"Nut Hugger", that's all we need to remember.

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"B-b-b-but I only felt that way at that one second. I was miserable like everyone else, but I really, really, really, meant I thought he would be great! Really I did, I can't believe you remember it differently!"

Lol if that's the best you got homie by all means, the nut hugger comment was in response to people blatantly lying, saying how well he was playing followed by a string of interceptions and probably one of his worst performances of his young career. 

But, you do you. You have exactly 0 receipts of me claiming he will be a bust or wont work out. But continue being wrong, you always are.

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As usual - you just hope that trotting out a blatant lie will save you from your crappy takes. 

This is from a game thread late in 2021 and it's far from the only time you iterated no hope, no faith in Trevor. 

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...pid1438006

I won't belabor the point for three more pages - but suffice it to say I've got a truck load of receipts on you expressing this sentiment, plus multiple instances of you disparaging those who sought to defend Trevor, plus you outright saying that Trevor Lawrence sucks. 

Not sure why you seem to think you can just jump into thread after thread and lie through your teeth on this.
Lots of us saw your drawn out Trevor bashing happen in real time and it's memorable because it was so stupid. 

And please spare me the "b,b,b, but what I really meant was: derp-derp-herpity-derpity-sasquatch" routine. Your actual posts speak clearly on your [BLEEP] takes, your animosity toward fans who disagreed with you, and now your inane lies and backpedaling to worm out of your own pile of dung. 

Oh, and to answer your question about favorite jaguars memories in the other thread:
Every single time Trevor Lawrence makes you look like a total [BLEEP] moron. Those are currently my favorite memories.

Very fitting for you to claim you have "evidence" or "Receipts" only to link us a deleted thread. Almost like a Metaphore for how much of a liar you are.. Or maybe it's the dimentia.

It's "metaphor" and "dementia" you dimwit. Sadly for you, your words are there for all to see; so keep trying, you aren't even fooling yourself at this point.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

But, you do you. You have exactly 0 receipts of me claiming he will be a bust or wont work out. But continue being wrong, you always are.

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As usual - you just hope that trotting out a blatant lie will save you from your crappy takes. 

This is from a game thread late in 2021 and it's far from the only time you iterated no hope, no faith in Trevor. 

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...pid1438006

I won't belabor the point for three more pages - but suffice it to say I've got a truck load of receipts on you expressing this sentiment, plus multiple instances of you disparaging those who sought to defend Trevor, plus you outright saying that Trevor Lawrence sucks. 

Not sure why you seem to think you can just jump into thread after thread and lie through your teeth on this.
Lots of us saw your drawn out Trevor bashing happen in real time and it's memorable because it was so stupid. 

And please spare me the "b,b,b, but what I really meant was: derp-derp-herpity-derpity-sasquatch" routine. Your actual posts speak clearly on your [BLEEP] takes, your animosity toward fans who disagreed with you, and now your inane lies and backpedaling to worm out of your own pile of dung. 

Oh, and to answer your question about favorite jaguars memories in the other thread:
Every single time Trevor Lawrence makes you look like a total [BLEEP] moron. Those are currently my favorite memories.

Very fitting for you to claim you have "evidence" or "Receipts" only to link us a deleted thread. Almost like a Metaphore for how much of a liar you are.. Or maybe it's the dimentia.

Your words:

It really blows that we have to go into the offseason with very little hope. I thought maybe Lawrence would at least show some signs of being that guy throughout an entire 17 game season but I have no faith. Only thing I can think of at this point is if we overhaul the offense with star wrs/linemen in free agency and hope that it actually makes a difference in this guys play enough to be a competent team.

Thread opens fine for me


You can TRY to keep just lying about what happened and hope ppl will forget or not bother to demonstrate how you are clearly 100% full of [BLEEP], but don't worry. I'll continue to make sure your actual craptastic takes live on.

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"Nut Hugger", that's all we need to remember.

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"B-b-b-but I only felt that way at that one second. I was miserable like everyone else, but I really, really, really, meant I thought he would be great! Really I did, I can't believe you remember it differently!"

Lol if that's the best you got homie by all means, the nut hugger comment was in response to people blatantly lying, saying how well he was playing followed by a string of interceptions and probably one of his worst performances of his young career. 

But, you do you. You have exactly 0 receipts of me claiming he will be a bust or wont work out. But continue being wrong, you always are.

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As usual - you just hope that trotting out a blatant lie will save you from your crappy takes. 

This is from a game thread late in 2021 and it's far from the only time you iterated no hope, no faith in Trevor. 

