https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2023-...ad-the-way

Subjective, but seems reasonable. Ranked 11th or 12th. Right behind Mahomes, right in front of Goff.

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The offense felt off pretty much the entire year…. And they still managed to drop 30 points multiple times.

There was clearly a disconnect somewhere and everyone is trying to pin the blame somewhere.

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It's not off "somewhere." It starts with the line, imo. Trevor needs most consistency from the line.

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The offense felt off pretty much the entire year…. And they still managed to drop 30 points multiple times.

There was clearly a disconnect somewhere and everyone is trying to pin the blame somewhere.

It's not off "somewhere." It starts with the line, imo. Trevor needs most consistency from the line.

I think you're both correct.

The bad protection and run game ineptitude really disrupts the offense tremendously.
However - to Cleatwood's point - there were communication issues all year long between the QB and skill players as well as the line. 
The line's play does affect timing on throws, but there was also an undercurrent of bad execution rooted in badly timed passes (pressure or no pressure) and miscues of position / route accuracy. That stuff HAS to be corrected. 

Trevor isn't free from blame and neither are many of the guys targeted who weren't on the same page as the QB at times.

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The offense felt off pretty much the entire year…. And they still managed to drop 30 points multiple times.

There was clearly a disconnect somewhere and everyone is trying to pin the blame somewhere.

It's not off "somewhere." It starts with the line, imo. Trevor needs most consistency from the line.

I think you're both correct.

The bad protection and run game ineptitude really disrupts the offense tremendously.
However - to Cleatwood's point - there were communication issues all year long between the QB and skill players as well as the line. 
The line's play does affect timing on throws, but there was also an undercurrent of bad execution rooted in badly timed passes (pressure or no pressure) and miscues of position / route accuracy. That stuff HAS to be corrected. 

Trevor isn't free from blame and neither are many of the guys targeted who weren't on the same page as the QB at times.

I think if you give Trevor 2.7 to 3.5 seconds he's gonna go 5k with 40TDs.

But that means some nasty big men up front that literally tell the other guys how badly they are gonna hurt them if they touch their QB.

Trent Baalke SUCKS at that. Sigh. We are gonna waste Trevor

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I think you're both correct.

The bad protection and run game ineptitude really disrupts the offense tremendously.
However - to Cleatwood's point - there were communication issues all year long between the QB and skill players as well as the line. 
The line's play does affect timing on throws, but there was also an undercurrent of bad execution rooted in badly timed passes (pressure or no pressure) and miscues of position / route accuracy. That stuff HAS to be corrected. 

Trevor isn't free from blame and neither are many of the guys targeted who weren't on the same page as the QB at times.

I think if you give Trevor 2.7 to 3.5 seconds he's gonna go 5k with 40TDs.

But that means some nasty big men up front that literally tell the other guys how badly they are gonna hurt them if they touch their QB.

Trent Baalke SUCKS at that. Sigh. We are gonna waste Trevor

two points here: 

anything at or over 2.5 seconds is fine. But you also need a pocket to step into. 
3.5 seconds is an absolute pipe dream. 

How do you know Baalke/Pederson suck at drafting/signing power gap O-Linemen? 
he has not been asked to do so in Jacksonville thus far? 
He has been asked to acquire finesse players. 
They did just draft a really good RT that looks like he can do both, so that's a start. 

The question is : 
Will Doug ask Trent to go after guys that can play both schemes and will they actually implement more power runs? 

We have no idea where Doug's head is on this problem. He may want to double down on 90% ZBS for all we know.

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I know we will be giving him a mega deal, but there is no reason to do it after his third season, especially one like the one he just had.  I'd keep a little pressure on him next season, and then work out a deal at the end of next year.

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I think you're both correct.

The bad protection and run game ineptitude really disrupts the offense tremendously.
However - to Cleatwood's point - there were communication issues all year long between the QB and skill players as well as the line. 
The line's play does affect timing on throws, but there was also an undercurrent of bad execution rooted in badly timed passes (pressure or no pressure) and miscues of position / route accuracy. That stuff HAS to be corrected. 

Trevor isn't free from blame and neither are many of the guys targeted who weren't on the same page as the QB at times.

I think if you give Trevor 2.7 to 3.5 seconds he's gonna go 5k with 40TDs.

But that means some nasty big men up front that literally tell the other guys how badly they are gonna hurt them if they touch their QB.

Trent Baalke SUCKS at that. Sigh. We are gonna waste Trevor

I don't think the receivers are good enough for that kind of production, but if he can regularly depend on the running game getting two yards when they're needed the team will win 12 plus games with him under center.

This year, with a running game that didn't function except as an occasional change of pace we got 9 wins against one of the NFL's hardest schedules.

I really think people are badly underestimating how much difference he makes for this team that did nothing will except for pass the ball, and if he gets to leave in free agency and pick his situation they probably will win a Superbowl with him.

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The offense felt off pretty much the entire year…. And they still managed to drop 30 points multiple times.

There was clearly a disconnect somewhere and everyone is trying to pin the blame somewhere.

It's not off "somewhere." It starts with the line, imo. Trevor needs most consistency from the line.

I think you're both correct.

The bad protection and run game ineptitude really disrupts the offense tremendously.
However - to Cleatwood's point - there were communication issues all year long between the QB and skill players as well as the line. 
The line's play does affect timing on throws, but there was also an undercurrent of bad execution rooted in badly timed passes (pressure or no pressure) and miscues of position / route accuracy. That stuff HAS to be corrected. 

Trevor isn't free from blame and neither are many of the guys targeted who weren't on the same page as the QB at times.

Yes.

