The biggest thing with Trevor is that there are too many big moments/plays where Trevor just does not feel calm in the pocket. It feels like they try to cover that with quick reads and getting ball out early, but it looks more like Trever "predeterminating" where he is going with the ball instead of making the right play.

Some of that can definitely be on IOL pressure, inconsistent WR play, and play calling. Just look at KC who is struggling due to similar issues despite a HoF QB and Coach.

However, Trevor just doesn't have enough of the history of consistently playing great to trust that he can be the  the guy. As much as people are overstating it by calling him Bortles.

The issue though is that this team is not constructed to win without having "the guy" at QB. This is not a franchise run like the 49ers or Ravens in the FO/draft room, and they do not have force-multipliers on the coaching stuff like the LA Rams or 49ers.

Biggest thing of this whole s***storm, is what Trevor thinks. Does he come to the table demanding being treated like Kyler, Herbert, etc.? Or could you convince him to take a David Jones/Cousins like deal? Because the latter deal gives you a few more years without completely hamstringing the team.

Sometimes I read things like your comment and wonder if people understand how playing QB works.

Do you think Trevor gets the ball, takes a couple of steps back, and just randomly looks around to see if he can spot anyone that happened to come open?

He is literally looking at the defensive alignment, diagnosing what they're doing, and then deciding which route that was in the call should be coming open against it, and when.

If he doesn't see that a defender on the back side of the play falls down and a guy is wide open that's normal, he's trying to throw where the design of the play and defense dictates its supposed to go.

Sometimes the guy he expects to come open doesn't, and he'll try to find someone else even if they aren't supposed to come open, but with how bad the offensive line has been all season I'm guessing most of the time he was thinking about how he needed to start running more than anything.

I understand all of that. But there are quarterbacks who face that exact same situation and look way calmer in the pocket than Trevor normally does. Guys who normally win MVP's and as result normally win SB's. 

Also there is no way for me to gauge who made the mistake on each play as you are describing without watching the all 22 and often knowing the play and the real-time adjustments to be made based on reading the coverages. Do you know what those all are, or just assuming that the full explanation is on all the other guys and not on Trevor?

I'm in no way saying Trevor is the complete problem or the biggest issue. However, he is definitely part of the issue. Trevor definitely has not had any help, but just because he has not had any help doesnt mean you give him "the guy" contract. It is too early to tell. 

And like I said, this franchise as constructed requires "the guy" who can overcome a lot of that based on their cap allocations and roster construction.

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Lock him up long term, especially after waiting 15 years for a true #1 QB.

That said, over the past 3 years my $91 ticket is now priced at $150 heading into next year so I'm not so certain how much I'm willing to spend if these increases continue as my gameday setup at home (during away games) includes the following:

Temp: 70 degrees
Parking: free parking in the driveway
Beer:  $12 for a 6-pack
Food: grilled food made to order
Fans: no opposing fans annoying me
Duration:  Arrive at 12:55pm and am home at 4:00pm

Gave up tickets because of this and the constant failures of the Jags. Prices increasing, takes a long time to get to game/home, and people getting older and unable to handle the heat. Just wasn't fun enough anymore when you knew they would fail in the end.

I bet it costs $50 million to fill Khan's yacht....just get it done.

Dang ..... you got me curious about the fuel expense for that thing so I googled it -- see below.   WOW !!!

How much does it cost to fill up a 100 foot yacht?

The superyacht has an estimated capacity of 1,000,049 liters of fuel (220,000 gallons) and TheYachtMogul claims the vessel got a 500,000-liter refill, which, for an average price of $3 per liter, would bring the total cost up to $1,500,000.

Is that the new one that is even bigger?

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Lawrence has no leverage.

He definitely does. This is a 3-4 win team without him. This defense just let a washed Henry cook them for 160.

Trevor played like an average QB with an above average penchant for turning the ball over.

We could have won this many or more games with a lot of QBs. His play this year was not special.

He isn't even the best QB in our division. A Rookie holds that distinction now.

