"He sucks" Never said that
"I have no faith" - Concerning the 2022 season I wasn't expecting much and neither were you. I'd bet less than 1% of this msg board expected a playoff run. 
"He can't throw a football consistently" - Accuracy issues have been a problem for the mass majority of his time as a jaguar specifically high throws.. I could probably make a 15 minute compliation for you if I had game pass. 
"Where are the t law nut huggers at" I believe I said this during a game thread whilst he was in the midst of a 5 turnover game where he looked like a lost puppy. 
"He hasnt had flashes" His rookie season was abysmal and that isn't an opinion, just a fact. Making 2 or 3 highlight throws in 17 games dosen't consistute a "Flash" in my opinion. Look to the Raiders game this year (a year after I said that) if you want to see what I deem a "Flash". 
"His Accuracy is garbage" It most certainly was for the majority of his rookie year.

lies, lies and more lies

You're [BLEEP] pitifully bad at this, dude.

You should stop

I've said quite a few players suck, I don't think a quote of me saying "He Sucks" with 0 context really means anything. 

As far as the rest of these quotes as concerned, Lawrence was absolutely a pile of [BLEEP] in 2021. Not to say he wasn't in a bad situation, he wasn't making it any better on the field.

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Why would Allen sign such a contract if some other team will offer him the same amount of money without a built in "out clause?"

This is a theme I see with a lot of people on this board and it's sad. Some of you are so used to being let down by this team that you are willing to settle for players that are not what we need. I don't blame you, I really don't. We've whiffed on so many players in drafts and free agency over the years that it does feel like we are cursed sometimes, but we have to get out of this loser's mentality. Just because we haven't drafted great players at key positions in the past, doesn't mean that it will never happen. We need to look at what we do have (a franchise QB and a shutdown CB,) and realize brighter days are coming and if we wanna take that next step, we can't be afraid to take some risks. Great teams have pass rushers who are able to consistently get to the opposing QB. The Eagles had 4 guys who racked up double digit sacks and the Chiefs have one of the most feared interior pass rushers in the NFL in Chris Jones. We currently have no one even close to any of the pass rushers who reached the Superbowl. We desperately need this type of player and it's time to stop settling and actively try to find a player like this. 

Personally, I am more than ready to take some risks and see what we can get on the open market for Allen in a trade. I'm tired of settling. It pains me, because I say this as someone who had very high hopes for Josh Allen when we drafted him. I was wrong about him though. Sometimes players don't pan out like you expect them to. It's now time to move on and try something different. Maybe it'll work. Maybe it won't, but we can't be afraid to try. We finally have a franchise QB, so our window for success is limited to as long as Trevor is with us. We cannot waste any time at all. 

So you think it'll be easier to find an interior pass rushing threat than it would to find a good edge rusher who can get double digit sacks? I gotta disagree. It's much easier to find a great edge rusher than an interior pass rusher, (not that either is particularly easy though.) Guys like Chris Jones, Quinnen Williams, Daron Payne and Javon Hargrave don't come along every day. Those guys are unicorns. There were 19 guys in the NFL who reached double digit sacks in the NFL last season and only 4 were interior pass rushers. I'm not super optimistic about finding a great 3 technique in this draft, that would be any better than what we have in Travon Walker, if we would just move him back to his natural 3 technique/5 technique position. We're really wasting time trying to turn him into something he isn't (3-4 OLB/4-3 DE), when we could really benefit from playing him where he belonged from the beginning (3 technique/5 technique.)

The bolded is rich coming from the dude who "quit" on this team after they drafted Walker. We all know it's you The O-LineMatters. You type exactly like he does and sound just like him. Maybe myself, and multiple other users are wrong and you're his long lost twin or something, but I doubt it.

I've been constantly attacked and accused of being someone else ever since I got here. Some of you just seem openly hostile and quite frankly, not very nice people. I thought it would be fun to talk to other Jaguars fans, since I live out of state, but I'm starting to find out you can love the team, but dislike the fans. Any time I offer a take, I'm getting attacked. What's with you people? You seem so quick to cancel people who don't share your beliefs. I thought this would be an enjoyable experience, but it's not. I get enough stress at work and from my family, I don't need it in my free time. If this is what it's like being around other Jaguars fans, I'm glad I live out of state. 

I didn't come here for constant harassment. I came here to celebrate the team and possibly make some friends, but you guys would rather argue over things that don't matter and attack people. That's not the kind of people I want around me. Thanks for making this a miserable experience. I won't bother you anymore.

