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Travis Etienne - Rd1, Pick 25


(10-19-2023, 07:05 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: Third Jaguar RB in history to have back to back games with 2 tds. Fred Taylor, MJD, ETN

@Does the Tank complete our Mt. Rushmore?@
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(This post was last modified: 10-19-2023, 08:16 AM by Jaguarmeister. Edited 1 time in total.)

He’s on pace for close to 400 touches this year. They’re gonna need to get one or more of the other guys more involved soon or risk wearing him out for the playoffs and/or next year.
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(10-19-2023, 08:14 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: He’s on pace for close to 400 touches this year.  They’re gonna need to get one or more of the other guys more involved soon or risk wearing him out for the playoffs and/or next year.
The problem is that Bigsby just isn't it.

Wish they would give Johnson some burn because he looks pretty good out there.
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(10-19-2023, 09:10 AM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(10-19-2023, 08:14 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: He’s on pace for close to 400 touches this year.  They’re gonna need to get one or more of the other guys more involved soon or risk wearing him out for the playoffs and/or next year.
The problem is that Bigsby just isn't it.

Wish they would give Johnson some burn because he looks pretty good out there.

Wasted pick.  Should have been OL.
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(10-19-2023, 09:10 AM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(10-19-2023, 08:14 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: He’s on pace for close to 400 touches this year.  They’re gonna need to get one or more of the other guys more involved soon or risk wearing him out for the playoffs and/or next year.
The problem is that Bigsby just isn't it.

Wish they would give Johnson some burn because he looks pretty good out there.

It doesn't have to be just one of them.  Give 10-15 touches to some combination of Bigsby, Johnson and Hasty and get ETN closer to 15 per game or the curse of 370 may pay us a visit next year.  Bigsby not being "it" to date doesn't mean he can't get there.  Figure out what he can do and work a few more of those plays in per game and when we get up big on someone, give ETN the rest of the day off or at least make him take a back seat and shift the bulk of those remaining reps mostly to Bigsby to help get him up to speed faster with the additional live reps.

I mean Hasty was serviceable in that Ravens game last year when ETN was injured.  Let's get him going a bit more again.  He's been active for 2 games this year and only seen 2 targets so far.
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Bigsby and D'Ernest combined are averaging 4.83 touches per game. ETN is averaging 22.3. I think 5 to 7 per game needs to shift from the stud back to the rest of the stable is all.
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(10-19-2023, 09:36 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: Bigsby and D'Ernest combined are averaging 4.83 touches per game.  ETN is averaging 22.3.  I think 5 to 7 per game needs to shift from the stud back to the rest of the stable is all.

Yeah, I don’t understand the criticisms of Bigsby when he hasn’t had many chances to prove himself.
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(10-19-2023, 09:13 AM)RicoTx Wrote:
(10-19-2023, 09:10 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: The problem is that Bigsby just isn't it.

Wish they would give Johnson some burn because he looks pretty good out there.

Wasted pick.  Should have been OL.

I'm taking Bigsby over Wanyana Morris.

I think Bigsby gonna be good
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Way too early to say Bigsby isn't it. We need to get him and Johnson more touches. We can't afford to let ETN burn out.
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(10-19-2023, 08:14 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: He’s on pace for close to 400 touches this year.  They’re gonna need to get one or more of the other guys more involved soon or risk wearing him out for the playoffs and/or next year.

(maybe that's the plan...seems to be the MO, get em cheap, grind em to the dirt, lather, rinse, repeat)
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(This post was last modified: 10-19-2023, 01:26 PM by carp8dm.)

(10-19-2023, 09:41 AM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(10-19-2023, 09:36 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: Bigsby and D'Ernest combined are averaging 4.83 touches per game.  ETN is averaging 22.3.  I think 5 to 7 per game needs to shift from the stud back to the rest of the stable is all.

Yeah, I don’t understand the criticisms of Bigsby when he hasn’t had many chances to prove himself.

There was one play in the late 3rd, maybe early 4th quarter against the clots last Sunday where Bigsby was in at RB.

Standard Shotgun with Lawrence and Tank was next to him.  Anyways, the clots were showing blitz, and Tank picked up the blitzer so that Lawrence could deliver the ball.

Bigsby is raw and has some issues with rookie mistakes.  But he proved he can pass protect and he's made some decent plays.  I mean, you take a RB in the 3rd round, get him some more reps to spell your stud.

Heck, even when James Robinson was our go to back, he'd take several plays off to rest.  I'd rather have ETN here for 7 years than just 4...  Dude is such a unicorn athlete.

(10-19-2023, 11:36 AM)Mikey Wrote:
(10-19-2023, 08:14 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: He’s on pace for close to 400 touches this year.  They’re gonna need to get one or more of the other guys more involved soon or risk wearing him out for the playoffs and/or next year.

(maybe that's the plan...seems to be the MO, get em cheap, grind em to the dirt, lather, rinse, repeat)

Clearly that's the mentality.  But I think that mentality is short sighted...  Just my opinion.  There aren't ETN's in every draft...
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(10-19-2023, 01:25 PM)carp8dm Wrote:
(10-19-2023, 09:41 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: Yeah, I don’t understand the criticisms of Bigsby when he hasn’t had many chances to prove himself.