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...pid1438006

I won't belabor the point for three more pages - but suffice it to say I've got a truck load of receipts on you expressing this sentiment, plus multiple instances of you disparaging those who sought to defend Trevor, plus you outright saying that Trevor Lawrence sucks. 

Not sure why you seem to think you can just jump into thread after thread and lie through your teeth on this.
Lots of us saw your drawn out Trevor bashing happen in real time and it's memorable because it was so stupid. 

And please spare me the "b,b,b, but what I really meant was: derp-derp-herpity-derpity-sasquatch" routine. Your actual posts speak clearly on your [BLEEP] takes, your animosity toward fans who disagreed with you, and now your inane lies and backpedaling to worm out of your own pile of dung. 

Oh, and to answer your question about favorite jaguars memories in the other thread:
Every single time Trevor Lawrence makes you look like a total [BLEEP] moron. Those are currently my favorite memories.

Very fitting for you to claim you have "evidence" or "Receipts" only to link us a deleted thread. Almost like a Metaphore for how much of a liar you are.. Or maybe it's the dimentia.

Funny how you’re the only one that remembers things the way you do.  Kind of like you’re the one that’s full of [BLEEP], huh?

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But, you do you. You have exactly 0 receipts of me claiming he will be a bust or wont work out. But continue being wrong, you always are.

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Very fitting for you to claim you have "evidence" or "Receipts" only to link us a deleted thread. Almost like a Metaphore for how much of a liar you are.. Or maybe it's the dimentia.

Your words:

It really blows that we have to go into the offseason with very little hope. I thought maybe Lawrence would at least show some signs of being that guy throughout an entire 17 game season but I have no faith. Only thing I can think of at this point is if we overhaul the offense with star wrs/linemen in free agency and hope that it actually makes a difference in this guys play enough to be a competent team.

Thread opens fine for me


You can TRY to keep just lying about what happened and hope ppl will forget or not bother to demonstrate how you are clearly 100% full of [BLEEP], but don't worry. I'll continue to make sure you're actual craptastic takes live on.

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Interesting pronoun usage in the underlined portion.

That analysis would be a correct observation if you exclude yourself from the "you."

But I assure you, I didn't just suddenly and arbitrarily decide to malign your character here when I say you didn't like Trevor Lawrence.  I've debated the others in this forum enough to know they typically debate in good faith.

You regularly bashed Trevor Lawrence and doubted his ability to ever develop into anything.

I'm not the only one with that recollection.

I bashed Trevors individual game performances on many occasions, both in his rookie season and even part of the last year. But with that being said, where I pointed out his wild inconsistencys with accuracy/decision making (which were even visible to everyone watching his most recent game in which he threw 4 really bad interceptions) I never said he didn't have talent. 

This is where the disconnect between myself and most of this board becomes apparent. When it comes to being a quarterback I could careless about your physical attributes untill I see them turn into production on the field. The Colts new rookie comes to mind, I still can't believe he was even drafted based on his ability to play QB (Trevor is nothing like him, this is an extreme example tho)

I did have my doubt, mainly concerning issues that he had prior to joining the NFL, and has continued to have since he's been here. However, like most human beings theres always room for improvement and when he started showing improvement I gave him his props. MOST QBs specfically do not turn the table and fix there issues that's why it's so incredibly hard to find a true franchise elite QB. 

I watched every single play Trevor made at Clemson, so you can imagine my dissapointment when the worst of what I saw there, became the majority of what I saw in his rookie season. I never doubted he had a big arm, I never doubted he was physically gifted and could make throws.. but I also wasn't blinded by the teal sunglasses and pretending the issues didn't exist like some on this board. He STILL makes the same mistakes. They are very specific issues, I know someone will say something like "yeah but every qb has a bad throw/game yada yada" But when you look deeper, notice he makes the same mistakes in the same situations, thats where it worries me. 

He has gotten significantly better.. which I've been happy about. But to disregard the things I said is just ignorant, and because he got better dosen't mean the issues never existed to begin with.

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 So you equate Trevor Lawrence's rookie year potential to Richardson's?!?  Richardson of the 53% completion percentage?  Seriously?!?