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The bolded is rich coming from the dude who "quit" on this team after they drafted Walker. We all know it's you The O-LineMatters. You type exactly like he does and sound just like him. Maybe myself, and multiple other users are wrong and you're his long lost twin or something, but I doubt it.

I've been constantly attacked and accused of being someone else ever since I got here. Some of you just seem openly hostile and quite frankly, not very nice people. I thought it would be fun to talk to other Jaguars fans, since I live out of state, but I'm starting to find out you can love the team, but dislike the fans. Any time I offer a take, I'm getting attacked. What's with you people? You seem so quick to cancel people who don't share your beliefs. I thought this would be an enjoyable experience, but it's not. I get enough stress at work and from my family, I don't need it in my free time. If this is what it's like being around other Jaguars fans, I'm glad I live out of state. 

I didn't come here for constant harassment. I came here to celebrate the team and possibly make some friends, but you guys would rather argue over things that don't matter and attack people. That's not the kind of people I want around me. Thanks for making this a miserable experience. I won't bother you anymore.

If you truly aren't him than I apologize. Nobody is trying to run you off, you sure seem to share a lot of similarities with him and he was liked around here. Would love if he was back because he brought discussion to the board. He just deserves some friendly jabs and rightfully needs to be served some crow for "quitting" on this franchise because of a draft pick.

But again, if you truly aren't him, my apologies.

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Why would Allen sign such a contract if some other team will offer him the same amount of money without a built in "out clause?"

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The exact same reason Christian Kirk did.  Big money. If he believes he'll earn it - he'll take the deal 
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DING DING DING

You put the out in the contract, but you also put in some guarantees or added signing bonus to convince them to do the deal. Give and take, all part of the dance.

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lies, lies and more lies

You're [BLEEP] pitifully bad at this, dude.

You should stop

I've said quite a few players suck, I don't think a quote of me saying "He Sucks" with 0 context really means anything. 

As far as the rest of these quotes as concerned, Lawrence was absolutely a pile of [BLEEP] in 2021. Not to say he wasn't in a bad situation, he wasn't making it any better on the field.

LOL

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lies, lies and more lies

You're [BLEEP] pitifully bad at this, dude.

You should stop

I've said quite a few players suck, I don't think a quote of me saying "He Sucks" with 0 context really means anything. 

As far as the rest of these quotes as concerned, Lawrence was absolutely a pile of [BLEEP] in 2021. Not to say he wasn't in a bad situation, he wasn't making it any better on the field.

You're so close! You can do it!

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lies, lies and more lies

You're [BLEEP] pitifully bad at this, dude.

You should stop

I've said quite a few players suck, I don't think a quote of me saying "He Sucks" with 0 context really means anything. 

As far as the rest of these quotes as concerned, Lawrence was absolutely a pile of [BLEEP] in 2021. Not to say he wasn't in a bad situation, he wasn't making it any better on the field.

It's not that hard to make a statement. Be wrong with your statement if it was premature or completely off base. Then own up to it and move on. 

I think a lot of us have been there and done that. Myself included. 

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I've said quite a few players suck, I don't think a quote of me saying "He Sucks" with 0 context really means anything. 

As far as the rest of these quotes as concerned, Lawrence was absolutely a pile of [BLEEP] in 2021. Not to say he wasn't in a bad situation, he wasn't making it any better on the field.

You're so close! You can do it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-xjW_ig1KI

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I never said he sucks. *shown proof to the contrary*
Oh that needs context?
The whole quote was he sucks bwaaaahaha

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I have been reading this string. Quite interesting, discussing whether a very good football player under contract is coming back next year to play for us. Then ChrisTitanBoy uses it to as an opportunity continue his negative campaign against our QB. Yea, is a really dead period right now until March 13th....

on the bright side I just reupped my season tickets for next year!

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

The bolded is rich coming from the dude who "quit" on this team after they drafted Walker. We all know it's you The O-LineMatters. You type exactly like he does and sound just like him. Maybe myself, and multiple other users are wrong and you're his long lost twin or something, but I doubt it.

I've been constantly attacked and accused of being someone else ever since I got here. Some of you just seem openly hostile and quite frankly, not very nice people. I thought it would be fun to talk to other Jaguars fans, since I live out of state, but I'm starting to find out you can love the team, but dislike the fans. Any time I offer a take, I'm getting attacked. What's with you people? You seem so quick to cancel people who don't share your beliefs. I thought this would be an enjoyable experience, but it's not. I get enough stress at work and from my family, I don't need it in my free time. If this is what it's like being around other Jaguars fans, I'm glad I live out of state. 

I didn't come here for constant harassment. I came here to celebrate the team and possibly make some friends, but you guys would rather argue over things that don't matter and attack people. That's not the kind of people I want around me. Thanks for making this a miserable experience. I won't bother you anymore.

