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Dead Zone - 2022 NFL Redraft (CBS) - Jags take DB Sauce / Travon falls to #30
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02-22-2023, 03:16 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-22-2023, 03:19 PM by Caldrac. Edited 1 time in total.)
(02-22-2023, 02:42 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:(02-22-2023, 01:57 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: I see lots and lots of this analysis flying around.It's not a direct comparison but JJ Watt had 5.5 sacks his rookie year. Patrick Peterson and Von Miller both outplayed him in their rookie years. Then Watt went on a monster tear when he put it all together. This might be Walker in 2023. I think Walker just needs to learn another pass rush move or two to combine with his bull rush. His natural size and strength is CLEARLY evident. He just needs to build those moves. The other thing I hope coaches are telling him this off season as well. Do not be afraid to attack the QB if you're around him in the pocket. I think he had one or two roughing the passer calls and they were critical calls against him but he can't play gun shy out there. I would rather have a guy like him at his size more trigger happy than gun shy. Good example of this is Nick Bosa. I watched him get flagged for roughing Geno Smith on one play and he responded by getting right back after him and put his [BLEEP] in the ground like you're supposed to do. That's what I want to see out of him in year two. You're going to make mistakes. [BLEEP] happens. Just don't let it linger and change your entire approach for the rest of the game. Shake that [BLEEP] off and get after it. ![]() "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king." We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
02-24-2023, 02:42 PM
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(02-22-2023, 01:29 PM)Caldrac Wrote: A lot of the shots being taken at Travon Walker should honestly be directed at Baalke and Caldwell. Same with Lloyd. Again, the glaring point that seems to get glossed over by all of these media outlets is that we selected two players in the first round last year and played them completely out of position. I would also say it gets glossed over that Caldwell switching guys around helped in a mighty way all the way to the playoffs. Tons of guys get switched at the pro level. Hines Ward, Randle El, Thomas Davis, Lonnie Marts was a safety at Tulane, Kelce was a QB, Edelman was a QB, Kordell Stewart, Zach Miller, JJ Watt, Devin Hester, Josh Cribbs, Patterson, the list goes on. Walker will just flat out have to Buck-Up. Get in the gym and work during practice. And sometimes the switch just don’t work out like Matt Jones. But it ain’t like the coaches will let him go back, that’s where they want him. (02-25-2023, 05:08 PM)Jag88 Wrote: I just remember Allen trying to cover down the field. That didn’t look good. Coach Caldwell needs to tighten up in season 2. He was actually good in coverage. OLBs have to do that sometimes. Here's some perspective for you: Josh Allen - 9 catches allowed on 17 targets - 52% completion rate allowed Rayshawn Jenkins - 39 catches allowed on 55 targets - 70% completion rate allowed
(02-26-2023, 06:58 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:(02-25-2023, 05:08 PM)Jag88 Wrote: I just remember Allen trying to cover down the field. That didn’t look good. Coach Caldwell needs to tighten up in season 2. And was in coverage when he scored the winning td against the titans. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (02-26-2023, 06:58 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:(02-25-2023, 05:08 PM)Jag88 Wrote: I just remember Allen trying to cover down the field. That didn’t look good. Coach Caldwell needs to tighten up in season 2. I'm pretty sure most of those were on simulated pressures. Sometimes you have to do that do odd things, like that to keep other teams guessing. If good QB's/OC's know exactly what 1 or 2 defensive players are going to do every play, it can easier to game plan against. I mean Allen was in coverage, like 2 plays a game? That isn't that much.
I think travon suprises this year.
Second year time to step up, i think he can figure some things out. I didnt see any quit in him.
One item that should be noted, which I'm not certain anyone addressed in the responses (since i didn't read through all of them) is Travon was not supposed to be as good as Hutch in year 1. This was definitely a pick based on potential.
He has a lot to live up too for sure.Obviously ridiculous to write him off already.But will say, needs to show some real improvement in some areas.Seems like a hard working dude so know will put in the work and hopefully that translates to the field.
