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Trevor Lawrence: Franchise QB (TL Discussion, Merged Threads)
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(12-21-2022, 05:50 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Up to 7. I'd put him at 6 right now over Tua but there isn't a QB in the league I'd trade him for. Allen, Mahomes, none of them. Completely agree. Would not trade him for anyone at this point and I get that might sound crazy to some with Allen, Mahomes and Burrow out there. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (12-21-2022, 06:05 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:He’s our guy and I’m so glad he’s here.(12-21-2022, 05:50 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Up to 7. I'd put him at 6 right now over Tua but there isn't a QB in the league I'd trade him for. Allen, Mahomes, none of them. With that said, taking emotion out of it, I would 100% trade him for Mahomes. Mahomes is an alien.
(12-21-2022, 06:05 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:(12-21-2022, 05:50 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Up to 7. I'd put him at 6 right now over Tua but there isn't a QB in the league I'd trade him for. Allen, Mahomes, none of them. I agree, too, and part of the reason is just because I'm attached to him because he's a Jaguar. But the other reason is, he's already really good and we don't know how good he's going to get. We have no idea where the ceiling is. (12-21-2022, 09:56 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Exactly thank you. And you'd be wrong and that's your fault for stat watching. It always went beyond what the numbers said with Trevor last year and some of us could see that. I guess many couldn't. (12-21-2022, 06:10 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:(12-21-2022, 06:05 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: Completely agree. Would not trade him for anyone at this point and I get that might sound crazy to some with Allen, Mahomes and Burrow out there.He’s our guy and I’m so glad he’s here. Mahomes is the only QB I'd trade Lawrence for and even then, I'd have to think long and hard about it. Still wouldn't be an easy decision for me.
12-21-2022, 06:49 PM
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(12-21-2022, 06:45 PM)Eric1 Wrote:Same. It’s just Mahomes.(12-21-2022, 09:56 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Exactly thank you. We all have an emotional attachment to Trevor. He’s our guy. From a pure football standpoint, there’s not a better player in the NFL than Mahomes. I’m very glad we have Trevor though and look forward to winning the AFC South every year! We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
12-21-2022, 07:00 PM
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(12-21-2022, 06:49 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:Meh, emotions have nothing to do with it. Trev has the traits to be as good or better than any of them and he is already starting to show the clutch like he had in college or even better as he is starting to mature at the NFL level. Josh Allen is the best QB in the league imo but I wouldn't do it(12-21-2022, 06:45 PM)Eric1 Wrote: And you'd be wrong and that's your fault for stat watching. It always went beyond what the numbers said with Trevor last year and some of us could see that. I guess many couldn't.Same. It’s just Mahomes. (12-21-2022, 05:49 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: He’s everything he should have been last year. He showed us he was headed here last year but he was in a historically horrible situation as a rookie. He just needed time to get comfortable in a functional offense. It was that simple. And it has been that way for soooo many QBs during their first 2 or 3 years in the NFL. Which made it even easier to feel confident in him finding consistency in year 2. Especially when we learned of the Pederson hire. (12-21-2022, 06:05 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:Not crazy at all. He's doing it with a cast of receivers that were 2nd and 3rd string at best with their previous stops and an underachieving Engram.(12-21-2022, 05:50 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Up to 7. I'd put him at 6 right now over Tua but there isn't a QB in the league I'd trade him for. Allen, Mahomes, none of them. Imagine what happens when he's given a Kelce, Hill, Diggs or Chase? He'll be a [BLEEP] monster. Same with more time in the pocket. His potential is off the charts now. Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king." (12-21-2022, 07:00 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:I’m not going to have this debate but it’s 100% emotional.(12-21-2022, 06:49 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: Same. It’s just Mahomes.Meh, emotions have nothing to do with it. Trev has the traits to be as good or better than any of them and he is already starting to show the clutch like he had in college or even better as he is starting to mature at the NFL level. Josh Allen is the best QB in the league imo but I wouldn't do it Glad to have Trevor! We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(12-21-2022, 07:35 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:It's not emotional when you're talking about a QB as talented as any other QB in this league. He's only 23 and he's already showing he's at his best when the pressure is on. His ceiling is as high as Allen, Mahomes, and Burrow. I didn't say I would take him over prime Brady, I said i wouldnt take any QB in the league right now over him, the sky is the limit.(12-21-2022, 07:00 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Meh, emotions have nothing to do with it. Trev has the traits to be as good or better than any of them and he is already starting to show the clutch like he had in college or even better as he is starting to mature at the NFL level. Josh Allen is the best QB in the league imo but I wouldn't do itI’m not going to have this debate but it’s 100% emotional. The clutch trait is the best trait to have imo. (12-21-2022, 10:24 AM)carp8dm Wrote: Bros... Ya'll are crazy...