Great hyperbole. Nobody is going to expect Barry in the mid-20s of a darft nor are they going to take you seriously if you are trying to say Etienne=Barry.

No, but my point is, if you apply your rule as strictly as some people are suggesting, "I would never pick a RB in the first round," then, theoretically, you'd pass on Barry Sanders, and take Joe Blow because he plays a more valuable position.    

Position value is important, but so is talent level.  You have to factor in both of those.  With the 25th pick in the draft, Travis Etienne was a great pick.  Position value was not that great, but talent level made up for it.

Well, that hasn't been my position so I guess you can quit tying that take to me now.

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That you think Strange is just a blocking tight end explains the lunacy of that take.

At least I can spell Engram correctly. 

Until Strange shows anything in the receiving department I'll continue to assume we over drafted an H-back option that had a penchant for blocking coming out of Penn St. and was primarily lauded for his ability as a blocker and not a pass catcher. At this level he's only shown a penchant for false starts and holding.

Most analysts had this kid with a 4th RD grade on him as well. Including the NFL website experts. We failed in RD2 and RD3. No need to simp for Baalke. He sucks and he's been heavily carried by a franchise QB and competent coaching staff on offense that can succeed in spite of [BLEEP] box decision making in the annual war room. 

Emgram.... lololololololololololol. Enhance your knowledge base on this roster's names. I was joking about tanking for Bowers by the way. I would rather win with guys like Strange and Engram Vs. losing on purpose. Bowers will be more surefire than Pitts was coming out though. Hopefully he doesn't end up in the AFC South for anybody else.

My fat finger typo doesn't make your bad take any smarter.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

No, but my point is, if you apply your rule as strictly as some people are suggesting, "I would never pick a RB in the first round," then, theoretically, you'd pass on Barry Sanders, and take Joe Blow because he plays a more valuable position.    

Position value is important, but so is talent level.  You have to factor in both of those.  With the 25th pick in the draft, Travis Etienne was a great pick.  Position value was not that great, but talent level made up for it.

Well, that hasn't been my position so I guess you can quit tying that take to me now.

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At least I can spell Engram correctly. 

Until Strange shows anything in the receiving department I'll continue to assume we over drafted an H-back option that had a penchant for blocking coming out of Penn St. and was primarily lauded for his ability as a blocker and not a pass catcher. At this level he's only shown a penchant for false starts and holding.

Most analysts had this kid with a 4th RD grade on him as well. Including the NFL website experts. We failed in RD2 and RD3. No need to simp for Baalke. He sucks and he's been heavily carried by a franchise QB and competent coaching staff on offense that can succeed in spite of [BLEEP] box decision making in the annual war room. 

Emgram.... lololololololololololol. Enhance your knowledge base on this roster's names. I was joking about tanking for Bowers by the way. I would rather win with guys like Strange and Engram Vs. losing on purpose. Bowers will be more surefire than Pitts was coming out though. Hopefully he doesn't end up in the AFC South for anybody else.

My fat finger typo doesn't make your bad take any smarter.

Time will tell. Until then. It looks like Baalke is giving this fanbase a big fat finger back for the clown incident.

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Well, that hasn't been my position so I guess you can quit tying that take to me now.

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My fat finger typo doesn't make your bad take any smarter.

Time will tell. Until then. It looks like Baalke is giving this fanbase a big fat finger back for the clown incident.

I'm totally not simping for Baalke and would be really glad if they got rid of him. I don't mind the Strange pick because Pederson is really good at integrating those guys into the offense and I trust him to pick a good one.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

This past sunday was a good indicator of what I said last week, we need to get him to run the ball off tackle more often because that's typically when he breaks one off.

His long run to seal it was between LT and LG.  Some of his other longer runs were designed inside runs that he bounced.  People (not specifically you) need to look at the highlights before they complain about running Etienne inside.  Typically, most of your longer runs in the NFL are inside or are inside calls bounced to the outside.  Defensive players are far too quick nowadays to be running plays wide on any sort of consistent basis.