Perhaps if you weren't telling us how sad a lot of the people on this board are or that a lot of us are stuck with a 'loser's mentality', you would get a more positive reaction to your posts.   Nothing fun about reading a post like that from you or anyone else.

Don't act as if you know us all so well, and you might find folks here would do the same for you.

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I have been reading this string. Quite interesting, discussing whether a very good football player under contract is coming back next year to play for us. Then ChrisTitanBoy uses it to as an opportunity continue his negative campaign against our QB.  Yea, is a really dead period right now until March 13th....

on the bright side I just reupped my season tickets for next year!

Man, I want to re-up so bad, but I just had an anxiety attack the other day at the grocery store when seeing the prices for a carton of eggs and a can of condensed milk these days.  Sigh... I need to make more money.

And CBJ really needs to quit trying to re-write history and leave it alone.  People around here got some really long memories, and all he's really doing is re-upping on making an [BLEEP] of himself.

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I have been reading this string. Quite interesting, discussing whether a very good football player under contract is coming back next year to play for us. Then ChrisTitanBoy uses it to as an opportunity continue his negative campaign against our QB.  Yea, is a really dead period right now until March 13th....

on the bright side I just reupped my season tickets for next year!

Man, I want to re-up so bad, but I just had an anxiety attack the other day at the grocery store when seeing the prices for a carton of eggs and a can of condensed milk these days.  Sigh... I need to make more money.

And CBJ really needs to quit trying to re-write history and leave it alone.  People around here got some really long memories, and all he's really doing is re-upping on making an [BLEEP] of himself.

But if you get the uncondensed milk you get a full gallon for the same price!

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

lies, lies and more lies

You're [BLEEP] pitifully bad at this, dude.

You should stop

I've said quite a few players suck, I don't think a quote of me saying "He Sucks" with 0 context really means anything. 

As far as the rest of these quotes as concerned, Lawrence was absolutely a pile of [BLEEP] in 2021. Not to say he wasn't in a bad situation, he wasn't making it any better on the field.

I normally wouldn't bother, but I've got a few minutes while I wait on a conference call...

Your moronic Trevor bashing is all archived, you nitwit. I wouldn't post it if I didn't have your stupid [BLEEP] receipts. 

Here is the link to you saying Trevor sucks IN CONTEXT in a thread titled "Lawrence Critique" LOL

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...pid1427209

Own your stupid bull [BLEEP] and quit being a little [BLEEP]

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I've said quite a few players suck, I don't think a quote of me saying "He Sucks" with 0 context really means anything. 

As far as the rest of these quotes as concerned, Lawrence was absolutely a pile of [BLEEP] in 2021. Not to say he wasn't in a bad situation, he wasn't making it any better on the field.

I normally wouldn't bother, but I've got a few minutes while I wait on a conference call...

Your moronic Trevor bashing is all archived, you nitwit. I wouldn't post it if I didn't have your stupid [BLEEP] receipts. 

Here is the link to you saying Trevor sucks IN CONTEXT in a thread titled "Lawrence Critique" LOL

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...pid1427209

Own your stupid bull [BLEEP] and quit being a little [BLEEP]

Oh man. I forgot about that whole thread.

SO MANY POSTERS EATING CROW HAHAHAHA

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It's funny that people voice opinions, and then however long later, everyone attacks that persons opinion by resurfacing their old comments to prove their point.

That makes this the most hospitable place for Jaguar fans to come and talk about the Jaguars, football and their opinions and ideas.

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It's funny that people voice opinions, and then however long later, everyone attacks that persons opinion by resurfacing their old comments to prove their point.

That makes this the most hospitable place for Jaguar fans to come and talk about the Jaguars, football and their opinions and ideas.

I'm assuming you mean inhospitable. 
 
Most folks just own their bad takes and admit they were wrong. 
That's a pretty easy way to prevent ones idiocy being dragged back out into the light. 

I know I've had to do that a number of times around here. 
I can rattle off a dozen Jags topics I was dead wrong about.

Y'all can call me out for being a jerk to this clown that loves to bash Trevor Lawrence. 
That's fair. I don't mind. I think it's funny that he can't just admit he was wrong.

I also find it funny that we had a new guy bugger off after a week or two claiming to be attacked after he basically called out the Jags GM, the coaches, multiple draft picks, and ownership as "bad" in some way. 
Were those opinions supposed to be met with sunshine and rainbows from Jaguars fans who just saw their team make a playoff appearance when most expected 6 or 7 wins? 
LOL
"People don't agree with me!! Wahhh!" 

