saw him make throws that were truly elite throws. Best example I can think of is the end zone throw to Chark against the cardinals. The deep throw to Marvin Jones against the Dolphins. And so on. 

And in fact, we saw him make a throw like that to Zay Jones in the chargers game, on the run. A zip. 

Maybe it’s just me, but I’m not seeing those throws lately. You can make a case for the TD to engram yesterday, and it was indeed a good one. 

But I haven’t been seeing many “wow” plays that a first overall pick should be generating. I’m seeing poor decision making too. And correct me if I am wrong, but did Trevor throw an end zone picks last year? 

At this point, we’re stuck with him rest of this year and possibly next. I’m hoping it gets better but I’m not convinced it will.

It's more like he's stuck with us.

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And looking at Justin Fields today against the Cowboys, he’s doing zero.
Bad draft for the qb’s that year

he's quite the hurdler, tho

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I might have to take a couple week hiatus from the board after reading the past couple pages lol

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Josh Allen threw a terrible goal line INT last night as well as another really bad one. Both in the 4th quarter. The difference is Allen has been able to put out more good than bad and the defense bails him out on the bad.

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https://youtu.be/CQYi7ULANYs

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Nominally, if you asked people which of these passers was the closest to looking like a franchise quarterback, Lawrence would be the most common answer. It's fair to write off last season as an Urban Meyer-riddled fever dream. And at his best, Lawrence looks like the total package. Nobody else in this class has his combination of arm strength, physical tools and pocket presence.
And yet, when you account for the lofty expectations surrounding Lawrence as arguably the best college quarterback prospect since Andrew Luck in 2012, I'm not sure he is any closer to what he was supposed to be than the other guys on this list. The strides he was supposed to take with a better coach and a revamped receiving corps haven't come this season, and it has cost the Jaguars games.

Jacksonville has lost five straight after a 2-1 start. Lawrence looked solid to begin the season, but he has not been on the right side of the ledger for the Jaguars during this slide. His minus-9.3% completion percentage over expectation (CPOE) over that stretch is the second worst in the league, behind only Baker Mayfield's. His accuracy isn't where it should be.
Drops have played a meaningful role, since Jacksonville's receivers have dropped nearly 7% of his passes during the losing streak, but they don't explain the whole story. More than 21% of Lawrence's passes over the past five games have been off-target, the third-worst mark in football. ESPN's adjusted completion percentage metric accounts for drops and the depth of each pass; the only starters with a less impressive adjusted completion percentage over the past five weeks are Marcus Mariota and Justin Fields.
It would be easy to imagine a scenario in which Lawrence was making mistakes under pressure, or the offense wasn't giving him the solutions he wants, and those things do happen at times. In reality, though, these problems are popping up in comfortable situations. When he has been unpressured over the past five games, he ranks 27th in QBR, 32nd in CPOE and 31st in off-target rate.

All of this would be forgivable if it weren't for what Lawrence has done in the red zone. No quarterback has hurt his team's chances more significantly inside the 20 this season. The Jacksonville offense ranks sixth in the NFL in expected points added (EPA) per play outside of the red zone, but once it gets inside the 20, it drops all the way to 30th in the same category.
Lawrence has thrown three red zone interceptions over that stretch, including one against the Broncos in London on Sunday. No other quarterback has more than one red zone pick over that stretch. Each pass has been a terrible decision, with throws into windows on the sideline that simply did not exist. Lawrence's picks against the Texans and Broncos were both similar, as they came on sprint-outs in which he didn't have anywhere to put the football and threw it anyway. To do that on first-and-goal from the 1-yard line -- as Lawrence did Sunday -- is just egregious.
Lawrence has 14 incompletions over the past five games on passes that had an expected completion percentage of 80% or more, per NFL Next Gen Stats. Some of these are drops (most notably in the Texans game), but many of them are just poorly placed passes on throws at or around the line of scrimmage. Only one came Sunday, a screen to JaMycal Hasty that seemed set to turn into a big play, only for the pass to be overthrown in the process of the Broncos reacting to the screen.

Is it fair to worry whether this is going to continue to be a concern for Lawrence? While he was an elite quarterback prospect by just about any measure, accuracy wasn't his strongest suit at Clemson. By the same adjusted completion percentage metric, he ranked 27th in the nation between 2018 and 2020; good, certainly, but behind such passers as Fields, Zach Wilson and Jalen Hurts. The Jaguars have players who can create after the catch, so Lawrence is leaving opportunities on the table by missing these short throws.
The good news for the Jags, at least relative to the competition, is that Lawrence had the best stretch of the season for any of these second-year quarterbacks. Over that 2-1 start, his 72.9 QBR was the league's sixth-best mark. He completed more than 69% of his passes, posted a positive CPOE and tossed six touchdown passes against one pick. Any of the teams with the passers on this list would trade away a draft pick next week if they could guarantee that sort of three-game stretch from their quarterback in the weeks to come.

Relative to these other passers, exhibiting some semblance of a professional ceiling is a promising sign for Lawrence. Compared to his pre-draft expectations, though, he is still struggling to match up. It's too early to drastically recalibrate what we think he is capable of doing at the NFL level, but for a signal-caller who seemed to be a plug-and-play superstar by the end of his freshman season at Clemson, he clearly is further from stardom than it seemed.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_...mills-next

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https://www.nfl.com/news/zach-wilson-s-m...ture-as-je

Man I wish we drafted Wilson over Trevor /sarcasm

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