I dont think running him inside is a bad thing, but I do think getting him in space plays to his strengths

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His long run to seal it was between LT and LG.  Some of his other longer runs were designed inside runs that he bounced.  People (not specifically you) need to look at the highlights before they complain about running Etienne inside.  Typically, most of your longer runs in the NFL are inside or are inside calls bounced to the outside.  Defensive players are far too quick nowadays to be running plays wide on any sort of consistent basis.

I dont think running him inside is a bad thing, but I do think getting him in space plays to his strengths

Running him inside is fine when it works as does running outside.  We can set those outside runs up creatively with tosses and pitches, but I really like what they did with the misdirection stuff to Ridley last week. I still wish we had incorporated some lead blocker sets in our game plan, some of these inside runs just need the bus driver to open the hole. What we can't do is just give up the inside stuff because our IOL is weak, if we just surrender that space the defense can just focus on the wings and make our run game one dimensional.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Time will tell. Until then. It looks like Baalke is giving this fanbase a big fat finger back for the clown incident.

I'm totally not simping for Baalke and would be really glad if they got rid of him. I don't mind the Strange pick because Pederson is really good at integrating those guys into the offense and I trust him to pick a good one.

Generally speaking, I don't like to criticize draft picks until after their 2nd full season. Strange and Bigsby are both good players, BUT they were bad picks in rounds 2 and 3. I watched every game Strange played due to being a PSU alumnus and believe strongly that this pick was a reach. The Jaguars basically were given O'Cyrus Torrence on a silver platter in round 2 yet they passed on him. Torrence would have immediately been our starting guard as he has with the Bills- where he has performed well to this point. Strange is a very good blocker and also excelled at RAC at Penn State, but he is not a number 1 tight end who can become a receiving weapon like Engram, Kelce, etc. I have to believe Pederson's affinity for tight ends lead to that poor decision. Bigsby was another guy I thought would be a very solid NFL player. But why take another running back when they really liked Hasty enough to give him an extension prior to the draft and acquired DeErnest Johnson to provide competition at the position? The only way this turns out to be a good pick is if Etienne goes down for an extended period of time since Bigsby is capable of being a number 1 back if he learns to hold onto the ball. Nickel back was a glaring need going into the draft and Clark Phillips was surprisingly available for the Jaguars in round 3. Like Torrence, he was originally considered to be a  late 1st round-early 2nd round pick due to his great instincts. He fell due to his less than ideal size, but would have been a steal in round 3. Before suffering a mild injury, he had impressed the Falcons enough to consider him the likely starter at nickel. To sum up, the Jaguars could have had an amazing draft class with Harrison, Torrence and Phillips becoming valuable long-term starters at positions of need. Instead, they wound up with two good players who did not play at positions of great need and still have a gaping hole on the interior offensive line and at nickel despite Herndon having his best season. I really like his effort, but he is a liability in coverage.

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I'm totally not simping for Baalke and would be really glad if they got rid of him. I don't mind the Strange pick because Pederson is really good at integrating those guys into the offense and I trust him to pick a good one.

Generally speaking, I don't like to criticize draft picks until after their 2nd full season. Strange and Bigsby are both good players, BUT they were bad picks in rounds 2 and 3. I watched every game Strange played due to being a PSU alumnus and believe strongly that this pick was a reach. The Jaguars basically were given O'Cyrus Torrence on a silver platter in round 2 yet they passed on him. Torrence would have immediately been our starting guard as he has with the Bills- where he has performed well to this point. Strange is a very good blocker and also excelled at RAC at Penn State, but he is not a number 1 tight end who can become a receiving weapon like Engram, Kelce, etc. I have to believe Pederson's affinity for tight ends lead to that poor decision. Bigsby was another guy I thought would be a very solid NFL player. But why take another running back when they really liked Hasty enough to give him an extension prior to the draft and acquired DeErnest Johnson to provide competition at the position? The only way this turns out to be a good pick is if Etienne goes down for an extended period of time since Bigsby is capable of being a number 1 back if he learns to hold onto the ball. Nickel back was a glaring need going into the draft and Clark Phillips was surprisingly available for the Jaguars in round 3. Like Torrence, he was originally considered to be a  late 1st round-early 2nd round pick due to his great instincts. He fell due to his less than ideal size, but would have been a steal in round 3. Before suffering a mild injury, he had impressed the Falcons enough to consider him the likely starter at nickel. To sum up, the Jaguars could have had an amazing draft class with Harrison, Torrence and Phillips becoming valuable long-term starters at positions of need. Instead, they wound up with two good players who did not play at positions of great need and still have a gaping hole on the interior offensive line and at nickel despite Herndon having his best season. I really like his effort, but he is a liability in coverage.