Did the fact that he was a rookie have anything to do with his rookie year performance?  Perhaps I'm spitballing-no....I'm not even going to cede that semantically-but Trevor Lawrence's rookie year had much to do with his rookie year performance.  NFL history is replete with rookie QBs struggling in their rookie years.  Patrick Mahomes, who has been to three Super Bowls, winning two, didn't play until the very end of his rookie season. Troy Aikman went 0-11 in his rookie year when his inexperience was combined with a lack of surrounding talent and poor coaching.  He wound u winning three Super Bowls.  Peyton Manning threw 28 INTs his rookie year.  He ended his career going to three Super Bowls, winning two, and is on his way to being enshrined in Canton if he's not there now.

Do you think Urban Meyer was the best coach to develop Trevor Lawrence in his rookie year?  Might Urban Meyer's presence have had an adverse impact on Trevor Lawrence's rookie year performance?

Is it possible that the additions of Evan Engram, Zay Jones, and Christian Kirk had more of a positive impact on Trevor Lawrence's performance than the players in those same positions in his rookie year?  It's not a stretch to suggest that trio is among the top 3 in Jaguars history compared with 1996 )Jimmy Smith, Keenan McCardell, Andre Rison) and 2017 Soward, Hurnd, Lewis).  Conversely, isn't it possible the 2021 receivers had a negative impact on TL's performance?

 I ask these questions now because to my recollection, there was no such analysis from you that tempered your Trevor bashing with balanced analysis

Even here you say "He makes the same mistakes in the same situations."  He cut his INTs by half between the 17 he threw in his rookie year and the 8 he threw last year.  In his rookie year, he was trailing in 14 games and lost 14 games.  Last year, he trailed by double digits against Baltimore, Dallas and the Raiders and beat all three.  To make the assertion about making the same mistakes in the same situations is an exaggeration at best.      That shows progress, not the stagnation you think you observe.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Trevor is good

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Trevor is good

Nut hugger.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

If hot takes were trees.

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Well, I guess there is nothing better to talk about right now lol

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"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23

(Emphasis added)

Interesting pronoun usage in the underlined portion.

That analysis would be a correct observation if you exclude yourself from the "you."

But I assure you, I didn't just suddenly and arbitrarily decide to malign your character here when I say you didn't like Trevor Lawrence.  I've debated the others in this forum enough to know they typically debate in good faith.

You regularly bashed Trevor Lawrence and doubted his ability to ever develop into anything.

I'm not the only one with that recollection.

I bashed Trevors individual game performances on many occasions, both in his rookie season and even part of the last year. But with that being said, where I pointed out his wild inconsistencys with accuracy/decision making (which were even visible to everyone watching his most recent game in which he threw 4 really bad interceptions) I never said he didn't have talent. 

This is where the disconnect between myself and most of this board becomes apparent. When it comes to being a quarterback I could careless about your physical attributes untill I see them turn into production on the field. The Colts new rookie comes to mind, I still can't believe he was even drafted based on his ability to play QB (Trevor is nothing like him, this is an extreme example tho)

I did have my doubt, mainly concerning issues that he had prior to joining the NFL, and has continued to have since he's been here. However, like most human beings theres always room for improvement and when he started showing improvement I gave him his props. MOST QBs specfically do not turn the table and fix there issues that's why it's so incredibly hard to find a true franchise elite QB. 

I watched every single play Trevor made at Clemson, so you can imagine my dissapointment when the worst of what I saw there, became the majority of what I saw in his rookie season. I never doubted he had a big arm, I never doubted he was physically gifted and could make throws.. but I also wasn't blinded by the teal sunglasses and pretending the issues didn't exist like some on this board. He STILL makes the same mistakes. They are very specific issues, I know someone will say something like "yeah but every qb has a bad throw/game yada yada" But when you look deeper, notice he makes the same mistakes in the same situations, thats where it worries me. 

He has gotten significantly better.. which I've been happy about. But to disregard the things I said is just ignorant, and because he got better dosen't mean the issues never existed to begin with.

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How much did they have to pay to have two NFL greats lie about soccer?

Soccer gotta be the most mind numbingly boring sport in the history of the world.

I call bull on this.  You are a Clemson fan?  If that was true and you seen every play Trevor made you would of been very high on Trevor coming out.

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But, you do you. You have exactly 0 receipts of me claiming he will be a bust or wont work out. But continue being wrong, you always are.

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Very fitting for you to claim you have "evidence" or "Receipts" only to link us a deleted thread. Almost like a Metaphore for how much of a liar you are.. Or maybe it's the dimentia.

Your words:

It really blows that we have to go into the offseason with very little hope. I thought maybe Lawrence would at least show some signs of being that guy throughout an entire 17 game season but I have no faith. Only thing I can think of at this point is if we overhaul the offense with star wrs/linemen in free agency and hope that it actually makes a difference in this guys play enough to be a competent team.