I guess thin skin serves no one well among the old interwebs. 
I'd say I'd try to tone it down, but I probably won't.

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It's funny that people voice opinions, and then however long later, everyone attacks that persons opinion by resurfacing their old comments to prove their point.

That makes this the most hospitable place for Jaguar fans to come and talk about the Jaguars, football and their opinions and ideas.

I'm assuming you mean inhospitable. 
 
Most folks just own their bad takes and admit they were wrong. 
That's a pretty easy way to prevent ones idiocy being dragged back out into the light. 

I know I've had to do that a number of times around here. 
I can rattle off a dozen Jags topics I was dead wrong about.

Y'all can call me out for being a jerk to this clown that loves to bash Trevor Lawrence. 
That's fair. I don't mind. I think it's funny that he can't just admit he was wrong.

I also find it funny that we had a new guy bugger off after a week or two claiming to be attacked after he basically called out the Jags GM, the coaches, multiple draft picks, and ownership as "bad" in some way. 
Were those opinions supposed to be met with sunshine and rainbows from Jaguars fans who just saw their team make a playoff appearance when most expected 6 or 7 wins? 
LOL
"People don't agree with me!! Wahhh!" 

I guess thin skin serves no one well among the old interwebs. 
I'd say I'd try to tone it down, but I probably won't.

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I was using sarcasm when I said hospitable.

You're right if someone is saying something like "Your opinions are wrong and mine are right!!" that's not very friendly and people would obviously attack that if it turns out they were wrong. The issue is IF I said " I think Evan Engram's production out of the TE position is replaceable via Pederson and Lawrence", that's just an opinion. But the Jungle mob would attack that like madfish, bashing your intelligence and just belittling you to no end, instead of just discussing it if your interested, and ignoring it if you aren't. 

People need to do better. 

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It's funny that people voice opinions, and then however long later, everyone attacks that persons opinion by resurfacing their old comments to prove their point.

That makes this the most hospitable place for Jaguar fans to come and talk about the Jaguars, football and their opinions and ideas.

Yeah the problem, as NYC said, is someone just doubling down when they're called out.

If someone said "Hey CJB, remember when you said Trevor sucks" and he responded with something like "Yeah I know right? My bad, I was def wrong" then this whole thing would have died last year.

It's when the response is "I didn't say that, but if I did I didn't mean it, and If I did you didn't understand it, and if you did it's not a big deal and other people have said worse and are worse than me" That keeps this thing going.

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

I'm assuming you mean inhospitable. 
 
Most folks just own their bad takes and admit they were wrong. 
That's a pretty easy way to prevent ones idiocy being dragged back out into the light. 

I know I've had to do that a number of times around here. 
I can rattle off a dozen Jags topics I was dead wrong about.

Y'all can call me out for being a jerk to this clown that loves to bash Trevor Lawrence. 
That's fair. I don't mind. I think it's funny that he can't just admit he was wrong.

I also find it funny that we had a new guy bugger off after a week or two claiming to be attacked after he basically called out the Jags GM, the coaches, multiple draft picks, and ownership as "bad" in some way. 
Were those opinions supposed to be met with sunshine and rainbows from Jaguars fans who just saw their team make a playoff appearance when most expected 6 or 7 wins? 
LOL
"People don't agree with me!! Wahhh!" 

I guess thin skin serves no one well among the old interwebs. 
I'd say I'd try to tone it down, but I probably won't.

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I was using sarcasm when I said hospitable.

You're right if someone is saying something like "Your opinions are wrong and mine are right!!" that's not very friendly and people would obviously attack that if it turns out they were wrong. The issue is IF I said " I think Evan Engram's production out of the TE position is replaceable via Pederson and Lawrence", that's just an opinion. But the Jungle mob would attack that like madfish, bashing your intelligence and just belittling you to no end, instead of just discussing it if your interested, and ignoring it if you aren't. 

People need to do better. 

The bolded is just flat out not true.

If you come out and say "All you Evan Engram nut huggers needs to take off your teal shades......" then you would get the "Jungle Mob". But if you come out and have clear and concise talking points, 99.9% of the time you are met with a civil discussion. The issue isn't that he thought Lawrence sucked and it never has been. The issue is that he told people they were "Lawrence nut huggers" and made a post after EVERY SINGLE MISTAKE as if it was justification for his hot take. 

It's not the takes that bother people but the constant back patting and patronizing of others ON A DAILY BASIS.

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Trevor DID suck during that Denver game. Just sayin', Good quarterbacks have sucked occasionally. Peyton Manning had plenty of games where he SUCKED, but still one of the best.

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