I'd say Shaun King is a shell of his former self.

 

I think Shaun King ate Brad Johnson

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His film is not that solid, esp this previous year. I see flashes of greatness but not consistency.

His presnap adjustments are good but he also changes to the wrong play a lot of times as well.


I see him throw with anticipation at times, but a majority of the time he is throwing to open guys and not throwing them open.


I see great accuracy at times, but there are also a lot of balls that aren't accurate at all....


I have also seen a lot if check down passes, which wouldn't be a big deal, but considering how open he is use to having his guys it makes me feel he won't throw a ball that is open by NFL standards and become a captain check down if forced to start right away....

How can you POSSIBLY know this?!?

 

To know this, you'd have to, at minimum, know:

 

1)  Exactly which play was called, including applicable blocking schemes, route combinations, and reads;

 

2)  Exactly what the defense was showing pre-snap...what keys the defense showed to trigger the audible;

 

3)  The audibles available to him-whether pre-set or whether he is fee to choose whatever play he wanted given the personnel.

 

4)  Exactly what play the audible switched to, including applicable blocking schemes, route combinations, and reads;

 

5)  Whether the defense remained the same or switched in response to the audible;

 

6)  Exactly what play the defense switched to, including line action, potential blitzes, underneath coverages, etc.

 

I don't know how you can know any of this without knowing at least one of the playbooks.

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So Teddy should go to work at the local IGA and throw paper towel rolls in the back room?

 

No.

 

He should continue to prepare for individual workouts with teams and prepare to be drafted as he was prior to this Pro Day.

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The monkey is just regurgitating crap he's heard from other posters....with the rare occasion of pulling some totally false and ignorant statement out of his butt....pretty much wasted keystrokes.

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If that RV sales place wants Tebow in Jax bad enough to take out a billboard saying as much.....they should just HIRE him.

You don't throw out 3 years worth of film because of one solid, but not spectacular workout. Neither should you do the same for one great workout.

Wrong. It was "at best, average".

 

It confirms so many small details that not even a tsunami of Teddy PR is going to fix it.

 

He's not elite. Don't draft him in the top ten. Maybe not even the first round.

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Wrong. It was "at best, average".

 

It confirms so many small details that not even a tsunami of Teddy PR is going to fix it.

 

He's not elite. Don't draft him in the top ten. Maybe not even the first round.

 

Did Teddy steal your girl or what?  lol

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What of guys who don't have pro days?


Certainly if a guy who had an average pro day has red flags, then certainly a QB who didn't have a Pro Day is doomed to fail, right?


Sincerely,


Kurt Warner

That's taking a pretty extreme view of a fairly innocuous statement.


Some red flags = failure


I don't believe that's what I said or even implied.

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"Jungle Cat" has to be Dexter right? Earthquake machine and all??

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That's taking a pretty extreme view of a fairly innocuous statement.


Some red flags = failure


I don't believe that's what I said or even implied.

Reread what I wrote.

 

Re: Bridgewater, I said average Pro Day workout =red flags...no Pro Day workout=doomed to fail.

 

That is not the same as charging you with saying some red flags=failure.

 

That said, if those of you mentioning the red flags are not associating it with at minimum diminished prospects of future NFL QB success, then why mention them at all?

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Reread what I wrote.


Re: Bridgewater, I said average Pro Day workout =red flags...no Pro Day workout=doomed to fail.


That is not the same as charging you with saying some red flags=failure.


That said, if those of you mentioning the red flags are not associating it with at minimum diminished prospects of future NFL QB success, then why mention them at all?

SOME red flags would certainly be raised in my opinion.


He's throwing in an environment that he should be able to show off his skills. The best I have heard his workout described is average. The only way I wouldn't see that affecting his draft status is if a team had no questions about him. An average to bad workout would sure not give me the warm fuzzies if I went in hoping to see some questions answered.


Listen, I don't care who we draft if Caldwell and Co. think he's the guy. But to say (as some people have) that a poor pro day workout will have NO effect is being a bit naive...or have already made up their mind(s) on a player.

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His film is not that solid, esp this previous year. I see flashes of greatness but not consistency.

His presnap adjustments are good but he also changes to the wrong play a lot of times as well.


I see him throw with anticipation at times, but a majority of the time he is throwing to open guys and not throwing them open.


I see great accuracy at times, but there are also a lot of balls that aren't accurate at all....


I have also seen a lot if check down passes, which wouldn't be a big deal, but considering how open he is use to having his guys it makes me feel he won't throw a ball that is open by NFL standards and become a captain check down if forced to start right away....


 

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How can you POSSIBLY know this?!? (referring to the part in bold)

 

To know this, you'd have to, at minimum, know:

 

1)  Exactly which play was called, including applicable blocking schemes, route combinations, and reads;

 

2)  Exactly what the defense was showing pre-snap...what keys the defense showed to trigger the audible;

 

3)  The audibles available to him-whether pre-set or whether he is fee to choose whatever play he wanted given the personnel.

 

4)  Exactly what play the audible switched to, including applicable blocking schemes, route combinations, and reads;

 

5)  Whether the defense remained the same or switched in response to the audible;

 

6)  Exactly what play the defense switched to, including line action, potential blitzes, underneath coverages, etc.

 

I don't know how you can know any of this without knowing at least one of the playbooks.