Thread opens fine for me


You can TRY to keep just lying about what happened and hope ppl will forget or not bother to demonstrate how you are clearly 100% full of [BLEEP], but don't worry. I'll continue to make sure you're actual craptastic takes live on.

Yeah i'm gonna go ahead and say that 12 tds 17 ints and an 8 game stretch of not being able to reach the endzone isn't exactly promising football. And I do not think many people will argue that in january of 2022 there was much hope for the upcoming season, anybody who claims they thought this team or Trevor would improve to the point of winning a wildcard playoff game is drunk on teal kool-aid or a liar. I still never called him a bust, I said he didn't show much in his rookie campaign which is backed up by the film and the stats. He had 20+ turnovers and 12 tds in 17 games. It was possibly the worst full season a QB has ever played for this team. 

Again, where did I say he was a bust? and Where did I say I had no faith in him to ever be good? I absolutely had no faith in the 2022 season, This was pre Doug Pederson and coming off one of the worst football years in our clubs history.

Please tho, try to find a new quote because this one dosen't hold any merrit to your argument.. it didn't 3 months ago when you posted it, and it still dosen't.

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I bashed Trevors individual game performances on many occasions, both in his rookie season and even part of the last year. But with that being said, where I pointed out his wild inconsistencys with accuracy/decision making (which were even visible to everyone watching his most recent game in which he threw 4 really bad interceptions) I never said he didn't have talent. 

This is where the disconnect between myself and most of this board becomes apparent. When it comes to being a quarterback I could careless about your physical attributes untill I see them turn into production on the field. The Colts new rookie comes to mind, I still can't believe he was even drafted based on his ability to play QB (Trevor is nothing like him, this is an extreme example tho)

I did have my doubt, mainly concerning issues that he had prior to joining the NFL, and has continued to have since he's been here. However, like most human beings theres always room for improvement and when he started showing improvement I gave him his props. MOST QBs specfically do not turn the table and fix there issues that's why it's so incredibly hard to find a true franchise elite QB. 

I watched every single play Trevor made at Clemson, so you can imagine my dissapointment when the worst of what I saw there, became the majority of what I saw in his rookie season. I never doubted he had a big arm, I never doubted he was physically gifted and could make throws.. but I also wasn't blinded by the teal sunglasses and pretending the issues didn't exist like some on this board. He STILL makes the same mistakes. They are very specific issues, I know someone will say something like "yeah but every qb has a bad throw/game yada yada" But when you look deeper, notice he makes the same mistakes in the same situations, thats where it worries me. 

He has gotten significantly better.. which I've been happy about. But to disregard the things I said is just ignorant, and because he got better dosen't mean the issues never existed to begin with.

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Soccer gotta be the most mind numbingly boring sport in the history of the world.

I call bull on this.  You are a Clemson fan?  If that was true and you seen every play Trevor made you would of been very high on Trevor coming out.

I am not a Clemson fan. if you google "NFL Draft Prospect game tape" you will stumble across a website that has game cuts for most college prospects, a short video of each game highlighting every play made by that specific prospect. This is where I do my own research on prospects. It's much more clear watching it this way than watching 4 hour long games on TV because you can really dial in on that specific player. 

Also, another misconception is that I was never not high on Trevor Lawrence, he would have been my pick at #1 aswell. My problem was that he was being compared to guys who were FAR more impressive coming out who didn't have a load of things that needed to be worked on and fixed. 

My issue with the two clowns on this board that never shut up is that they continously deny/ignore the comments/observations I made prior to him becoming a Jaguar that have been blatantly obvious issues even up until the playoff game against the Chargers. 

I never tried to knock Trevor for the things he did well, only point out the areas in which were concerning because they continued to occur week by week even after 2 off seasons since his days at Clemson.




https://dynastyleaguefootball.com/player...nce/videos

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Trevor is good

Nut hugger.

He's entitled to claim Trevor is good, the nut hugger comment was referring to 3-4 posters in a game day thread who blamed the WR for Trevor throwing the ball about 5 yards too high to be caught that got intercepted.

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Lol if that's the best you got homie by all means, the nut hugger comment was in response to people blatantly lying, saying how well he was playing followed by a string of interceptions and probably one of his worst performances of his young career. 

But, you do you. You have exactly 0 receipts of me claiming he will be a bust or wont work out. But continue being wrong, you always are.