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He definitely does. This is a 3-4 win team without him. This defense just let a washed Henry cook them for 160.

Trevor played like an average QB with an above average penchant for turning the ball over.

We could have won this many or more games with a lot of QBs. His play this year was not special.

He isn't even the best QB in our division. A Rookie holds that distinction now.

That's a generous way of making that statement.

He was monumentally bad with turnovers this year. He leads the NFL with the most turnovers since entering the league in 2021.

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Sometimes I read things like your comment and wonder if people understand how playing QB works.

Do you think Trevor gets the ball, takes a couple of steps back, and just randomly looks around to see if he can spot anyone that happened to come open?

He is literally looking at the defensive alignment, diagnosing what they're doing, and then deciding which route that was in the call should be coming open against it, and when.

If he doesn't see that a defender on the back side of the play falls down and a guy is wide open that's normal, he's trying to throw where the design of the play and defense dictates its supposed to go.

Sometimes the guy he expects to come open doesn't, and he'll try to find someone else even if they aren't supposed to come open, but with how bad the offensive line has been all season I'm guessing most of the time he was thinking about how he needed to start running more than anything.

I understand all of that. But there are quarterbacks who face that exact same situation and look way calmer in the pocket than Trevor normally does. Guys who normally win MVP's and as result normally win SB's. 

Also there is no way for me to gauge who made the mistake on each play as you are describing without watching the all 22 and often knowing the play and the real-time adjustments to be made based on reading the coverages. Do you know what those all are, or just assuming that the full explanation is on all the other guys and not on Trevor?

I'm in no way saying Trevor is the complete problem or the biggest issue. However, he is definitely part of the issue. Trevor definitely has not had any help, but just because he has not had any help doesnt mean you give him "the guy" contract. It is too early to tell. 

And like I said, this franchise as constructed requires "the guy" who can overcome a lot of that based on their cap allocations and roster construction.

The "predetermining who to throw at" thing bothered me, because every QB starts the play with a guy they're going to throw to.

Sometimes QBs make mistakes in their read and end up not succeeding, but I'm not sure Trevor has often has the time to go through his reads this year and find the open guy.

Really, it's pretty miraculous the jaguars even got to 8-3. Our offensive line is BAD. I mean real bad, not just the kind of hyperbole fans sometimes spout because the line is average. The line was bad.

The defense has their moments against bad QBs of looking decent, and even played well against good QBs a few times, but the team is mostly looking up at average as far as roster goes, but people expect a quarterback with a Rasputin list of injuries to carry a team.

It didn't happen, if the Jaguars want to hold off on extending him that's their choice, but it probably won't help anything.

If they don't replace Baalke and improve the roster then he can just do what Lamar did and the team can eventually lose him, or they can look to extend the best part of the roster right now and focus on fixing everything else with at least stability at QB.

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He definitely does. This is a 3-4 win team without him. This defense just let a washed Henry cook them for 160.

Trevor played like an average QB with an above average penchant for turning the ball over.

We could have won this many or more games with a lot of QBs. His play this year was not special.

He isn't even the best QB in our division. A Rookie holds that distinction now.

Wish we had Stroud.
Freaking dumb Panthers took Young and let the Texans draft Stroud.

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

Lawrence is not worth top 5 - top 10 QB money. I know the market this and market that but his turnovers are killer and he's not making up for it the way Josh Allen does.

Again, it's not something I would even worry about in 2024. Make him play it out with hopefully better blocking up front instead.

I am still looking for a QB to push him. You don't have to drop a first round pick or day two pick on a QB to do that. You can snag a veteran of find a day three option.

I would honestly target somebody like Sam Hartman or Joe Milton if they're sitting there in RD6.

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Trevor was clearly playing hurt the second half of.the year. He had a very good first half of the seaosn before the injuries started piling up. If we get the O line figured out yes going to have a massive bounce back year next year.

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He definitely does. This is a 3-4 win team without him. This defense just let a washed Henry cook them for 160.

Trevor played like an average QB with an above average penchant for turning the ball over.

We could have won this many or more games with a lot of QBs. His play this year was not special.

He isn't even the best QB in our division. A Rookie holds that distinction now.

Then name them. I see people say this all the time but refuse to ever put names to the claim.

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No mega deal. 3rd year in the league, still throws too high, too low, too hard, too far away, too many INTs and fumbles. Keep him as a back up and draft a new QB.

LOL

He's still under contract through next season. We can pick up the 5th year option plus and tag him two more years. Plus anytime through those years can earn a mega deal. IF and only IF he actually makes it past above average and beats out the new QB as the starter.

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At this point you pick up the option and see how next year goes then go from there.

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I still have not seen that "generational" talent they keep talking about. I see a talented guy who under achieves on the field. He can't hold Stroud's jock strap.

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I understand all of that. But there are quarterbacks who face that exact same situation and look way calmer in the pocket than Trevor normally does. Guys who normally win MVP's and as result normally win SB's. 

Also there is no way for me to gauge who made the mistake on each play as you are describing without watching the all 22 and often knowing the play and the real-time adjustments to be made based on reading the coverages. Do you know what those all are, or just assuming that the full explanation is on all the other guys and not on Trevor?

I'm in no way saying Trevor is the complete problem or the biggest issue. However, he is definitely part of the issue. Trevor definitely has not had any help, but just because he has not had any help doesnt mean you give him "the guy" contract. It is too early to tell. 

And like I said, this franchise as constructed requires "the guy" who can overcome a lot of that based on their cap allocations and roster construction.

The "predetermining who to throw at" thing bothered me, because every QB starts the play with a guy they're going to throw to.

Sometimes QBs make mistakes in their read and end up not succeeding, but I'm not sure Trevor has often has the time to go through his reads this year and find the open guy.

Really, it's pretty miraculous the jaguars even got to 8-3. Our offensive line is BAD. I mean real bad, not just the kind of hyperbole fans sometimes spout because the line is average. The line was bad.

The defense has their moments against bad QBs of looking decent, and even played well against good QBs a few times, but the team is mostly looking up at average as far as roster goes, but people expect a quarterback with a Rasputin list of injuries to carry a team.

It didn't happen, if the Jaguars want to hold off on extending him that's their choice, but it probably won't help anything.

If they don't replace Baalke and improve the roster then he can just do what Lamar did and the team can eventually lose him, or they can look to extend the best part of the roster right now and focus on fixing everything else with at least stability at QB.

1. Predetermining was maybe the wrong word. But he I do feel he doesn't come off reads fast enough and sometimes tries to fit things into windows he should not instead of progressing. Some of that may definitely be that he doesn't have time doesn't feel he has time to go through his progressions. That blame also comes on the OC/Coaches for not reseting the plays and routes to make that work better, especially because defenses all year are just sitting on the mesh/horizontal crossing routes and making them hard.

2. I've never been a fan of an injured QB playing. I think having Trevor play the last month was dumb. He hasn't been a guy with great accuracy with multiple arm angles or messing his mechanics. He generally needs them to be on point for him to be his best. But the team screwed that up having Beathard as the back up QB with the high floor/low ceiling instead of someone else. Forced their hand especially given the losing streak and the defense falling apart.

3. If you look at the 21 and 22 QB draft classes, none of those QB's are probably going to get an elite level QB contract in the next 2 off seasons. Fields may be traded and is more unproven than Trevor. Purdy has done well, but no way San Fran pays him an elite level contract until they have to. So essentially the Jags don't have to jump the gun with an extension now. They can pick up the 5th year and wait until after Trevor's 5th year to figure it out. Ideally they would want to decide before Stroud is extended, but they have time.

4. Given Kahn's MO, he always waits too long on firing HC/GM's. I have no hope he will be proactive and restructure the FO. Maybe he reconsiders not hiring a VP of Football Operations, but I don't think there are any obvious candidates for that right now. Rick Spielman was highly regarded, but not sure he is in play anymore.

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Lawrence with Pederson is a combo that is good enough to win 9 games a year.

That's a fact.

That's not worthy of paying either of them any more than middle of the road type salaries.

