That is just an insane stat broken today.  I hope this is the start of the culture change for the long term.

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They've also only won 183 games in history..... wierd correlation.

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I believe the stat was 0-162 and I just don’t believe that

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I believe the stat was 0-162 and I just don’t believe that

They said since 2000, and I do believe it in that timeframe.

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Peyton must store oxygen in that forehead of his. No way I'd still be alive after all that choking.

 

That is just an insane stat broken today.  I hope this is the start of the culture change for the long term.

It's not about culture, it's about talent.

I've said it many times, and people here have wanted to argue with me about it, but this team has never had a true franchise QB before now, and that stat shows it.

For almost thirty years the Jags were going to lose it they needed to get a TD in the final minute of a game, because they had mid tier QBs at best who would fold under the pressure of having to make a play. Right now we have a fledgling elite QB developing. With a bit more talent around him you'll start to see wins like yesterday's regularly around here.

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That is just an insane stat broken today.  I hope this is the start of the culture change for the long term.

It's not about culture, it's about talent.

I've said it many times, and people here have wanted to argue with me about it, but this team has never had a true franchise QB before now, and that stat shows it.

For almost thirty years the Jags were going to lose it they needed to get a TD in the final minute of a game, because they had mid tier QBs at best who would fold under the pressure of having to make a play. Right now we have a fledgling elite QB developing. With a bit more talent around him you'll start to see wins like yesterday's regularly around here.

So NOT True. I'd "argue" that this team (our team) hasn't had multiple franchise QBs, but it depends on how you label an QB as an franchise QB. Mark Brunell was definately the face of this franchise during his playing time and I NEVER witnessed him "folding".

Ask the Broncos.

NH3...

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It's not about culture, it's about talent.

I've said it many times, and people here have wanted to argue with me about it, but this team has never had a true franchise QB before now, and that stat shows it.

For almost thirty years the Jags were going to lose it they needed to get a TD in the final minute of a game, because they had mid tier QBs at best who would fold under the pressure of having to make a play. Right now we have a fledgling elite QB developing. With a bit more talent around him you'll start to see wins like yesterday's regularly around here.

So NOT True. I'd "argue" that this team (our team) hasn't had multiple franchise QBs, but it depends on how you label an QB as an franchise QB. Mark Brunell was definately the face of this franchise during his playing time and I NEVER witnessed him "folding".

Ask the Broncos.

NH3...

We all loved Brunell. He wasn't a true franchise QB.

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So NOT True. I'd "argue" that this team (our team) hasn't had multiple franchise QBs, but it depends on how you label an QB as an franchise QB. Mark Brunell was definately the face of this franchise during his playing time and I NEVER witnessed him "folding".

Ask the Broncos.

NH3...

We all loved Brunell. He wasn't a true franchise QB.

Define "franchise" QB. This team hasn't had nowhere near the level of consistency that Brunell instilled offensively for this team. Hell, even after they shipped him off to Joe Gibbs in Washington he managed to get them back into the play-off's at the "over the hill" point of his career.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

We all loved Brunell. He wasn't a true franchise QB.

Define "franchise" QB. This team hasn't had nowhere near the level of consistency that Brunell instilled offensively for this team. Hell, even after they shipped him off to Joe Gibbs in Washington he managed to get them back into the play-off's at the "over the hill" point of his career.

A true franchise QB is the one you can count on to take control in a game and do what it takes to win in high pressure situations. not folding like a lawn chair and throwing interceptions to Samari Rolle.

I know, I know, Brunell once led a fabulous (not two minute drill) drive against the broncos in the playoffs. Did you know he followed that up by throwing a ball over them there mountains?

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Define "franchise" QB. This team hasn't had nowhere near the level of consistency that Brunell instilled offensively for this team. Hell, even after they shipped him off to Joe Gibbs in Washington he managed to get them back into the play-off's at the "over the hill" point of his career.

A true franchise QB is the one you can count on to take control in a game and do what it takes to win in high pressure situations. not folding like a lawn chair and throwing interceptions to Samari Rolle.

I know, I know, Brunell once led a fabulous (not two minute drill) drive against the broncos in the playoffs. Did you know he followed that up by throwing a ball over them there mountains?