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Very fitting for you to claim you have "evidence" or "Receipts" only to link us a deleted thread. Almost like a Metaphore for how much of a liar you are.. Or maybe it's the dimentia.

Funny how you’re the only one that remembers things the way you do.  Kind of like you’re the one that’s full of [BLEEP], huh?

Perhaps it's because I remember the actual conversations, and the only thing you remember is the regurgitated garbage that comes out of the two mods mouths. I'm sure if I repeated the same lie over and over again for years, somebody here who wasn't around for the original moment would just get the same ignorance stuck into their noggin aswell.

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But, you do you. You have exactly 0 receipts of me claiming he will be a bust or wont work out. But continue being wrong, you always are.

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Very fitting for you to claim you have "evidence" or "Receipts" only to link us a deleted thread. Almost like a Metaphore for how much of a liar you are.. Or maybe it's the dimentia.

Your words:

It really blows that we have to go into the offseason with very little hope. I thought maybe Lawrence would at least show some signs of being that guy throughout an entire 17 game season but I have no faith. Only thing I can think of at this point is if we overhaul the offense with star wrs/linemen in free agency and hope that it actually makes a difference in this guys play enough to be a competent team.

Thread opens fine for me


You can TRY to keep just lying about what happened and hope ppl will forget or not bother to demonstrate how you are clearly 100% full of [BLEEP], but don't worry. I'll continue to make sure you're actual craptastic takes live on.

My words yes, but what did they mean?

According to you: I claimed he was a bust, had no faith in him ever becoming good, and just hate Trevor Lawrence.

According to me, and anyone who can read: We were in a thread talking about how we felt about the upcoming season and yes, I had no faith in our team for 2022 and Trevor did us no favors in that regard because he was horrendus in 2021, regardless of the reasoning.. You all can blame Urban, the WRs, the O line.. whatever it is.. but the fact is he played piss poor football that year and it left no hope for the following season.

Let's take a look at why his performance didn't exactly give me a raging boner for the upcoming season shall we.

Interception #1 Rolls out of the pocket, throws on the run and throws the ball so high over the WRs head that he couldn't get close to it even jumping. 
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Clearly Lawrence but you can dispute if you like.

Interception #2 He stood in the pocket, fired the ball towards the sideline WR who not only had a DB right ontop of him, but happened to have one directly infront of him
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Clearly Lawrence, and no dispute is to be had on this one, it was awful

Interception #3 In fairness to Trevor, the pocket was collapsing.. however the throw was absurdly bad, he threw it to two texans defenders whilst also having a wide open WR had he thrown it further
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? I mean i'll be fair and say it was caused by pressure, tho he shouldn't have forced this.. 

Interception #4 Nice pocket awareness and foot work, stepped up and fired an extremely late pass on an out route, that's a no no in the NFL but it's something he did often in college.. only difference is in college you can get away with it sometimes.
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Lawrence 100%, but this I will attribute to him being a rookie who just hadn't learned yet.

Interception #5 Deep pass down the sideline, this is the first int of his rookie season where I wont complain too much. Low effort by the WR, the pass was underthrown for sure tho
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevors, it was 1st down and the WR was blanketed, no need for that deep shot. 

Interception #6 This one was 1000% the fault of the receiver, bounced off his hands
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Not Trevor

Interception #6 The infamous flea flicker, where Trevor decided to throw a slow lofting pass to the check down, it was ugly.
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor made a really stupid decision, but I'll put the blame on Urban for calling a flea flicker, dumb play considering we have no burners at WR

Interception #7 This was awful, however I wont blame him because time was running out in the half and it appeared nobody was open
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? I'm not gonna blame him for this one, but he definitely could have given one of the WRs a better chance at the ball his placement was horrible.

Interception #8 This was awful, he had 2 defenders trailing his WR by 3-5 yards and somehow underthrew it so bad that the defenders behind his intended WR had to slow down/stop to pick the ball off
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor 

Interception #9 Bad pass into double coverage, not much else to say. 
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor.

Interception #10 This one was controversial at the time, because watching this play in live-time it appears that the WR let the ball bounce off his hands, and get tip-drill picked off behind him. However if you watch this from another angle, the WR had a slight step on the defender and Lawrence simply threw it behind him
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Lawrence

Interception #11 Threw it directly to the LBer standing infront of him, it was just bad
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor

Interception #12 Yet another example of him being dreadfully terrible when he rolls out to his left to throw, undershot the WR
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor

Interception #13 Another pass thrown directly to the defender, WR had 0 chance to grab the ball. 
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor

Interception #14 Bounced off the WRs hands, could have thrown the ball to be more catchable but I wont blame him for this one
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Butter finger runningback

Interception #15 Another throw directly to the defense, dude was triple covered.. dumb decision
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Lawrence

Interception #16 ANOTHER throw directly to a linebacker starring him in the face, the WR was behind him this throw should never be made unless the QB is blind.