There was one play in the late 3rd, maybe early 4th quarter against the clots last Sunday where Bigsby was in at RB.

Standard Shotgun with Lawrence and Tank was next to him.  Anyways, the clots were showing blitz, and Tank picked up the blitzer so that Lawrence could deliver the ball.

Bigsby is raw and has some issues with rookie mistakes.  But he proved he can pass protect and he's made some decent plays.  I mean, you take a RB in the 3rd round, get him some more reps to spell your stud.

Heck, even when James Robinson was our go to back, he'd take several plays off to rest.  I'd rather have ETN here for 7 years than just 4...  Dude is such a unicorn athlete.

(10-19-2023, 11:36 AM)Mikey Wrote: (maybe that's the plan...seems to be the MO, get em cheap, grind em to the dirt, lather, rinse, repeat)

Clearly that's the mentality.  But I think that mentality is short sighted...  Just my opinion.  There aren't ETN's in every draft...

Sure there are.
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(10-19-2023, 02:04 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(10-19-2023, 01:25 PM)carp8dm Wrote: There was one play in the late 3rd, maybe early 4th quarter against the clots last Sunday where Bigsby was in at RB.

Standard Shotgun with Lawrence and Tank was next to him.  Anyways, the clots were showing blitz, and Tank picked up the blitzer so that Lawrence could deliver the ball.

Bigsby is raw and has some issues with rookie mistakes.  But he proved he can pass protect and he's made some decent plays.  I mean, you take a RB in the 3rd round, get him some more reps to spell your stud.

Heck, even when James Robinson was our go to back, he'd take several plays off to rest.  I'd rather have ETN here for 7 years than just 4...  Dude is such a unicorn athlete.


Clearly that's the mentality.  But I think that mentality is short sighted...  Just my opinion.  There aren't ETN's in every draft...

Sure there are.

You think there are ETN's in every draft?

So who's the ETN from 2023's draft?
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(10-19-2023, 02:26 PM)carp8dm Wrote:
(10-19-2023, 02:04 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Sure there are.

You think there are ETN's in every draft?

So who's the ETN from 2023's draft?

Achane is pretty good.
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(10-19-2023, 03:33 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote:
(10-19-2023, 02:26 PM)carp8dm Wrote: You think there are ETN's in every draft?

So who's the ETN from 2023's draft?

Achane is pretty good.

He reminds me of CJ2k
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(This post was last modified: 10-19-2023, 04:47 PM by Caldrac.)

I think ball security is the reason Bigsby is not seeing many opportunities. That was my concern when I looked at his career totals at Auburn the night they drafted him.

No excuse though for putting it all on Etienne when they extended Hasty and have Johnson on the depth chart who I think is a solid runner. Just needs opportunities.

If Lawrence is a no go tonight they'll have to rely on all of these backs. Or. Maybe they give Etienne 25 carries. [BLEEP] it. He's a RD1 RB playing on a RD1 contract. We know what's going to happen to him in another year or two.

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I don't like us having to be a run first team against their defense with our makeshift OL, much like what they have now. Just trying to skim by tonight fingers crossed.
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(10-18-2023, 09:28 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(10-18-2023, 07:54 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: He’s an outstanding back. He’s got very good vision, is lightning quick and is much more of a physical back than you expect. I just hope we don’t make the mistake of overworking him. Need him fresh for the late season push and hopefully the playoffs.

He is all of those things indeed. The one knock, as they were discussing on The Drill this morning, is that he's not very good in the Red Zone, even back to college. We really need to fix the short yardage and Goal to Go situational plays, we need to get the ball in the end zone when we get close.

Not sure where that sentiment is coming from. What was their reasoning for saying he wasn't good in the Redzone in college?

He was extremely productive in the redzone in college. Short yardage was more automatic with giving it to Etienne more than any other time I can remember watching Clemson. 

He's number 6 in NCAA history for rushing Touchdowns. He didn't even finish in the top 250 all time in attempts. He averaged a TD every 9.8 attempts. I've yet to find a better rate for top RBs. A lot were explosive runs, but I can assure you don't get this kind of production without being a redzone monster. 

Etienne: Rushing TD every 9.8 attempts 

Barry Sanders: 10.9 
Ricky Williams: 14.0
Todd Gurley: 14.1
Melvin Gordon: 14.2
Dalvin Cook: 14.9
Derrick Henry: 14.2
Marshall Faulk: 14.4
Bo Jackson: 15.1
Leonard Fournette: 15.4
Saquan Barkley: 15.6
LaDainian Tomlinson: 16.8
Reggie Bush: 17.3
Adrian Peterson: 18.2
CJ Spiller: 18.9 
Christian McCaffrey: 30.1
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I agree that I would like to see ~10 carries per game taken off of ETN’s load.

This RB group has some really nice depth.

Tank is going to be a good one. Give this guy some time to develop.
Respect the game.  Play with a sense of urgency. 


1.)  Take care of the ball.  Win the turnover battle.

2.)  It's all about 3rd down.  Win on 3rd down to win the game.

3.) Playmakers make plays.  The only reason that you put your uniform on is to make plays. In order to EARN your paycheck, you must make plays.  

Learn from the great collapse of 2023.  

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Other than CMC there isn't a RB in this league I'd take over Etienne right now. Absolutely a top 3 RB in his 2nd season played
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