Nobody is saying Brunell should be absolved from his past mistakes nor should he be placed on a pedestal. However, Lawrence hasn't even reached his 30th career start yet, let alone, put up a winning record. It's a little too early to be placing him on a pedestal or anointing him with teal colored holy oil.

Great performances so far this year. For sure. Progressively showing he's capable of learning and fixing his issues. For sure. Now, what's the next step? The most important game is the next one. We'll see if he can keep it going. I just think it's odd that we'll stand here and compare two different QB's from two different era's, roughly, 20 - 30 years apart from each other.

What Brunell did was exceptional throughout his career here. What Lawrence has done this year and yesterday? Pretty damn exceptional as well. Future looks like bright. Just like it did back in 1996. Cheers man!

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

A true franchise QB is the one you can count on to take control in a game and do what it takes to win in high pressure situations. not folding like a lawn chair and throwing interceptions to Samari Rolle.

I know, I know, Brunell once led a fabulous (not two minute drill) drive against the broncos in the playoffs. Did you know he followed that up by throwing a ball over them there mountains?

Nobody is saying Brunell should be absolved from his past mistakes nor should he be placed on a pedestal. However, Lawrence hasn't even reached his 30th career start yet, let alone, put up a winning record. It's a little too early to be placing him on a pedestal or anointing him with teal colored holy oil.

Great performances so far this year. For sure. Progressively showing he's capable of learning and fixing his issues. For sure. Now, what's the next step? The most important game is the next one. We'll see if he can keep it going. I just think it's odd that we'll stand here and compare two different QB's from two different era's, roughly, 20 - 30 years apart from each other.

What Brunell did was exceptional throughout his career here. What Lawrence has done this year and yesterday? Pretty damn exceptional as well. Future looks like bright. Just like it did back in 1996. Cheers man!

Wins aren't a QB stat. The teams surrounding him had tons of all stars and multiple hall of fame level players. Given the quality of players surrounding him he looked like the guy holding the team back, not a guy making success happen.

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Nobody is saying Brunell should be absolved from his past mistakes nor should he be placed on a pedestal. However, Lawrence hasn't even reached his 30th career start yet, let alone, put up a winning record. It's a little too early to be placing him on a pedestal or anointing him with teal colored holy oil.

Great performances so far this year. For sure. Progressively showing he's capable of learning and fixing his issues. For sure. Now, what's the next step? The most important game is the next one. We'll see if he can keep it going. I just think it's odd that we'll stand here and compare two different QB's from two different era's, roughly, 20 - 30 years apart from each other.

What Brunell did was exceptional throughout his career here. What Lawrence has done this year and yesterday? Pretty damn exceptional as well. Future looks like bright. Just like it did back in 1996. Cheers man!

Wins aren't a QB stat. The teams surrounding him had tons of all stars and multiple hall of fame level players. Given the quality of players surrounding him he looked like the guy holding the team back, not a guy making success happen.

Okay. That's fair. So, now let's wait and see if Lawrence can get this team into a play off position to where we can judge him as well. Cheers again!

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

While it's interesting that they've never done that before it's kind of a stupid statistic. I would be interested to see other teams' winning percentage in those cases, I can't imagine anyone has one that is very high. Down a touchdown or more in the last minute isn't something you just overcome all the time.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

While it's interesting that they've never done that before it's kind of a stupid statistic. I would be interested to see other teams' winning percentage in those cases, I can't imagine anyone has one that is very high. Down a touchdown or more in the last minute isn't something you just overcome all the time.

So getting the ball with three or four minutes left down seven isn't overcome-able? It's not like the drive has to start with less than a minute left, just that the team wins after being down by at least seven with under a minute left.

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While it's interesting that they've never done that before it's kind of a stupid statistic. I would be interested to see other teams' winning percentage in those cases, I can't imagine anyone has one that is very high. Down a touchdown or more in the last minute isn't something you just overcome all the time.

So getting the ball with three or four minutes left down seven isn't overcome-able? It's not like the drive has to start with less than a minute left, just that the team wins after being down by at least seven with under a minute left.