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Your words:


Thread opens fine for me


You can TRY to keep just lying about what happened and hope ppl will forget or not bother to demonstrate how you are clearly 100% full of [BLEEP], but don't worry. I'll continue to make sure you're actual craptastic takes live on.

My words yes, but what did they mean?

According to you: I claimed he was a bust, had no faith in him ever becoming good, and just hate Trevor Lawrence.

According to me, and anyone who can read: We were in a thread talking about how we felt about the upcoming season and yes, I had no faith in our team for 2022 and Trevor did us no favors in that regard because he was horrendus in 2021, regardless of the reasoning.. You all can blame Urban, the WRs, the O line.. whatever it is.. but the fact is he played piss poor football that year and it left no hope for the following season.

Let's take a look at why his performance didn't exactly give me a raging boner for the upcoming season shall we.

Interception #1 Rolls out of the pocket, throws on the run and throws the ball so high over the WRs head that he couldn't get close to it even jumping. 
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Clearly Lawrence but you can dispute if you like.

Interception #2 He stood in the pocket, fired the ball towards the sideline WR who not only had a DB right ontop of him, but happened to have one directly infront of him
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Clearly Lawrence, and no dispute is to be had on this one, it was awful

Interception #3 In fairness to Trevor, the pocket was collapsing.. however the throw was absurdly bad, he threw it to two texans defenders whilst also having a wide open WR had he thrown it further
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? I mean i'll be fair and say it was caused by pressure, tho he shouldn't have forced this.. 

Interception #4 Nice pocket awareness and foot work, stepped up and fired an extremely late pass on an out route, that's a no no in the NFL but it's something he did often in college.. only difference is in college you can get away with it sometimes.
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Lawrence 100%, but this I will attribute to him being a rookie who just hadn't learned yet.

Interception #5 Deep pass down the sideline, this is the first int of his rookie season where I wont complain too much. Low effort by the WR, the pass was underthrown for sure tho
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevors, it was 1st down and the WR was blanketed, no need for that deep shot. 

Interception #6 This one was 1000% the fault of the receiver, bounced off his hands
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Not Trevor

Interception #6 The infamous flea flicker, where Trevor decided to throw a slow lofting pass to the check down, it was ugly.
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor made a really stupid decision, but I'll put the blame on Urban for calling a flea flicker, dumb play considering we have no burners at WR

Interception #7 This was awful, however I wont blame him because time was running out in the half and it appeared nobody was open
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? I'm not gonna blame him for this one, but he definitely could have given one of the WRs a better chance at the ball his placement was horrible.

Interception #8 This was awful, he had 2 defenders trailing his WR by 3-5 yards and somehow underthrew it so bad that the defenders behind his intended WR had to slow down/stop to pick the ball off
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor 

Interception #9 Bad pass into double coverage, not much else to say. 
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor.

Interception #10 This one was controversial at the time, because watching this play in live-time it appears that the WR let the ball bounce off his hands, and get tip-drill picked off behind him. However if you watch this from another angle, the WR had a slight step on the defender and Lawrence simply threw it behind him
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Lawrence

Interception #11 Threw it directly to the LBer standing infront of him, it was just bad
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor

Interception #12 Yet another example of him being dreadfully terrible when he rolls out to his left to throw, undershot the WR
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor

Interception #13 Another pass thrown directly to the defender, WR had 0 chance to grab the ball. 
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor

Interception #14 Bounced off the WRs hands, could have thrown the ball to be more catchable but I wont blame him for this one
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Butter finger runningback

Interception #15 Another throw directly to the defense, dude was triple covered.. dumb decision
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Lawrence

Interception #16 ANOTHER throw directly to a linebacker starring him in the face, the WR was behind him this throw should never be made unless the QB is blind.

This will be my last time responding to this argument but the bolded is the biggest reason for me that you catch flack.

Yes. Trevor didn't play well in his rookie year. Is anyone denying that? No. Not really. But there was certainly hope when you actually watch how he was reading the field. How he was processing plays. How he showed up time and time again to keep that locker room together when the ADULTS IN THE ROOM were absolute babies. He had to hold this franchise together as a rookie because the HC was THE WORST COACH OF ALL TIME. That's not even an exaggeration. 