I agree with you and would've preferred our top three picks to be linemen. Both sides of the ball need help and I think we have our DB issue under control with the picks they did make. Having said that, I can see how Bigsby is here to be the supplement and contingency plan as you said with an eye to him being the starter after next season.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Generally speaking, I don't like to criticize draft picks until after their 2nd full season. Strange and Bigsby are both good players, BUT they were bad picks in rounds 2 and 3. I watched every game Strange played due to being a PSU alumnus and believe strongly that this pick was a reach. The Jaguars basically were given O'Cyrus Torrence on a silver platter in round 2 yet they passed on him. Torrence would have immediately been our starting guard as he has with the Bills- where he has performed well to this point. Strange is a very good blocker and also excelled at RAC at Penn State, but he is not a number 1 tight end who can become a receiving weapon like Engram, Kelce, etc. I have to believe Pederson's affinity for tight ends lead to that poor decision. Bigsby was another guy I thought would be a very solid NFL player. But why take another running back when they really liked Hasty enough to give him an extension prior to the draft and acquired DeErnest Johnson to provide competition at the position? The only way this turns out to be a good pick is if Etienne goes down for an extended period of time since Bigsby is capable of being a number 1 back if he learns to hold onto the ball. Nickel back was a glaring need going into the draft and Clark Phillips was surprisingly available for the Jaguars in round 3. Like Torrence, he was originally considered to be a  late 1st round-early 2nd round pick due to his great instincts. He fell due to his less than ideal size, but would have been a steal in round 3. Before suffering a mild injury, he had impressed the Falcons enough to consider him the likely starter at nickel. To sum up, the Jaguars could have had an amazing draft class with Harrison, Torrence and Phillips becoming valuable long-term starters at positions of need. Instead, they wound up with two good players who did not play at positions of great need and still have a gaping hole on the interior offensive line and at nickel despite Herndon having his best season. I really like his effort, but he is a liability in coverage.

I agree with you and would've preferred our top three picks to be linemen. Both sides of the ball need help and I think we have our DB issue under control with the picks they did make. Having said that, I can see how Bigsby is here to be the supplement and contingency plan as you said with an eye to him being the starter after next season.

I did like the pick of Antonio Johnson and believe he'll replace Jenkins at safety next season. I really like Jenkins as a leader and big play guy, but he is below average in coverage and his departure will save much salary cap money. As far as the cornerbacks/nickels, I'm not quite as confident. Ideally, either Braswell or Hallett will be ready to contend for a starting spot next season. They both have had their moments, but have a long way to go. Darious Williams has made really big plays the past 2 weeks, but he is another possibility to be released after this season due to his high cap figure. He is a local guy and maybe he would agree to a re-structured deal to stay here. In reality, he was poor at nickel and has had his ups and downs at corner.

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Tweet worth sharing. The only surprise, after watching him at Clemson, is that he doesn't have more 50+ long runs. Though the NFL is certainly a different beast than college 

https://twitter.com/1010XLAG/status/1712275544320946187

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ETN was the best player available at 25 in 2021, as has been proven over the last 3 years.

Certain people here like to try and skew reality.  But the truth is still the truth.  ETN is a great RB.  We got him at pick 25, and we still got the best Tackle left with Walker Little in the 2nd round.  Walker Little has been proven to be the best Tackle left after Pick 24.

Whatever ideology you want to have regarding drafting players, you still have to accept the reality of what occurs.  Was the ideology of ETN's pick correct?  Maybe.  Maybe not.  

But the reality is that we got a great RB and a top end Tackle. 

That's the truth.  And we got it because of wise decisions.

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ETN was the best player available at 25 in 2021, as has been proven over the last 3 years.

