http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=10677763

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....The first thread unravels.

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Whelp... There goes the ncaa.

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Dumb.

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The venue says it all.

 

This will never hold water in higher court.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

and so it begins...

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I want 3 players. Clowney, Bridgewater, Manziel. Jaguars have the number 3 pick. Just give me one of those 3 at 3, and I'm happy.

 

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I say just pay them...get it over with...then say goodbye to all those other sports that cost money...say goodbye to all the scholarships for things like soccer, tennis, (for some schools) baseball, ect...pretty much all sports outside of football and for some basketball.

 

so for all the idiots saying this will help the student athletes...it will end up hurting way more...because you are either stupid or naive to think that this will not end up happening...no school is going to start taking losses because it has to pay the players of a few sports and encur all of the costs of less earning sports.

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Absolutely no reason not to pay college athletes in football/basketball. The rest of America gets rich off their unpaid labor but hey thats America for you. 

 

I saw a poll on some well respected news site the other day, forgot where. that white people favored not paying players 75:25 and minorities favored paying them 55:45 or something very similar. Not surprising results at all, but something interesting to think about. 

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NFL free ride of a developmental league is going away.  NFL will somehow end up having to have a farm system when schools start cutting football.

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NFL free ride of a developmental league is going away.  NFL will somehow end up having to have a farm system when schools start cutting football.

 

Haha do you realize how much money they make off TV deals? No sports are getting cut if they have to give the athletes even 1/100 of the pie. And they wont even get close to that. 

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Haha do you realize how much money they make off TV deals? No sports are getting cut if they have to give the athletes even 1/100 of the pie. And they wont even get close to that. 

you really think it will stop at 1/100th of the pie? the only saving grace here is public schools are not affected by it.  Most of your big programs are public and under state control not federal law control. 

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Even if this doesn't end with players being paid directly, I hope players are given the right to their own images.  When the NCAA makes money off video games/ merchandise, a cut of that should go to the players.

 

It would also eliminate the silly rules against selling signed merchandise etc.

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I hope if they "Pay" them that they force them to actually go to class and make them pay their own way through school...let's see how quickly most of the athletes want it the way it is now.

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Even if this doesn't end with players being paid directly, I hope players are given the right to their own images.  When the NCAA makes money off video games/ merchandise, a cut of that should go to the players.

 

It would also eliminate the silly rules against selling signed merchandise etc.

 

Do they put college players names on the backs of the jerseys in video games...

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Even if this doesn't end with players being paid directly, I hope players are given the right to their own images.  When the NCAA makes money off video games/ merchandise, a cut of that should go to the players.

 

It would also eliminate the silly rules against selling signed merchandise etc.

 

Player likeness isn't used in the video games.

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I say just pay them...get it over with...then say goodbye to all those other sports that cost money...say goodbye to all the scholarships for things like soccer, tennis, (for some schools) baseball, ect...pretty much all sports outside of football and for some basketball.

 

 

well they cant do that because of Title 9.

 

In fact, I'll be surprised if this survives the appeals because of Title 9.  There is no way schools could incur these extra costs if they have to treat the female athletes equally.  In fact, the overwhelming majority of athletic departments lose money right now.  Its funny, you go to 99% of universities that are NCAA members, and the main conversation you hear is the academic side of the institution complaining that they need to subsidize the athletic department to keep it profitable.  So the idea that schools are making millions and millions is untrue.  Only a very very small handful make money.  The Texas', Ohio Sts, Georgia's, etc...

 

I've read that this ruling only applies to private schools as of right now.  I would think private schools would be the most susceptible.  The Northwestern president has said if this ruling stands, that they'll have to consider leaving D1 football.  I could see many private schools going this route.  Probably to create a new Ivy League.  Heck not even just private schools, think of all the lower level D1 teams.  MAC schools.  CUSA.  MWC.  I bet a good number of those schools will have to leave scholarship level football as well.  

