Brandon Scherff...

He's either playing poorly because he's injured...or he is simply not as good as advertised.    Our rookie isn't the only O-Lineman consistently getting pushed backwards. 

I wasn't a fan of Brandon's last year, and we found out it was due to an injury. (allegedly)
This year, once again I'm not a fan.  We need to draft two offensive linemen going forward.

Scherff is like Linden was the last 2-3 years of his career. Just mailing it in, struggling with injuries. He signed with the Jags for a final payday.

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The offensive line is clearly the team's greatest weakness. I'd make a call to Dalton Risner, who is still available.

As long as he doesn't shove Trevor like he did Rypien, I'm all for it.

Why did he shove Rypien? Was Rypien rippin' farts in the locker room?

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"I am only an average man, but by George, I work harder at it than the average man." - Teddy Roosevelt

2 weeks till we get our walking wounded back and 4 till Cam can play

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Not addressing the interior of the line was my main concern for this season. 
Scherff is on the decline and last year he managed to have a full season in quite some time but injury wise you expect him to miss some time here and there.
Fortner needed to improve badly.
Bartch had a season ending injury and he wasn't like an all-pro before that. Shatley is a decent versatile back up but certainly not someone you want to play often.

No idea why they didn't address it with the boatload of picks we had instead of going for backup RB's and rotational TEs (I like Strange but that's not the point here, protecting Trevor and building the OL is way more important).

A lot of dlines will give big troubles to our OL.

I know help is not on the way but if this staff is serious about wanting to contend comes January I hope they find a way to make a couple of moves.
We need a Marcell Dareus trade kind of move before the deadline in my opionion. Not many quality OL guys that will likely be available for cheap but OL is the one things we absolutely need to protect Trevor longterm and have this offense function. 
In the playoffs every DL would feast on this OL group the way it's playing right now. 

Maybe Cam Robinson coming up with Little sliding at G could help some but I still feel like looking for outside help could be the best move.
Not that I expect that to happen after the way they basically ignored the position in the offfseason.

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O cyrus Torrence sure would look good on this oline right now.

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So..in 4 weeks....

Cam, Little, Fortner, Barch, Harrison

IMO those are the best starting 5...and moving Bartch to Scherff's spot would be an upgrade. Neither should start at RG though. Both are quality backups.

The Titans defense line might eat Trevor alive.

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Brandon Scherff is no longer that dude.   Next season I want him gone.

So..in 4 weeks....

Cam, Little, Fortner, Barch, Harrison

IMO those are the best starting 5...and moving Bartch to Scherff's spot would be an upgrade.  Neither should start at RG though.  Both are quality backups.

The Titans defense line might eat Trevor alive.

Bartch is not better than Scherff

Bartch is part of the problem

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So..in 4 weeks....

Cam, Little, Fortner, Barch, Harrison

IMO those are the best starting 5...and moving Bartch to Scherff's spot would be an upgrade.  Neither should start at RG though.  Both are quality backups.

The Titans defense line might eat Trevor alive.

Bartch is not better than Scherff

Bartch is part of the problem

Agreed. If this is the line-up I would say it's Fortner and Bartch as the weakest links. Maybe rotate Scherff and Bartch if possible on a certain series to mix it up but they really should move some things around before they ship out to London this week to acquire another decent starting caliber Center or Guard. Risner is out there. He's a flexible player across the line if I am not mistaken.

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Bartch is not better than Scherff

Bartch is part of the problem

Agreed. If this is the line-up I would say it's Fortner and Bartch as the weakest links. Maybe rotate Scherff and Bartch if possible on a certain series to mix it up but they really should move some things around before they ship out to London this week to acquire another decent starting caliber Center or Guard. Risner is out there. He's a flexible player across the line if I am not mistaken.

I'd be looking to roll out :

Robinson - Little -  Fortner (on a short leash!) - RG COMPETITION  - Harrison

I'd have Shatley and Williams getting snaps this week at Center and right guard while Fortner and Scherff heal up.

I'd also throw Hance and anyone they can find into the RG competition at this point. Be ready if one of these guys either goes down or continues to play like a turnstile. Pull the trigger and put some fresh blood out there instead of watching a train wreck for 4 quarters. 

Trevor isn't going to make it through the season getting pummeled that often each week. And we see how it has neutered the offense.

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I doubt it happens but I'd like to see

Little-Harrison-Shatley-Scherrf-Cam

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Little has been pretty good. When Cam comes back move him to lg. He'd probably be dominant at that position. Harrison will improve with reps.

C and RG we'll have to make due until we can address in off-season. I think fortnee can still improve so I wouldn't write him off just yet. Scherff can't stay healthy and isn't the player he used to be. Csn hope he regains his form as season progresses but theyll definitely need to address in off-season

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I wouldnt be so quick to declare the OLine fixed just because Robinson is returning in 2 weeks. Post-PED Cam may be a lesser version of PED Cam. Didnt look very good in preseason.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

TL sacks.

11:24 Q1, Jones runs around Harrison and flushes TL forward and into the arms waiting DL.
4:04 Q2, Jones runs around Harrison and gets TL solo.
4:41 Q4, Jones runs around Harrison and get TL in a share, maybe. Or they may give him that solo.

Additionally Jones knocked down a pass running around Harrison.

Jones picked on the new guy.

so you're telling me the season vet who is one of the best at his job did exactly as he was expected to do, and a rookie tackle in his second game did exactly as he was expected to do as well?

Astonishing.

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Remind me again why we drafted a RB in the 3rd?

Because the board was running short of misdirected knee-jerk reactions?

Game was not lost because of who we did or did not pick in the third. But if you need a scapegoat, have at it.

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I wouldnt be so quick to declare the OLine fixed just because Robinson is returning in 2 weeks. Post-PED Cam may be a lesser version of PED Cam. Didnt look very good in preseason.

Fair point. They knew LG was a weak spot though going into camp. That's why they were giving Little some looks at that spot. Just feels reckless from a roster management standpoint.

Did we really think drafting just one RT on the opening night of the draft and then waiting all the way until RD7 to take another tackle was going to resolve their issues?

It's a gross oversight at this point.

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TL sacks.

11:24 Q1, Jones runs around Harrison and flushes TL forward and into the arms waiting DL.
4:04 Q2, Jones runs around Harrison and gets TL solo.
4:41 Q4, Jones runs around Harrison and get TL in a share, maybe. Or they may give him that solo.

Additionally Jones knocked down a pass running around Harrison.

Jones picked on the new guy.

so you're telling me the season vet who is one of the best at his job did exactly as he was expected to do, and a rookie tackle in his second game did exactly as he was expected to do as well?

Astonishing.

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Remind me again why we drafted a RB in the 3rd?

Because the board was running short of misdirected knee-jerk reactions?

Game was not lost because of who we did or did not pick in the third. But if you need a scapegoat, have at it.

Bigsby having one or two snaps yesterday was a bit of a head scratcher. On a busted play anyway due to poor pass protection. Lawrence tried to flick it to him before eating [BLEEP] ultimately.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I'm going to hash out some armchair analysis of this OL going series by series between spurts of work today:

1st SERIES:

• Bartch run block loss (1 yard gain by ETN could have been 4 or 5) 
  
• screen 
  
• Quick hitter to the sticks - Bartch bull rushed back to Trevor who has just enough time to get throw out (Harrison beat as well)
  
• quick hitter TE screen (Engram) good second level block from Harrison
  
• decent blocks against stacked box - 4 yards by a grinding ETN
  
• line holds up enough to get a pass off to Ridley - ball is dropped
  
• 3rd and 6 - sack - Harrison got beat, Fortner got beat, Bartch got beat - all of them easily and quickly beaten
  

So on only 2 plays out of 7 was this line asked to hold up for more than 1.5 seconds. 
They held for 2 seconds in time for a dropped ball and then got Trevor sacked immediately following in only 2.2 seconds. 
ONLY TWO out of seven plays did they actually need to traditionally pass protect (not a quick release) and they only managed one. 
No blitz. 
Just 4 rushers on 5 linemen. 

SECOND SERIES:

• Derek Nnadi pushes Bartch back into Trevor's lap and swats the pass down
  
• Fortner/Lawerence not on same page - Fortner snaps when TL not looking for it - busted play incomplete
  
• Quick pass to Ridley incomplete (PI non-call) Harrison was pushed into Trevor's throwing lane 
  
• punt
  

THIRD SERIES:

• run play left - nothing there - Barcth got stood up everyone else stonewalled
  
• RB2a (Johnson)  lined up wide and moves the chains sitting down short against off man cvrg - then churning toward the sticks - Scherff was beaten and Harrison was man handled backward - TL just gets it off
  
• Short run right by ETN - LB from far side shoots thru to get him before he can make something of it 
  
• quick release with Harrison being pushed into him again - misses slant to Engram by a foot - led him off the fingertips
  
• Lawrence intermediate down the sideline to Ridley - dropped pass - but PI on defense - line held up fine for the 2.2 seconds required
  
• Outside zone run attempt - Fortner's guy penetrates immediately and forces ETN wider than first cut back lane - Harrison and Scherff don't hold up - no where to go
  
• Quick release -  little out route to Engram gets near the sticks
  
• 3rd and 2 -  Little gets beat quick and Lawrence has no time to look at 2nd or 3rd read - (Engram was open on second read) - throws to first read Kirk - and DB makes good play to keep him short of 1st down
  
• punt
  

 

OK- first three series 
Of the 19 plays - we had:

3 run plays negatively affected by bad blocking 
4 pass plays negatively affected by bad blocking
1 bad snap / busted play 

Are we OK with 35% of plays from the LOS being botched by the OL to start a game? 