Certain people here like to try and skew reality.  But the truth is still the truth.  ETN is a great RB.  We got him at pick 25, and we still got the best Tackle left with Walker Little in the 2nd round.  Walker Little has been proven to be the best Tackle left after Pick 24.

Whatever ideology you want to have regarding drafting players, you still have to accept the reality of what occurs.  Was the ideology of ETN's pick correct?  Maybe.  Maybe not.  

But the reality is that we got a great RB and a top end Tackle. 

That's the truth.  And we got it because of wise decisions.

Baalke has certainly had his highs and lows as GM. While Lawrence was a no-brainer pick, the selections of Etienne, Campbell, Little and Cisco deserve an overall A+ grade. Thankfully, the Giants selected Toney or Urban would have likely taken him over Etienne.

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Rush Attempts
1 Travis Etienne Jr. Jacksonville Jaguars RB 113
2 Christian McCaffrey San Francisco 49ers RB 110
3 Josh Jacobs Las Vegas Raiders RB 107
4 Derrick Henry Tennessee Titans RB 98
5 Dameon Pierce Houston Texans RB 97
5 Kyren Williams Los Angeles Rams RB 97

They are really leaning on Etienne with his strong play and the pass pro issues

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Rush Attempts
1 Travis Etienne Jr. Jacksonville Jaguars RB 113
2 Christian McCaffrey San Francisco 49ers RB 110
3 Josh Jacobs Las Vegas Raiders RB 107
4 Derrick Henry Tennessee Titans RB 98
5 Dameon Pierce Houston Texans RB 97
5 Kyren Williams Los Angeles Rams RB 97

They are really leaning on Etienne with his strong play and the pass pro issues

Yeah. Need to start incorporating the rest of the backfield. Give him a bit of a chance to relax and not beat him into the ground. Johnson had a nice run yesterday. They used Bigsby in a decent FB style short run design.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I dont think running him inside is a bad thing, but I do think getting him in space plays to his strengths

... I still wish we had incorporated some lead blocker sets in our game plan, some of these inside runs just need the bus driver to open the hole. What we can't do is just give up the inside stuff because our IOL is weak, if we just surrender that space the defense can just focus on the wings and make our run game one dimensional.

Bingo. Eatin and Tank could be well served by a new Greg.

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Etn consistently seems to get more yardage on plays than it looks like he should.

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Etn consistently seems to get more yardage on plays than it looks like he should.

He’s an outstanding back. He’s got very good vision, is lightning quick and is much more of a physical back than you expect. I just hope we don’t make the mistake of overworking him. Need him fresh for the late season push and hopefully the playoffs.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you.

Etn consistently seems to get more yardage on plays than it looks like he should.

He’s an outstanding back. He’s got very good vision, is lightning quick and is much more of a physical back than you expect. I just hope we don’t make the mistake of overworking him. Need him fresh for the late season push and hopefully the playoffs.

He is all of those things indeed. The one knock, as they were discussing on The Drill this morning, is that he's not very good in the Red Zone, even back to college. We really need to fix the short yardage and Goal to Go situational plays, we need to get the ball in the end zone when we get close.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

He’s an outstanding back. He’s got very good vision, is lightning quick and is much more of a physical back than you expect. I just hope we don’t make the mistake of overworking him. Need him fresh for the late season push and hopefully the playoffs.

He is all of those things indeed. The one knock, as they were discussing on The Drill this morning, is that he's not very good in the Red Zone, even back to college. We really need to fix the short yardage and Goal to Go situational plays, we need to get the ball in the end zone when we get close.

We need tank to be THAT guy 
Unfortunately that isn't the case of yet

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He’s an outstanding back. He’s got very good vision, is lightning quick and is much more of a physical back than you expect. I just hope we don’t make the mistake of overworking him. Need him fresh for the late season push and hopefully the playoffs.

He is all of those things indeed. The one knock, as they were discussing on The Drill this morning, is that he's not very good in the Red Zone, even back to college. We really need to fix the short yardage and Goal to Go situational plays, we need to get the ball in the end zone when we get close.

Another thing a lead blocking back could help, imo.

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Third Jaguar RB in history to have back to back games with 2 tds. Fred Taylor, MJD, ETN

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS