I really get them wanting to load up on skill positions. But better long term success would have been had by upgrading the OL.

On the other hand, cheap pay for the QB is running out “ahead of schedule” due to the lost year under Urban.


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Lawrence contract is gonna be HUGE!

Not sure why their waiting still....

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I really get them wanting to load up on skill positions. But better long term success would have been had by upgrading the OL.

On the other hand, cheap pay for the QB is running out “ahead of schedule” due to the lost year under Urban.


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Lawrence contract is gonna be HUGE!

Not sure why their waiting still....

They are not allowed to re-up until after this season contractually

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Not sure. I didn't realize how young he is though. He's 38 years old. Prior to 2021 he was just an assistant coach. His first up to bat as an actual positional coach was in 2021 with the Vikings and then came here last year in 2022 with Pederson. 

For me, I think it boils down to the development of Fortner and Harrison. Fortner so far has yet to really show he's learned much or developed much strength from his rookie year into just two weeks of his second season. Harrison obviously still has the jury out on him for a year or two.

Same can technically be said for Fortner I guess. Robinson, Little & Bartch were already here. Scherff was also a proven veteran with a well established history of being competent and also injury prone. 

So far, it's like we've asked the guy to make magic out of lunchmeat. Whether we like it or not, it has been the one group on this football team that has honestly received the least amount of prioritization. There probably should have been a serious push to recruit or sign up a long term veteran at Center. 

Fortner, again, he only had one year of experience as a Center coming out of college. He could have been a decent Guard maybe to fill in for Bartch. Maybe we'll get better play with Robinson back at LT and Little being moved to LG or RT. We just won't know until guys get back and get healthier. 

I think that's the biggest thing. This entire line is dumpy when it comes to injuries.

I dont know about this.  We brought in Scherff who we made the highest paid G a couple of years ago when we brought him in, he a former All Pro.  Little was drafted in the 2nd  a couple years ago.  Cam is a 2nd round pick we signed to a nice contract.  Drafted Fortner 2 years ago with the first pick in the 3rd round. Bartch is a 4th round pick and we just drafted a tackle with our first round pick this year.  We have spent resorces on oline they just arent very good outside of Little.

Scherff got fat and happy after signing here. Guy is Andrew Norwell 2.0 and if he keeps playing like he has been, I could see them moving him if the cap hit isn't too steep. We need to try again at C, maybe Fortner gets stronger in year 3 but as of now, still a liability. When Robinson gets back I hope they move him inside(or Little) and it helps our line with either Bartch or Fortner sitting. I would much rather see Little/Robinson/Shatley/Scherff/Harrison as those are likely our best 5.

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It would seem that Baalke has slightly over prioritized the playmakers and under prioritized the O-Line. Strange and Bigsby are fine but a big nasty guard would sit well with me.

Maybe even two

I'm on record wanting O'Cyrus Torrence with our second round pick.  I know it's early and hopefully Strange will become a good long term player for us.  However, through two games, he doesn't have a single reception.  I'm sure he's contributing some as a blocker, but wouldn't Torrence have contributed much much more to our blocking efforts?

I’m certainly on board with standing pat in the 2nd and taking Torrence. But Baalke didn’t see it that way.

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Im afraid i didnt pay a lot of attention to the team thru the preseaon and the first game, so i have to ask: how does an offensive line become a MASH unit in week 2? I am guessing that a Coughlin-style camp wasnt the cause since the CBA pretty much forbids that. Appreciate the catch up.

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Im afraid i didnt pay a lot of attention to the team thru the preseaon and the first game, so i have to ask: how does an offensive line become a MASH unit in week 2? I am guessing that a Coughlin-style camp wasnt the cause since the CBA pretty much forbids that. Appreciate the catch up.

Injury bug bit 

Just crap luck

Scherff stays injured - has been his deal his whole career
Fortner was banged up in week one game
Harrison hurt his shoulder in a preseason game IIRC

Truth be told - Fortner and Bartch were going to struggle regardless, but maybe there's still a glimmer of hope for Fortner to level up - he sucked in week one, sucked in week two and played a little bit better week three.

Harrison is going to alternate between solid and "rookie moments"

Scherff plays well below his contract when hurt

Little is the only dependable player on the line ATM

maybe a week 5 lineup of CAM R/LITTLE//FORTNER/SCHERFF/HARRISON will help a bit.

I'd go ahead and yank Bartch this week and play Shatley at LG on a wing and a prayer. Unlikely to be any worse.

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Im afraid i didnt pay a lot of attention to the team thru the preseaon and the first game, so i have to ask: how does an offensive line become a MASH unit in week 2? I am guessing that a Coughlin-style camp wasnt the cause since the CBA pretty much forbids that. Appreciate the catch up.

Injury bug bit 

Just crap luck

Scherff stays injured - has been his deal his whole career
Fortner was banged up in week one game
Harrison hurt his shoulder in a preseason game IIRC

Truth be told - Fortner and Bartch were going to struggle regardless, but maybe there's still a glimmer of hope for Fortner to level up - he sucked in week one, sucked in week two and played a little bit better week three.