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Tar Heel Jags Fan We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (02-27-2023, 03:51 PM)rpr52121 Wrote:(02-26-2023, 06:58 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: He was actually good in coverage. OLBs have to do that sometimes. Yes, for sure, some of those were "disguises." And some were in direct response to the formation that appeared in front of them and a need to cover all the backs, receivers, and ends. Either way - it didn't happen much - and when it did he was actually quite good at it save one big play given up for a TD. But it was far from some ugly trend in our defense that deserves any serious consternation IMO.
https://www.si.com/nfl/jets/.amp/news/ne...-nfl-draft
Good read. Fair points. Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk ![]() "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king." (03-07-2023, 09:52 PM)Caldrac Wrote: https://www.si.com/nfl/jets/.amp/news/ne...-nfl-draft Honestly this makes me feel better about the pick. This is the same guy that said Lawrence had a 90% chance to be a bust, and doubled down on that fact after Urban was fired while blaming Trevor for it. He's got some pretty awful takes floating around. (03-07-2023, 11:57 PM)empty Wrote:(03-07-2023, 09:52 PM)Caldrac Wrote: https://www.si.com/nfl/jets/.amp/news/ne...-nfl-draft He is a former Jets scout. Wouldn't surprise me if he had that take on Lawrence considering how awful they were with Zach Wilson. I still think his assessment on Walker is spot on though. I think he's right about Nolan Smith as well. ![]() "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king." We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (03-08-2023, 08:31 AM)Caldrac Wrote:(03-07-2023, 11:57 PM)empty Wrote: Honestly this makes me feel better about the pick. This is the same guy that said Lawrence had a 90% chance to be a bust, and doubled down on that fact after Urban was fired while blaming Trevor for it. He's got some pretty awful takes floating around. Gene Smith was a former NFL scout, too, do you trust his assessments? Just because you know someone, you might be able to get your foot in the door. If you stink out loud at the job though, you end up in the blogosphere. Remind me who the Jest have ever hit on? (03-08-2023, 09:12 AM)Mikey Wrote:(03-08-2023, 08:31 AM)Caldrac Wrote: He is a former Jets scout. Wouldn't surprise me if he had that take on Lawrence considering how awful they were with Zach Wilson. I still think his assessment on Walker is spot on though. I think he's right about Nolan Smith as well. You're getting too attached and overly emotional about an assessment I see. Look, just pointing out the obvious when it came to Travon Walker as a rookie. His assessment, for better or worse, was pretty spot on about him coming out of college. Better run defender, raw pass rusher, plays better with his hands in the dirt instead of upright. He was looking at maximizing his potential there already coming out of college by suggesting he should have been a 4 - 3 DT. That's it. No need to dig up the past, or say "Well he's missed 1,000 times on X, Y & Z". It's a dumb argument or point to throw out there. People play the lottery everyday and never hit. People sometimes get lucky and win it multiple times. [BLEEP] happens. No need to get your panties in a bunch, Mikey. But, for the record? Not sure when that guy was a scout for the Jets. Matter of fact, that's the first time I ever heard of him or seen an article written by him. I don't follow him. I caught that article in a tweet that he posted in regards to Tony Pauline's remarks on Nolan Smith. Happy Hump Day! ![]() "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."
Lots of different opinions out there on Travon's future.
I'm excited to see what happens. One note on that scout's critique of Walker as a prospect: He said he could bull rush tackles, but wasn't strong enough to push them back into the QB and affect the play. Walker did exactly what that scout said he couldn't do on at least 4 occasions in his rookie season in the NFL. It was impressive. That said - he's got to get a counter move developed off of that power bull rush this year or his time on the outside will be diminishing. Fingers crossed. I think he can get some hand technique together and shed some blocks if he buckles down on it. (03-08-2023, 09:55 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Lots of different opinions out there on Travon's future. Agreed. Needs more pass rushing moves added onto his toolbelt this summer. He was drafted for upside. Patience was going to be needed from day one with him. He flashed plenty here and there. I am confident he gets better in 2023. ![]() "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king." We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
People acting like they weren’t mad when Allen kept getting burnt in mid deep coverage down the field. Stop faking. Lol I get it, he needs to cover sometimes to keep them honest.
(03-08-2023, 11:45 AM)Jag88 Wrote: People acting like they weren’t mad when Allen kept getting burnt in mid deep coverage down the field. Stop faking. Lol I get it, he needs to cover sometimes to keep them honest. The problem with you and others spewing this nonsense, is that it didn't actually happen. The man took between 900-1000 snaps on defense. He allowed 9 completions, and maybe 4 or 5 of those were as you are describing. That's like, 0.5% of his snaps, man. You got mad at that??? That's on you, pal. Not Josh Allen. (03-08-2023, 11:45 AM)Jag88 Wrote: People acting like they weren’t mad when Allen kept getting burnt in mid deep coverage down the field. Stop faking. Lol I get it, he needs to cover sometimes to keep them honest. That's on scheme and defensive play calling. Not the player. The only bad play I can recall of with Allen in coverage was against the Cowboys at home where he got beat by either Schultz or Pollard for a TD. Again, though, your best pass rusher win rate percentage wise shouldn't be back there to begin with. Goes back to what a lot of us were harping on and questioning with Caldwell's personnel choices and schemes throughout the season. ![]() "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king." |
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