I'll try to get through more series whenever I have time.

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I wouldnt be so quick to declare the OLine fixed just because Robinson is returning in 2 weeks. Post-PED Cam may be a lesser version of PED Cam. Didnt look very good in preseason.

He sucked on 30% of his snaps last year. Nothing new. I expect he'll suck at a similar rate if not more. 

He did look pretty good in preseason to me after the slow start, but... you know... back ups etc.

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So..in 4 weeks....

Cam, Little, Fortner, Barch, Harrison

IMO those are the best starting 5...and moving Bartch to Scherff's spot would be an upgrade.  Neither should start at RG though.  Both are quality backups.

The Titans defense line might eat Trevor alive.

Bartch is not better than Scherff

Bartch is part of the problem

I think there’s a case to be made for starting Shatley over Fortner. Fortner is our worst graded lineman.


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Fix the O-Line!

I'm going to hash out some armchair analysis of this OL going series by series between spurts of work today:

1st SERIES:

• Bartch run block loss (1 yard gain by ETN could have been 4 or 5) 
  
• screen 
  
• Quick hitter to the sticks - Bartch bull rushed back to Trevor who has just enough time to get throw out (Harrison beat as well)
  
• quick hitter TE screen (Engram) good second level block from Harrison
  
• decent blocks against stacked box - 4 yards by a grinding ETN
  
• line holds up enough to get a pass off to Ridley - ball is dropped
  
• 3rd and 6 - sack - Harrison got beat, Fortner got beat, Bartch got beat - all of them easily and quickly beaten
  

So on only 2 plays out of 7 was this line asked to hold up for more than 1.5 seconds. 
They held for 2 seconds in time for a dropped ball and then got Trevor sacked immediately following in only 2.2 seconds. 
ONLY TWO out of seven plays did they actually need to traditionally pass protect (not a quick release) and they only managed one. 
No blitz. 
Just 4 rushers on 5 linemen. 

SECOND SERIES:

• Derek Nnadi pushes Bartch back into Trevor's lap and swats the pass down
  
• Fortner/Lawerence not on same page - Fortner snaps when TL not looking for it - busted play incomplete
  
• Quick pass to Ridley incomplete (PI non-call) Harrison was pushed into Trevor's throwing lane 
  
• punt
  

THIRD SERIES:

• run play left - nothing there - Barcth got stood up everyone else stonewalled
  
• RB2a (Johnson)  lined up wide and moves the chains sitting down short against off man cvrg - then churning toward the sticks - Scherff was beaten and Harrison was man handled backward - TL just gets it off
  
• Short run right by ETN - LB from far side shoots thru to get him before he can make something of it 
  
• quick release with Harrison being pushed into him again - misses slant to Engram by a foot - led him off the fingertips
  
• Lawrence intermediate down the sideline to Ridley - dropped pass - but PI on defense - line held up fine for the 2.2 seconds required
  
• Outside zone run attempt - Fortner's guy penetrates immediately and forces ETN wider than first cut back lane - Harrison and Scherff don't hold up - no where to go
  
• Quick release -  little out route to Engram gets near the sticks
  
• 3rd and 2 -  Little gets beat quick and Lawrence has no time to look at 2nd or 3rd read - (Engram was open on second read) - throws to first read Kirk - and DB makes good play to keep him short of 1st down
  
• punt
  

 

OK- first three series 
Of the 18 plays the OL could have real impact, we had:

3 run plays negatively affected by bad blocking 
4 pass plays negatively affected by bad blocking
1 bad snap / busted play 

Are we OK with 39% of plays from the LOS being botched by the OL to start a game? 

I'll try to get through more series whenever I have time.

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I wouldnt be so quick to declare the OLine fixed just because Robinson is returning in 2 weeks. Post-PED Cam may be a lesser version of PED Cam. Didnt look very good in preseason.

He sucked on 30% of his snaps last year. Nothing new. I expect he'll suck at a similar rate if not more. 

He did look pretty good in preseason to me after the slow start, but... you know... back ups etc.

All the more reason I feel to start favoring twin TE sets, and motion blockers in and out of the backfield to help in the running game earlier on being apart of the script. 

If that's the best they can do we're in trouble. I'll wait when you break more down but in particular I want to see what you see when they had the TE's pulling around and helping inside. 

I swear, the few times I caught it in motion Etienne was picking up 5-6 YPC and it's possible they could get more out of that with him finding daylight or breaking a tackle down the road.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I don’t remember seeing Strange yesterday. Did he play?

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The crazy thing about those 19 plays I tried to break down - 7 of them were quick hitters/fast release designs.
So the OC is already trying to mitigate the poor protection, but it isn't enough.

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https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...17312?s=20

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https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1703874850253635789?s=20

Risner signing in Minn.

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