Yep. Those two have the lowest sack percentages in NFL history for a reason.

 

And there's also a reason there have been two QBs in our lifetime that were able to do that successfully.  They're that rare.

 

At the same time, guys like Tarik Glenn, Jeff Saturday earned their Pro Bowls on their own merit, not Manning's.  Ditto  Newman, Kuechenberg, Foster, Stephenson, Webb, and Sims for Marino.  They earned their trips to Hawaii, Marino didn't do it for them.  One of the important reasons Marino could move well in the pocket aside from his unmatched pocket sense, is that he actually did have a pocket to move in.  Marino got the ball out, but that certainly doesn't mean he didn't have time.  In fact, once his line degraded, he was knocked out of the league.  Manning's line wasn't so bad until his final years in Indy, where he'd mastered the offense and simply threw his way out of trouble.  Few, if any, QBs have ever played their way out of trouble like Manning did those last couple years.

 

So, let's not pretend they had to play that way their entire careers.  They were the very rare, exceptional players that could when necessary.

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And there's also a reason there have been two QBs in our lifetime that were able to do that successfully.  They're that rare.

 

At the same time, guys like Tarik Glenn, Jeff Saturday earned their Pro Bowls on their own merit, not Manning's.  Ditto  Newman, Kuechenberg, Foster, Stephenson, Webb, and Sims for Marino.  They earned their trips to Hawaii, Marino didn't do it for them.  One of the important reasons Marino could move well in the pocket aside from his unmatched pocket sense, is that he actually did have a pocket to move in.  Marino got the ball out, but that certainly doesn't mean he didn't have time.  In fact, once his line degraded, he was knocked out of the league.  Manning's line wasn't so bad until his final years in Indy, where he'd mastered the offense and simply threw his way out of trouble.  Few, if any, QBs have ever played their way out of trouble like Manning did those last couple years.

 

So, let's not pretend they had to play that way their entire careers.  They were the very rare, exceptional players that could when necessary.

 

Rodgers, Eli, and Ben have all won rings recently with below average offensive lines, and Peyton's line went to hell after Glenn retired. It is obviously preferable to have the '90s Cowboys fronts if you're trying to build a Super Bowl contender, but elite quarterbacks can thrive without a lot to work with.

 

Now, if you have a Drew Bledsoe or a Carson Palmer back there, then you definitely need some Grade A protection if you want to be consistently successful.

 

Also, quarterbacks can singlehandedly earn Pro Bowl invites and fat contracts for mediocre lineman. See: Brees, Drew and Bushrod, Jermon.

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Steps up in the pocket TWICE! Love it! His pocket presence and accuracy are very reminiscent of Aaron Rodgers. It's that good.

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Crab Cakes and Football! That's what Jacksonville does!

This is no question. Take the quarterback. How many superbowls does a pass rusher win you? 

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we are a defensive minded team - we will be okay on D.  go all in on a quarterback because if you neglect that position, wait, you'll have what we have.

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Teddy gets my vote easily. 

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Rodgers, Eli, and Ben have all won rings recently with below average offensive lines, and Peyton's line went to hell after Glenn retired. It is obviously preferable to have the '90s Cowboys fronts if you're trying to build a Super Bowl contender, but elite quarterbacks can thrive without a lot to work with.

 

Now, if you have a Drew Bledsoe or a Carson Palmer back there, then you definitely need some Grade A protection if you want to be consistently successful.

 

Also, quarterbacks can singlehandedly earn Pro Bowl invites and fat contracts for mediocre lineman. See: Brees, Drew and Bushrod, Jermon.

 

LOL... quarterbacks certainly do NOT singlehandedly earn any lineman a Pro Bowl.  Wow...

 

Eli has an outstanding line, the others not so much... Rodgers line isn't chopped liver, but Ben has certainly lost years off his career compliments of his line.  Yeah, that's what you want to do to your franchise QB for sure.  That's asinine.  When you find your franchise QB, you better protect him, or you might as well not have one... you're going to lose him due to injury.

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Jermon Bushrod is not a good player and has benefitted tremendously from Brees' pocket presence and quick release. I'm saying this as a Bears fan whose front office overpaid for him.

 

The Giants' line sucks and Green Bay's has been one of the worst in the league this decade.

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Jermon Bushrod is not a good player and has benefitted tremendously from Brees' pocket presence and quick release. I'm saying this as a Bears fan whose front office overpaid for him.

 

The Giants' line sucks and Green Bay's has been one of the worst in the league this decade.

 

How's Long looking this season? 

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How's Long looking this season? 

 

He's a stud.

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He's a stud.

Bout time the Bears got some actual oline help it seems like ever since Cutler got there it just seems like he's getting hit every time he drops back.

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Jermon Bushrod is not a good player and has benefitted tremendously from Brees' pocket presence and quick release. I'm saying this as a Bears fan whose front office overpaid for him.

 

The Giants' line sucks and Green Bay's has been one of the worst in the league this decade.

 

The beauty of the internet is that you can say anything you want, but that doesn't make it true.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

The beauty of the internet is that you can say anything you want, but that doesn't make it true.

What did he say that wasn't truthful? Maybe slighlty exaggerated but there's mostly truth there. The NYG line isn't that good and the Packers line is downright horrible and has been for years.

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Steps up in the pocket TWICE! Love it! His pocket presence and accuracy are very reminiscent of Aaron Rodgers. It's that good.

I've compared Teddy to Aaron a few times here and was laughed at. The two are eerily similar. Also that's something I have yet seen Blaine do in his time here.

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I've compared Teddy to Aaron a few times here and was laughed at. The two are eerily similar. Also that's something I have yet seen Blaine do in his time here.

I see it too and have said it as well. Sadly you won't see Blaine do that, he didn't do it in college, it's not how he functions. How somebody paid large sums of money to scout players missed that is beyond me. Teddy is on. The level that he will make players around him better versus a guy you need all the right pieces for him to be successful and I truly believe that.

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Worst case scenario we have yet to win a game and same with Cleveland. Do both teams keep fumbling and throwing Int. To get that number 1 pick. If so though it be sad. It would also be funny. Kinda like the reverse effect of when Mojo slid down at the one. When could of scored.

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What did he say that wasn't truthful? Maybe slighlty exaggerated but there's mostly truth there. The NYG line isn't that good and the Packers line is downright horrible and has been for years.

Any opinion that isnt the same as Pirks is obviously horribley thought out and wrong. Get with the program.

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The beauty of the internet is that you can say anything you want, but that doesn't make it true.

 

The real beauty of the internet is freely sharing opinions and viewpoints with millions of people that you otherwise would never be able to; also, this can often result in a conversation or even a lively debate. You are free to tell me how the Giants' line -- which produced the worst rushing totals in the league in 2011 both in yards and yards-per-attempt, the first for a Super Bowl-winner -- and the Packers' front -- which has been close to the league-leader in sacks allowed and QB hits allowed for the last half-decade despite protecting a passer with excellent pocket presence and mobility -- are anything but poor. Calling New York's line "outstanding" is especially egregious.

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The real beauty of the internet is freely sharing opinions and viewpoints with millions of people that you otherwise would never be able to; also, this can often result in a conversation or even a lively debate. You are free to tell me how the Giants' line -- which produced the worst rushing totals in the league in 2011 both in yards and yards-per-attempt, the first for a Super Bowl-winner -- and the Packers' front -- which has been close to the league-leader and sacks allowed and QB hits allowed for the last half-decade despite protecting a passer with excellent pocket presence and mobility -- are anything but poor. Calling New York's line "outstanding" is especially egregious.

Whatever you say, kid.  You're free to believe anything you want.

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Why troll?

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