Those situations can be overcame. It's just how often does that really happen? What are the probabilities of that happening? Not to [BLEEP] on the statistic but I find it a little odd and questionable as well since it goes back to 2000? Didn't Garrard beat the tinhorns at home with a hailmary? Were we down by 6 or something?

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

So getting the ball with three or four minutes left down seven isn't overcome-able? It's not like the drive has to start with less than a minute left, just that the team wins after being down by at least seven with under a minute left.

Those situations can be overcame. It's just how often does that really happen? What are the probabilities of that happening? Not to [BLEEP] on the statistic but I find it a little odd and questionable as well since it goes back to 2000? Didn't Garrard beat the tinhorns at home with a hailmary? Were we down by 6 or something?

They were tied when that play happened, not trailing, so Garrard wasn't feeling the kind of pressure that something had to be done that led to him cracking on so many other occasions.

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Those situations can be overcame. It's just how often does that really happen? What are the probabilities of that happening? Not to [BLEEP] on the statistic but I find it a little odd and questionable as well since it goes back to 2000? Didn't Garrard beat the tinhorns at home with a hailmary? Were we down by 6 or something?

They were tied when that play happened, not trailing, so Garrard wasn't feeling the kind of pressure that something had to be done that led to him cracking on so many other occasions.

Mannnnnn, you're brutal with our history of QB's. LOL. Sheeeeesh. I'll take those play off runs any day over those garbage Gus days. 

Anyway, I think Lawrence is the guy that can get us into the play-off's. Once he gets us there though we'll just have to see if he excels or folds. Hopefully he's capable of getting us there early in his career. To workout the kinks, etc.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

They were tied when that play happened, not trailing, so Garrard wasn't feeling the kind of pressure that something had to be done that led to him cracking on so many other occasions.

Mannnnnn, you're brutal with our history of QB's. LOL. Sheeeeesh. I'll take those play off runs any day over those garbage Gus days. 

Anyway, I think Lawrence is the guy that can get us into the play-off's. Once he gets us there though we'll just have to see if he excels or folds. Hopefully he's capable of getting us there early in his career. To workout the kinks, etc.

Despite fans' varying definitions of franchise QB (more on that in a minute) the one thing that is undoubtedly clear is that Lawrence is a more talented player than any QB we've had in Jax to this point.
And that has been apparent for most of us since week of 5 last season or sooner. He does things his predecessors could not do and now he's doing them with some consistency. 

A "franchise QB" was once defined by an ESPN analyst in the 90's (shortly after the tag was implemented) as a player you would use the franchise tag on. His on-air cohort argued that it was a player who was both essential to the team to win games and also the face of the franchise. 

Take your pick. 

Trevor has earned that moniker either way you dice it up.

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They were tied when that play happened, not trailing, so Garrard wasn't feeling the kind of pressure that something had to be done that led to him cracking on so many other occasions.

Mannnnnn, you're brutal with our history of QB's. LOL. Sheeeeesh. I'll take those play off runs any day over those garbage Gus days. 

Anyway, I think Lawrence is the guy that can get us into the play-off's. Once he gets us there though we'll just have to see if he excels or folds. Hopefully he's capable of getting us there early in his career. To workout the kinks, etc.

Just saying it like I see it.

For decades we've had QBs who, when it was a situation that they had to make a play, the best they could do was scramble for field goal position.

With Trevor we've seen him repeatedly just this year pull out big drives in the fourth quarter, several times going to waste with the defense folding like a cheap suit in the final minutes. He's clearly a different QB than what we've had, and he's gotten more bad evaluation from fans than is reasonable.

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So NOT True. I'd "argue" that this team (our team) hasn't had multiple franchise QBs, but it depends on how you label an QB as an franchise QB. Mark Brunell was definately the face of this franchise during his playing time and I NEVER witnessed him "folding".

Ask the Broncos.

NH3...

We all loved Brunell. He wasn't a true franchise QB.

Say what? Of course he was and this comes from someone who thinks he shouldn't have been inducted into The Pride. He'll also never get in to the HOF but you don't have to be an all time great player to be a franchise QB.

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