 

I know because on the video(s) I can see him changing the play at the line of scrimmage. You know talking to his O-line and other teammates and pointing out stuff in the defense........

 

Why would I need to know the playbook to know whether or not he is changing the play/ or at the very least doing dummy calls? Like I said sometimes he does this and it works out perfectly, and other times it doesn't.

 

 

By the way this is considered as one his strengths by various members of this board. They will point out that he is great in his pre-snap reads and adjustments (i.e. audibles) to put his team in the best play possible. So the question I have is if they can see that on the video, how come I can't see the negatives of this on video????

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I know because on the video(s) I can see him changing the play at the line of scrimmage. You know talking to his O-line and other teammates and pointing out stuff in the defense........

 

Why would I need to know the playbook to know whether or not he is changing the play/ or at the very least doing dummy calls? Like I said sometimes he does this and it works out perfectly, and other times it doesn't.

 

 

By the way this is considered as one his strengths by various members of this board. They will point out that he is great in his pre-snap reads and adjustments (i.e. audibles) to put his team in the best play possible. So the question I have is if they can see that on the video, how come I can't see the negatives of this on video????

 

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I'm not questioning whether you know if he audibled.

 

I'm questioning how in the world you would know he audibled into the wrong play.

 

Huge difference.

 

Furthermore, just because an audibled play doesn't work out doesn't, standing alone, mean the QB making the audible changed to the wrong play. 

 

There could be an instance like what happened in Pittsburgh in 1997 where Brunell audibled a goal line run from the right to the left and James Stewart missed the audible.

 

There could be an instance where a player or players don't execute properly.

 

There could be a penalty that negates the play.

 

You can't simply look at the results and assume a guy audibled into a wrong play.

 

As to your closing question, I can't make that determination watching his games.  However, when experienced analysts and former NFL QB and coaches like Kurt Warner, Brian Billick and Bill Parcells are all on record lauding his football knowledge and the way he processes defenses, and those opinions are supported by his coaches and opponents alike, you can go along with that rather safe consensus.

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He'll show us all at the Combine, they said.


He'll show us all at his Pro Day, they said.


Now what? Gloves? Really?


Dude is Lon Chaney as the<a class="bbc_url" href='http://youtu.be/A9bobXKRssg?t=1h45m6s'> </a><a class="bbc_url" href='http://youtu.be/A9bobXKRssg?t=1h45m6s'>Phantom of the Opera</a>.


In the end, he's got nothing in his hand and the joke's on you.

Who said that? Anyone who likes Teddy as a prospect does so based on actual in game performance.

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There's no QB in this draft that has Gabbert's physical tools, so why does it matter?

 

It matters because if he nor none of the other qbs have even as much talent as Gabbert, Jags should not spend a 1st round pick on them.

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It matters because if he nor none of the other qbs have even as much talent as Gabbert, Jags should not spend a 1st round pick on them.

Child please. Most of the starters in the league don't have Gabbert's physical tools. I'll take the guy who may have the weaker arm and the smaller frame, but still makes big plays when the team needs him to over Chicken Little Gabbert every single day of the week.

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I know because on the video(s) I can see him changing the play at the line of scrimmage. You know talking to his O-line and other teammates and pointing out stuff in the defense........

 

Why would I need to know the playbook to know whether or not he is changing the play/ or at the very least doing dummy calls? Like I said sometimes he does this and it works out perfectly, and other times it doesn't.

 

 

By the way this is considered as one his strengths by various members of this board. They will point out that he is great in his pre-snap reads and adjustments (i.e. audibles) to put his team in the best play possible. So the question I have is if they can see that on the video, how come I can't see the negatives of this on video????

 

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You sort of didn't address at all what he asked, but whatever.  lol

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I'm not questioning whether you know if he audibled.

 

I'm questioning how in the world you would know he audibled into the wrong play.

 

Huge difference.

 

Furthermore, just because an audibled play doesn't work out doesn't, standing alone, mean the QB making the audible changed to the wrong play. 

 

There could be an instance like what happened in Pittsburgh in 1997 where Brunell audibled a goal line run from the right to the left and James Stewart missed the audible.

 

There could be an instance where a player or players don't execute properly.

 

There could be a penalty that negates the play.

 

You can't simply look at the results and assume a guy audibled into a wrong play.

 

As to your closing question, I can't make that determination watching his games.  However, when experienced analysts and former NFL QB and coaches like Kurt Warner, Brian Billick and Bill Parcells are all on record lauding his football knowledge and the way he processes defenses, and those opinions are supported by his coaches and opponents alike, you can go along with that rather safe consensus.

 

The stuff you are saying about me not knowing he changed to the wrong play can be said for those plays he makes correctly even when analyst point out he made the right play.

 

i.e. there could be a problem with execution by the defense, etc

 

I do know one thing if he audibles the original play that is called as the leader of the team and the guy calling the play, the execution or lack there of is on him, just like the glory of doing it correctly will be credited to him.....

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Although I agree that games matter most, it is concerning that he wasn't able to showcase a single impressive or elite trait during this process.

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Although I agree that games matter most, it is concerning that he wasn't able to showcase a single impressive or elite trait during this process.

 

To be fair, his best traits have been touted as pocket presence and the mental aspect of his game, which can't be shown off at a pro day.  But I agree, I was hoping it would have gone better.

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Yeah once every 20 years

So Warner 2 years prior being undrafted doesnt count?

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