Harrison is going to alternate between solid and "rookie moments"

Scherff plays well below his contract when hurt

Little is the only dependable player on the line ATM

maybe a week 5 lineup of  CAM R/LITTLE//FORTNER/SCHERFF/HARRISON will help a bit.

I'd go ahead and yank Bartch this week and play Shatley at LG on a wing and a prayer. Unlikely to be any worse.

agreed.  After this week we get everyone back IF they are healthy.  Also note Scherff's backup is a Tugboat. I am hoping he can spell Scherff enough to let him heal up.

We also have the opportunity to get DaVon Hamilton back.

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Injury bug bit 

Just crap luck

Scherff stays injured - has been his deal his whole career
Fortner was banged up in week one game
Harrison hurt his shoulder in a preseason game IIRC

Truth be told - Fortner and Bartch were going to struggle regardless, but maybe there's still a glimmer of hope for Fortner to level up - he sucked in week one, sucked in week two and played a little bit better week three.

Harrison is going to alternate between solid and "rookie moments"

Scherff plays well below his contract when hurt

Little is the only dependable player on the line ATM

maybe a week 5 lineup of  CAM R/LITTLE//FORTNER/SCHERFF/HARRISON will help a bit.

I'd go ahead and yank Bartch this week and play Shatley at LG on a wing and a prayer. Unlikely to be any worse.

agreed.  After this week we get everyone back IF they are healthy.  Also note Scherff's backup is a Tugboat. I am hoping he can spell Scherff enough to let him heal up.

We also have the opportunity to get DaVon Hamilton back.

Tugboat is still on IR - but would be amazing if he can actually be a solid contributor as a rookie down the line sometime

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agreed.  After this week we get everyone back IF they are healthy.  Also note Scherff's backup is a Tugboat. I am hoping he can spell Scherff enough to let him heal up.

We also have the opportunity to get DaVon Hamilton back.

Tugboat is still on IR - but would be amazing if he can actually be a solid contributor as a rookie down the line sometime

Yea he is, so is Hamilton. They on the IR return list. Soonest they can return is after week 4.  Would be nice to get them both back.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

For those keeping track of the O-line from the week 3 PFF grades - this week's pass blocking numbers are telling.

Just for reference here, 2 of the 5 players graded well in pass protection (Scherff and Little)
others:
Bartch - 41.5
Fortner - 61.5
Harrison - 50.5

That is an uptick for Fortner. Still not good - but better.
Bartch has been bad but got worse.
Harrison had another rough rookie outing.

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Any update to the Anton Injury?

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Any update to the Anton Injury?

Day to day. Just like the rest of us.

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I watched the all 22 this afternoon. 68 is getting worked on 2/3 of pass plays. 78 is faring no better. 79 is being pushed back 40% or more of the time. Surely Cam will improve the left side at either guard or tackle alongside little. And then put Shat at center. Then you’re going to need Strange or Farrell helping on the right virtually every play.

On defense, 45 is a waste of a roster space. He’s too light and not fast enough. Ineffective at spelling Walker and Allen. We need a 4 or 5 on the front on virtually every play. It’s a waste of needed talent at the line of scrimmage to drop 41 or 44 into coverage. Muma’s too slow and not instinctive enough. Just gonna have to take your lumps with Quarterman in coverage? Our LB corps has only Devin and Foye that are starter quality. Maybe play with a 3rd safety as a 3rd LB? Dewey for now?

With the roster as it is, I don’t see a deep playoff run. But we CAN win the division.


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Fix the O-Line!

For those keeping track of the O-line from the week 3 PFF grades - this week's pass blocking numbers are telling.

Just for reference here, 2 of the 5 players graded well in pass protection (Scherff and Little)
others:
Bartch - 41.5
Fortner -  61.5
Harrison - 50.5

That is an uptick for Fortner. Still not good - but better.
Bartch has been bad but got worse.
Harrison had another rough rookie outing.

Some context for everyone else because you cherry-pick information so badly to support your narratives that virtually no statistics you present are trustworthy.

Facts using stats you approve of, only presented in their totality:

* The line has steadily improved week on week, run blocking in particular while pass blocking has been slower to improve
* Every player, bar Little who started hot, has shown good improvement
* Every player, bar Little who started hot, played week 3 at or above average.  ie, they are improving as a group and as individuals


             Week 1           Week 2           Week 3            AVG

         Pass Run  Tot    Pass Run  Tot    Pass Run  Tot    Pass Run Tot
Little   76.4 60   68     74.8 81.5 78.8   72.6 61.1 68.5   74.6 67.5 71.8
Bartch   30.3 53.4 48.1   67.1 58.4 63.1   41.1 65.5 59.6   46.2 59.1 56.9
Fortner  39.8 49.9 48     35.6 54.9 50.1   61.5 75.2 72.3   45.6 60.0 56.8
Scherff  69.8 47.2 52.2   53.4 50.8 53.4   71.4 80.1 70.7   64.9 59.4 58.8
Harrison 66.8 41.2 51.8   29.6 59.2 45.7   50.5 81   71.1   49.0 60.5 56.2

     AVG 56.6 50.3 53.6   52.1 61.0 58.2   59.4 72.6 68.4

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For those keeping track of the O-line from the week 3 PFF grades - this week's pass blocking numbers are telling.