Obviously the OLine was by far the biggest culprit but the players weren’t on the same page way too often. Wrong routes. Wrong timing. Drops. Penalties (so many).

There was just never a groove that the offense seemed to get into.

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The offense felt off pretty much the entire year…. And they still managed to drop 30 points multiple times.

There was clearly a disconnect somewhere and everyone is trying to pin the blame somewhere.

It's not off "somewhere." It starts with the line, imo. Trevor needs most consistency from the line.

I think you're both correct.

The bad protection and run game ineptitude really disrupts the offense tremendously.
However - to Cleatwood's point - there were communication issues all year long between the QB and skill players as well as the line. 
The line's play does affect timing on throws, but there was also an undercurrent of bad execution rooted in badly timed passes (pressure or no pressure) and miscues of position / route accuracy. That stuff HAS to be corrected. 

Trevor isn't free from blame and neither are many of the guys targeted who weren't on the same page as the QB at times.

Agree. 100%.

I think there is a psychological component to QB, and one of the worst things that can happen is when a young QB starts putting too much on his own shoulders. This almost always happens because of a bad o-line or bad coaching (assuming the QB has talent). It's very obvious to me that the line is inconsistent, which is why Trevor can't get into a rhythm. He's rushing his passes, throwing off his back foot, and probably "hoping" his receivers are going to see what he sees or be where he's anticipating. 

What I mean by that last line is that Trevor is going to see the field differently than his receivers. Plays work best when everyone is doing their jobs, and nobody is trying to predict what the other is going to do. If a QB is getting rushed on the timing of a play, he has to predict where someone is going to come open, and that is going to look different to him than to the WR who is focused on his individual man. Let me put it another way. Timing is everything in the NFL. When you have to throw a half second early, that's 3 yards (just approximating here) for an NFL receiver. That tells you a LOT of information about where they are going and when they are going to get there. A receiver deciding to go slightly inside or slightly outside is going to change the trajectory of the throw. The more the QB has to anticipate that, the more chances there is for a disconnect. I think that happens a lot.

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Sunshine pumper Boselli even pumping the brakes on the Lawrence hype.

https://youtu.be/O31vGmFojww?si=VJvC92DY4v5itnWB

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I know we will be giving him a mega deal, but there is no reason to do it after his third season, especially one like the one he just had.  I'd keep a little pressure on him next season, and then work out a deal at the end of next year.

The only way is if you get the team friendly deal. If he signed for like 35 AAV I would sign that deal before I could blink, if I were the Jaguars anyway. Would be a steal especially if he all of a sudden breaks out and the numbers go up, likely lead to a holdout though #becauseJaguars

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Clearly (post GM presser) they still have the Trevor mega deal on the table for THIS offseason.

I think waiting would be better for cap management short term, but I get it.

If they are bought in on his potential then this is the time to do it by NFL modern standards.

I doubt it will involve a "friendly" deal numbers wise but may offer flexibility to move money around over time.

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Surprised by some of the answers in this thread. Trevor Lawrence was playing excent football until the injuries hit and lost his best WR in Kirk. He had 17 game sequence from second half of last season to the first half 2023 where he was putting up top 5 numbers.

The reality is this roster has many deficiencies. Trevor was playing with a bottom tier OL and a bottom tier defense. No running game because the OL is terrible and no time to throw. The Jags don't have a number 1 WR either. The collapse sucked but the Jaguars have much bigger issues than Trevor. He's an excellent QB when healthy as the numbers show and the odds of getting better are very low.

Yeah, he had an excellent connection with Kirk, but that doesn't mean his play shouldve declined due to one player when he still had a solid recieving corps healthy. Look at what Stroud doing with lesser weapons than Lawrence on the field.....

I think its obvious his play declined due to injuries which is largely due to his OL being terrible and some bad luck. Again when healthy he was putting up top 5/10 numbers. I don't agree Stroud has lesser weapons at WR. He doesn't have an Etienne so you're right there, but this OL is so bad he led the league in broken tackles and still didn't even break 4 yards per carry. I mean come on people blaming Trevor simply doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Seems most NFL fans place way too much blame on QBs while ignoring the 21 other starters on the team.

Is there any dispute that his play declined due to injuries? How much do ya'll expect a QB carry a team with a subpar OL in pass pro and run blocking, subpar defense, shaky FG kicker, and a below average WR room? A lot of you guys it seems like the only acceptable answer is Trevor Lawrence playing like Tom Brady

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As GM, I would probably extend Lawrence now if his camp approached me about it, but, as I've said before, if we get him at a discount because of this year I expect we'll be re-doing his deal in 3 years (maybe even 2) anyway. So in that regard, I can see punting to next year making just as much sense for both sides.

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I think it’s all about the numbers. If I can get a discount this year, I would do it. However, I would not give top 5 money this year. I would do top 10 though.

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I’d like to extend now. If Lawrence ends up in the MVP race like he was expected in 2023, the price goes to a max number. Right now there is some wiggle room.

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There is something to be said for getting it done now. We get a better price, and Lawrence has the reassurance of life changing wealth, even if it’s not the very max he could have made with an MVP year this year. Could be a win win.

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I think this deal waits as it's possibly a make or break season for this front office, the coaching staff and even Lawrence going into year four.

March and April this off season right now are far more important than Lawrence's extension.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

There is something to be said for getting it done now. We get a better price, and Lawrence has the reassurance of life changing wealth, even if it’s not the very max he could have made with an MVP year this year. Could be a win win.

Lawrence's rookie contract is 4 years, $37m all guaranteed. I'd say he has already made life changing wealth.

A new deal gives him the reassurance of a [BLEEP] ton more wealth.

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