 

I'll be curious to see how this would work.  Since these athletes would now be employees, would schools eliminate the idea of scholarship?  Northwestern tuition is about $50k.  Add in the cost of full healthcare, room and board, books, computers, 3 meals a day, nutritionists, weight training, supplements, tutoring, clothes, transportation to games, hotels, etc... lets say the true costs of each football player is $150k per year for the school... and that may be light.  Instead of covering all those costs, would the school write each football player a check for $150k at the beginning of the year?  And then make each kid pay for his own tuition, pay for his own food, pay for his own healthcare, and then pay his state tax, federal tax, social security, medicare taxes, etc... 

 

 

*** the other interesting thing here will be if athletic departments are able to maintain their tax exempt status.  For a lot of major schools, the majority of their money isnt through tickets or tv, its through donations.  UF's largest source of revenue as I understand is through donations.  Would that continue if people/companies werent allowed to deduct that from their taxes since it wouldnt be going to a tax-exempt organization?  or if they had to pay gift taxes?  A lot of ripples because of this ruling.

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Scouting well is all that matters.  Draft philosophy is all fluff.

Player likeness isn't used in the video games.

 

As you can probably tell I don't play them.  I'm just used to seeing stuff like this:

 



 

Are player stats/ names/ numbers used in any way?  I honestly don't know.

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Even if this doesn't end with players being paid directly, I hope players are given the right to their own images.  When the NCAA makes money off video games/ merchandise, a cut of that should go to the players.

 

It would also eliminate the silly rules against selling signed merchandise etc.

 

Texas A&M only made $59,000 in jersey sales in 2012.  For all sports.  Split that among the athletes and each one would get like 20 bucks. There isnt as much money in video games and merchandise as people think.  

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Scouting well is all that matters.  Draft philosophy is all fluff.

As you can probably tell I don't play them.  I'm just used to seeing stuff like this:

 



 

Are player stats/ names/ numbers used in any way?  I honestly don't know.

 

Nope. The only thing that is used is the numbers, but other than that likeness isn't used at all. Jameis Winston, for example, would be listed on FSU's roster as QB #5.

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well they cant do that because of Title 9.

 

In fact, I'll be surprised if this survives the appeals because of Title 9.  There is no way schools could incur these extra costs if they have to treat the female athletes equally.  In fact, the overwhelming majority of athletic departments lose money right now.  Its funny, you go to 99% of universities that are NCAA members, and the main conversation you hear is the academic side of the institution complaining that they need to subsidize the athletic department to keep it profitable.  So the idea that schools are making millions and millions is untrue.  Only a very very small handful make money.  The Texas', Ohio Sts, Georgia's, etc...

 

I've read that this ruling only applies to private schools as of right now.  I would think private schools would be the most susceptible.  The Northwestern president has said if this ruling stands, that they'll have to consider leaving D1 football.  I could see many private schools going this route.  Probably to create a new Ivy League.  Heck not even just private schools, think of all the lower level D1 teams.  MAC schools.  CUSA.  MWC.  I bet a good number of those schools will have to leave scholarship level football as well.  

 

I'll be curious to see how this would work.  Since these athletes would now be employees, would schools eliminate the idea of scholarship?  Northwestern tuition is about $50k.  Add in the cost of full healthcare, room and board, books, computers, 3 meals a day, nutritionists, weight training, supplements, tutoring, clothes, transportation to games, hotels, etc... lets say the true costs of each football player is $150k per year for the school... and that may be light.  Instead of covering all those costs, would the school write each football player a check for $150k at the beginning of the year?  And then make each kid pay for his own tuition, pay for his own food, pay for his own healthcare, and then pay his state tax, federal tax, social security, medicare taxes, etc... 

 

I understand what you are saying about Title 9 and if schools kept sports that had a female counterpart then they would have to keep it too...basketball, baseball ect...but I could see some schools cutting everything except football depending on what they had to pay.

 

I didn't even think of your other point about them leaving DI level...do DII or DIII schools not give out scholarships?  If they do I don't see them lasting much longer not paying people if the mighty NCAA fell.

 

I agree...pay them a certain amount and then force them to pay out of pocket all for all of the "perks" that they get now...see how quickly 99% of these kids cry about wanting it the old way...

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