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I understand all of that. But there are quarterbacks who face that exact same situation and look way calmer in the pocket than Trevor normally does. Guys who normally win MVP's and as result normally win SB's. 

Also there is no way for me to gauge who made the mistake on each play as you are describing without watching the all 22 and often knowing the play and the real-time adjustments to be made based on reading the coverages. Do you know what those all are, or just assuming that the full explanation is on all the other guys and not on Trevor?

I'm in no way saying Trevor is the complete problem or the biggest issue. However, he is definitely part of the issue. Trevor definitely has not had any help, but just because he has not had any help doesnt mean you give him "the guy" contract. It is too early to tell. 

And like I said, this franchise as constructed requires "the guy" who can overcome a lot of that based on their cap allocations and roster construction.

The "predetermining who to throw at" thing bothered me, because every QB starts the play with a guy they're going to throw to.

Sometimes QBs make mistakes in their read and end up not succeeding, but I'm not sure Trevor has often has the time to go through his reads this year and find the open guy.

Really, it's pretty miraculous the jaguars even got to 8-3. Our offensive line is BAD. I mean real bad, not just the kind of hyperbole fans sometimes spout because the line is average. The line was bad.

The defense has their moments against bad QBs of looking decent, and even played well against good QBs a few times, but the team is mostly looking up at average as far as roster goes, but people expect a quarterback with a Rasputin list of injuries to carry a team.

It didn't happen, if the Jaguars want to hold off on extending him that's their choice, but it probably won't help anything.

If they don't replace Baalke and improve the roster then he can just do what Lamar did and the team can eventually lose him, or they can look to extend the best part of the roster right now and focus on fixing everything else with at least stability at QB.

This is because of the coaching!!!  They are teaching Lawrence to throw to his first read.  It's been obvious since September!!!

You guys, it's not that hard to see what's happening.  The coaching staff is training Lawrence to play the way he does.  It's been 18 weeks.  It's been obvious for the last 12 week, at least.

I kept saying how bad the play calling was.  I kept saying how Trevor seems to be too anxious with his first read.  This entire year was a disaster.  And the coaching staff absolutely has to be held to account.  We can't just dump Trevor.  Plus, he's too good to just dump.  But this coaching staff, man...  They suck.  They regressed every position on offense.  And almost every position on defense.

This was almost the exact same team as last year.  And yet we looked completely different this year compared to last.  So what changed???  The coaches changed.  They stopped coaching, or they let the OC handle things.  And they didn't inspire the team.  This is not a coaching staff that should be able to run it back.  They suck.

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At this point you pick up the option and see how next year goes then go from there.

This. Not sure why we're overthinking this. Make him prove it for payment. Fix the gashes and holes on the offensive line between this off season and next year.

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No mega deal. 3rd year in the league, still throws too high, too low, too hard, too far away, too many INTs and fumbles. Keep him as a back up and draft a new QB.

Too soon. But the fact that this is even a possible option for discussion after next season is crazy and the most #BecauseJaguars thing in recent memory. Or ever.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you. 
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At this point you pick up the option and see how next year goes then go from there.

This. Not sure why we're overthinking this. Make him prove it for payment. Fix the gashes and holes on the offensive line between this off season and next year.

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If we bring back Press Taylor as the OC and play caller, it won't matter.

We'll continue to be a 8-10 win team that really provides no danger to actual SB teams.  You can execute all you want, but if you are a boring offense that has not creativity, then eventually the offense will be firgured out.

We just witnessed that.  8-3!!!

We were 8-3!!

So don't blame the players.  The players got us to 8-3.  But at the end of the year, coaching matters.  And we don't have coaching.

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Trevor played like an average QB with an above average penchant for turning the ball over.

We could have won this many or more games with a lot of QBs. His play this year was not special.

He isn't even the best QB in our division. A Rookie holds that distinction now.

Wish we had Stroud.
Freaking dumb Panthers took Young and let the Texans draft Stroud.

You literally only come around when the Jags are bad.

Get a hobby.

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No. Don’t extend him

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