With Trevor, there was always hope. Maybe you felt there was no hope and that you were vindicated by your pre-draft assessment but the rest of us, who look at the game through more than stat lines, saw hope. And it's clear now, who was right.

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My words yes, but what did they mean?

According to you: I claimed he was a bust, had no faith in him ever becoming good, and just hate Trevor Lawrence.

According to me, and anyone who can read: We were in a thread talking about how we felt about the upcoming season and yes, I had no faith in our team for 2022 and Trevor did us no favors in that regard because he was horrendus in 2021, regardless of the reasoning.. You all can blame Urban, the WRs, the O line.. whatever it is.. but the fact is he played piss poor football that year and it left no hope for the following season.

Let's take a look at why his performance didn't exactly give me a raging boner for the upcoming season shall we.

Interception #1 Rolls out of the pocket, throws on the run and throws the ball so high over the WRs head that he couldn't get close to it even jumping. 
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Clearly Lawrence but you can dispute if you like.

Interception #2 He stood in the pocket, fired the ball towards the sideline WR who not only had a DB right ontop of him, but happened to have one directly infront of him
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Clearly Lawrence, and no dispute is to be had on this one, it was awful

Interception #3 In fairness to Trevor, the pocket was collapsing.. however the throw was absurdly bad, he threw it to two texans defenders whilst also having a wide open WR had he thrown it further
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? I mean i'll be fair and say it was caused by pressure, tho he shouldn't have forced this.. 

Interception #4 Nice pocket awareness and foot work, stepped up and fired an extremely late pass on an out route, that's a no no in the NFL but it's something he did often in college.. only difference is in college you can get away with it sometimes.
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Lawrence 100%, but this I will attribute to him being a rookie who just hadn't learned yet.

Interception #5 Deep pass down the sideline, this is the first int of his rookie season where I wont complain too much. Low effort by the WR, the pass was underthrown for sure tho
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevors, it was 1st down and the WR was blanketed, no need for that deep shot. 

Interception #6 This one was 1000% the fault of the receiver, bounced off his hands
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Not Trevor

Interception #6 The infamous flea flicker, where Trevor decided to throw a slow lofting pass to the check down, it was ugly.
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor made a really stupid decision, but I'll put the blame on Urban for calling a flea flicker, dumb play considering we have no burners at WR

Interception #7 This was awful, however I wont blame him because time was running out in the half and it appeared nobody was open
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? I'm not gonna blame him for this one, but he definitely could have given one of the WRs a better chance at the ball his placement was horrible.

Interception #8 This was awful, he had 2 defenders trailing his WR by 3-5 yards and somehow underthrew it so bad that the defenders behind his intended WR had to slow down/stop to pick the ball off
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor 

Interception #9 Bad pass into double coverage, not much else to say. 
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor.

Interception #10 This one was controversial at the time, because watching this play in live-time it appears that the WR let the ball bounce off his hands, and get tip-drill picked off behind him. However if you watch this from another angle, the WR had a slight step on the defender and Lawrence simply threw it behind him
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Lawrence

Interception #11 Threw it directly to the LBer standing infront of him, it was just bad
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor

Interception #12 Yet another example of him being dreadfully terrible when he rolls out to his left to throw, undershot the WR
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor

Interception #13 Another pass thrown directly to the defender, WR had 0 chance to grab the ball. 
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Trevor

Interception #14 Bounced off the WRs hands, could have thrown the ball to be more catchable but I wont blame him for this one
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Butter finger runningback

Interception #15 Another throw directly to the defense, dude was triple covered.. dumb decision
Urban/WR/Lawrence, whos fault? Lawrence

Interception #16 ANOTHER throw directly to a linebacker starring him in the face, the WR was behind him this throw should never be made unless the QB is blind.

This will be my last time responding to this argument but the bolded is the biggest reason for me that you catch flack.

Yes. Trevor didn't play well in his rookie year. Is anyone denying that? No. Not really. But there was certainly hope when you actually watch how he was reading the field. How he was processing plays. How he showed up time and time again to keep that locker room together when the ADULTS IN THE ROOM were absolute babies. He had to hold this franchise together as a rookie because the HC was THE WORST COACH OF ALL TIME. That's not even an exaggeration. 

With Trevor, there was always hope. Maybe you felt there was no hope and that you were vindicated by your pre-draft assessment but the rest of us, who look at the game through more than stat lines, saw hope. And it's clear now, who was right.