(emphasis added) Per Bill Walsh, most NFL coaches don't know how to identify or develop QBs properly. If that's true, then I am in good company when it comes to the QB position, even though it would insult those coaches to group me with them. To that end, the highlighted statement above begs inquiry. The 2000s have been dominated by two coaches: Bill Belichick and Andy Reid. Both are first ballot Hall of Fame coaches without question. They have dominated the NFL during this time because thay have had QBs who, along with Belichick and Reid, are virtually guaranteed enshrinement into Canton once their football careers are over. My question is these two Hall of Fame Caliber coaches had two of the all time great QBs under their control as rookies, but neither Belichick nor Reid started Brady or Mahomes for most, if not all of their rookie seasons. Why not? Why would two coaches who are two of the best ever at their positions keep superior QB talents in the bench the first year in their QBs careers? Did they have less of an interest in playing Hall of fame talent at the QB position? Did they NOT want to maximize the winning ib 2000 and 2017, respectively? Were they somehow punishing Brady and Mahomes? Were they followiling some sort of externally imposed mandate regarding the playing of superior talent? "Thrill me with your acumen." Now before you or anyone else go there, I am the first to say I am nowhere NEAR the same galaxy as Belichick or Reid in terms of football knowledge and I make no assertion otherwise. But I'm curious how defenses of young QBs in Leftwich, Gabbert and Bortles who wound up being not so successful negates the reality of the overwhelming majority of Hall of Fame QBs from the 1970s on the league has seen. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
12-21-2022, 08:02 PM
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(12-21-2022, 12:38 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:(12-20-2022, 11:28 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: First of all, I called people "Nut huggers" because people were openly defending terrible plays like nothing was his fault. Trying to make any excuse in the world for him, even on interceptions where he threw it directly to a DB with no WR around somehow that was on the WR/Meyer... it got old Cmon man. Stop making crap up to fit your narrow narrative. Many people including critics were questing Lawrence right after that Bronco game. You keep trying to pound your chest to be proud that your right you are blinded to the facts. Oh btw the stats also prove it. After the Bronco game in week 8 Lawrence was looking very shaky. Lets look at the actual facts. After week 8 Lawrence: 10 TDs, 6 ints, while having games with completion percentages in the 40's and 50's multiple times. If you want to pretend he was always all that and there was no cause for concern the facts show otherwise. He has turned it around but the first half of this season was lackluster by any measure.
12-21-2022, 08:12 PM
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Some people: “Rabble rabble rabble, he’s trash” ad nauseum
Same people: “you couldn’t have known, these victory laps are boring, can’t we move on?” With all due respect, get the [BLEEP] outta here with that [BLEEP] and take your L. If you’re gonna throw a temper tantrum about something you’re wrong on, learn to accept and deal with the blowback that’s inevitably coming. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (12-21-2022, 08:02 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote:(12-21-2022, 12:38 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Imma break this down for you: Yea completion %'s in the 70's, 80's and even 90's is certainly lackluster lolololol (12-21-2022, 08:02 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote:(12-21-2022, 12:38 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Imma break this down for you: But, and sorry to bring up the past, I remember a number of people say that we were 8 weeks into a new coaching staff, a new O system, a new O playbook, give him time to learn it and for Doug and Trevor to get settled and used to working with each other. This was the problem, people gave him 1 or 2 games and were ready to write him off as he didn't put up insane numbers. This is basically his rookie season after the dumpster fire of last year. He played great against the Chargers and Colts and the whole team had a bad run of form but the way they have turned it around is impressive and it's Lawrence leading this turnaround. He's been incredible and is playing aswell as any QB in the league. Is that good enough yet? (12-21-2022, 08:20 PM)Eric1 Wrote:(12-21-2022, 08:02 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: Cmon man. Stop making crap up to fit your narrow narrative. Many people including critics were questing Lawrence right after that Bronco game. You keep trying to pound your chest to be proud that your right you are blinded to the facts. Oh btw the stats also prove it. Thats my point. He was very bipolar. He had 1 game in the 40's, and 2 games in the 50's.
12-21-2022, 08:35 PM
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(12-21-2022, 08:32 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote:You mean before the Broncos game.(12-21-2022, 08:20 PM)Eric1 Wrote: Yea completion %'s in the 70's, 80's and even 90's is certainly lackluster lolololol After the Broncos game, he’s been pretty much lights out with his lowest % being 55, numerous in the 70s and one in the 80s. With 14 touchdowns and 1 interception. So not sure what you’re talking about when you say after the Broncos game. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
In todays NFL there’s Mahomes and then the next cut.
Allen Burrows Lawrence Herbert. (I don’t think he’s here, but many do) You can make a case for any order of the second tier, personally I’d take Trevor over anyone in the second cut. But that’s the top 5 guys to build your team around. (12-21-2022, 08:47 PM)NoShoes Wrote: In todays NFL there’s Mahomes and then the next cut. At this point of his career, I am thrilled beyond measure that Trevor Lawrence is in this grouping. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
Here’s a cool article on Trevor.
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2022/12/21...rs-star-qb Sorry if it’s been posted already. |
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