Just for reference here, 2 of the 5 players graded well in pass protection (Scherff and Little)
others:
Bartch - 41.5
Fortner -  61.5
Harrison - 50.5

That is an uptick for Fortner. Still not good - but better.
Bartch has been bad but got worse.
Harrison had another rough rookie outing.

Some context for everyone else because you cherry-pick information so badly to support your narratives that virtually no statistics you present are trustworthy.

Facts using stats you approve of, only presented in their totality:

* The line has steadily improved week on week, run blocking in particular while pass blocking has been slower to improve
* Every player, bar Little who started hot, has shown good improvement
* Every player, bar Little who started hot, played week 3 at or above average.  ie, they are improving as a group and as individuals


             Week 1           Week 2           Week 3            AVG

         Pass Run  Tot    Pass Run  Tot    Pass Run  Tot    Pass Run Tot
Little   76.4 60   68     74.8 81.5 78.8   72.6 61.1 68.5   74.6 67.5 71.8
Bartch   30.3 53.4 48.1   67.1 58.4 63.1   41.1 65.5 59.6   46.2 59.1 56.9
Fortner  39.8 49.9 48     35.6 54.9 50.1   61.5 75.2 72.3   45.6 60.0 56.8
Scherff  69.8 47.2 52.2   53.4 50.8 53.4   71.4 80.1 70.7   64.9 59.4 58.8
Harrison 66.8 41.2 51.8   29.6 59.2 45.7   50.5 81   71.1   49.0 60.5 56.2

     AVG 56.6 50.3 53.6   52.1 61.0 58.2   59.4 72.6 68.4

NYCdisingeniousJags...

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For those keeping track of the O-line from the week 3 PFF grades - this week's pass blocking numbers are telling.

Just for reference here, 2 of the 5 players graded well in pass protection (Scherff and Little)
others:
Bartch - 41.5
Fortner -  61.5
Harrison - 50.5

That is an uptick for Fortner. Still not good - but better.
Bartch has been bad but got worse.
Harrison had another rough rookie outing.

Some context for everyone else because you cherry-pick information so badly to support your narratives that virtually no statistics you present are trustworthy.

Facts using stats you approve of, only presented in their totality:

* The line has steadily improved week on week, run blocking in particular while pass blocking has been slower to improve
* Every player, bar Little who started hot, has shown good improvement
* Every player, bar Little who started hot, played week 3 at or above average.  ie, they are improving as a group and as individuals


             Week 1           Week 2           Week 3            AVG

         Pass Run  Tot    Pass Run  Tot    Pass Run  Tot    Pass Run Tot
Little   76.4 60   68     74.8 81.5 78.8   72.6 61.1 68.5   74.6 67.5 71.8
Bartch   30.3 53.4 48.1   67.1 58.4 63.1   41.1 65.5 59.6   46.2 59.1 56.9
Fortner  39.8 49.9 48     35.6 54.9 50.1   61.5 75.2 72.3   45.6 60.0 56.8
Scherff  69.8 47.2 52.2   53.4 50.8 53.4   71.4 80.1 70.7   64.9 59.4 58.8
Harrison 66.8 41.2 51.8   29.6 59.2 45.7   50.5 81   71.1   49.0 60.5 56.2

     AVG 56.6 50.3 53.6   52.1 61.0 58.2   59.4 72.6 68.4

You blathered in 10 different posts that I didn't like PFF stats, so I posted some that clearly illustrate poor pass protection (if you're into PFF's method of determining that.)

And then you post the exact same stats? 

Well, touché, indeed. LOL 

I'm not sure if you realize it - but you just posted stats showing that three of our starting linemen are averaging in the 40's in pass pro. That is god awful  - and the steady improvement you've feebly tried to cite has actually been a see-saw pattern between "meh" and "dear God, please help us" 

Bartch and Fortner have each had one week of not being horrible in pass pro, and of course it wasn't the same game. Not good, mind you. Just, not horrible. For one game.

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We still have to play TJ Watt, Nick Bosa, and Myles Garrett. This should be fun

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We still have to play TJ Watt, Nick Bosa, and Myles Garrett. This should be fun

This is why losing to a beat up tinhorns team at home will prove costly down the stretch in the event they get hot and it comes down to the wire again for the divisional crown.

I was thinking maybe losing to the Chiefs would prove the most costly. As the expectations were they should be competing for higher than a 4th seed but this team is the exact same team from last year.

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We still have to play TJ Watt, Nick Bosa, and Myles Garrett.  This should be fun

Myles Garret destroyed the Tacks line.

Although tacks have a terrible line (the worse starting LT in the league) i hope that isnt the case with us. Praying Cam can return asap.

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We still have to play TJ Watt, Nick Bosa, and Myles Garrett.  This should be fun

Myles Garret destroyed the Tacks line.

Although tacks have a terrible line (the worse starting LT in the league) i hope that isnt the case with us. Praying Cam can return asap.

As great as Garrett is, he might be the worst out of the 3 I just named. I'm scared of what Bosa and Watt will do to Harrison

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