I agree. Even during that dumpster fire of a year the team had under Meyer. Lawrence showed flashes from time to time. He played well in that Bengals game in primetime. That one throw in particular to Agnew was pretty solid and he was doing the best he could in that game with a recently gained Dan Arnold at TE. He had a good game to close out the year at home against the clots as well when people laughed about his "building momentum" comment going into 2022. He was right. It was good to end a bad year on somewhat of a high note. He also showed some clutch in him against the Dolphins that year with an effort to get them into a winning scoring drive in London. 

As far as last year? I called that [BLEEP] early. I said the team with Pederson and the amount of money and moves they made in the off season would probably get them into a position of winning this division somehow and I wouldn't be shocked if they were like the 1996 team where they started off slow, and, by the time we got into the stretch? They would reel off some wins. Which they did. Lawrence lead some crazy, crazy [BLEEP] games last year to get us into the play-offs. Then he gives us a disaster half of preseason debut with a [BLEEP] masterpiece of a comeback. 

He kept us in that [BLEEP] game too against the Chiefs. There was a lot of blown opportunities there. The Kirk drop and the Agnew fumble being the biggest two. The lack of pass protection being another glaring issue. Lawrence, most of all, kept his head level, kept his spirits up and took everything in stride and on the chin since DAY ONE. DAY [BLEEP] ONE. I had a few moments last year where I was disappointed in him. For sure. I was getting aggravated with the endzone INT's. The one on the road in Philly during the monsoon plus the fumbles. The one at home against the tinhorns sucked and then he did it again against the Broncos in London. That's when I started calling him Sunshine Brett Favre. He has that gunslinger in him. I think towards the end of the season though he got more methodical and less crazy. Then again, he did have that crazy tale of two halves in his play-off debut. LOL.

He ultimately learned from them at the right time or at least learned how to fight his way back at the NFL level. We got ourselves a QB. It's undeniable. It's just a damn shame we pissed away his rookie year, but, we needed that to happen. I bet it allowed Lawrence to learn a lot about the NFL. The high's and low's. We had to literally go through hell with Meyer to potentially walk through a path of gold and victory for the next decade with Pederson. It'll all be worth it if they keep staying above .500 and they win a Superbowl.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Nut hugger.

He's entitled to claim Trevor is good, the nut hugger comment was referring to 3-4 posters in a game day thread who blamed the WR for Trevor throwing the ball about 5 yards too high to be caught that got intercepted.

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Funny how you’re the only one that remembers things the way you do.  Kind of like you’re the one that’s full of [BLEEP], huh?

Perhaps it's because I remember the actual conversations, and the only thing you remember is the regurgitated garbage that comes out of the two mods mouths. I'm sure if I repeated the same lie over and over again for years, somebody here who wasn't around for the original moment would just get the same ignorance stuck into their noggin aswell.

Or perhaps you’re just too big of a loser to admit you were wrong.  That option has my vote.  But keep clinging on.

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Wow, there is some serious dead zone debate going on around these parts.

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Your words:


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You can TRY to keep just lying about what happened and hope ppl will forget or not bother to demonstrate how you are clearly 100% full of [BLEEP], but don't worry. I'll continue to make sure you're actual craptastic takes live on.

My words yes, but what did they mean?

According to you: I claimed he was a bust, had no faith in him ever becoming good, and just hate Trevor Lawrence.

According to me, and anyone who can read: We were in a thread talking about how we felt about the upcoming season and yes, I had no faith in our team for 2022 and Trevor did us no favors in that regard because he was horrendus in 2021, regardless of the reasoning.. You all can blame Urban, the WRs, the O line.. whatever it is.. but the fact is he played piss poor football that year and it left no hope for the following season.

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You said "I have no faith" that he would be "that guy".  "That guy" doesn't mean "good next season".  It means "our QB until the wheels come off." You know that, I know that.  Then you said you "hope that it actually makes a difference" when a new coach and some new players on offense are brought in. But these are uncertain words, and next to the more absolute "I have no faith" statement, this says you saw a small chance things will improve, but more likely they won't, and even if they do, you would credit the new coach and the new players more than Trevor.

Anyhow all you have to do is roll over and admit you were wrong about Trevor every time someone brings up these posts.  You aren't the only person who thought Trevor was a bust. But you are the only person still trying to say "but I was right to think he was a bust based on the info at the time!"  Just say you got this one wrong.  Everyone who's been an NFL fan for longer than a month has been wrong about a player or two.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

This [BLEEP] is still going on? Jesus.

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