Thoughts on dipping in for a kicker at 6th or 7th?

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I just have this awful feeling that our first rounder will be a complete head-scratcher.  Sorry in advance if I’m tight.

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I just have this awful feeling that our first rounder will be a complete head-scratcher.  Sorry in advance if I’m tight.

That's because we generally project in terms of need and Baalke and co. are looking at their big board which may or may not have identified best overall player targets at other positions.  Heads exploding as a result can be fun to watch though.

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I just have this awful feeling that our first rounder will be a complete head-scratcher.  Sorry in advance if I’m tight.

New game:  Predict the head scratcher?

For me it's hard to go wrong at 17 other than overdrafting a guy (show me T. Sweat, Frazier, Worthy) or leaving much better guys on the board.

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Head scratcher will be Jordan Morgan or Tyler Guyton at 17. Morgan because he's not considered a top 20 prospect and he would be a RT which puts the whole Cam Robinson, Walker Little and Anton Harrison situation back to front and center.

Guyton would be a head scratcher to most, but, not for me personally. It would make sense if Baalke double dipped at the same school with the same program that just landed him Harrison at RT. I could see the same reasons above being cited with the Robinson and Little situation.

On defense, my head scratchers would be Chop Robinson and Byron Murphy. Not because I don't believe in them nor think they're quality football players, but, more so for the fact that measurements wise they just don't seem like the type of prospects that Baalke would select. I would be pleasantly surprised though.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I just have this awful feeling that our first rounder will be a complete head-scratcher.  Sorry in advance if I’m tight.

New game:  Predict the head scratcher?

For me it's hard to go wrong at 17 other than overdrafting a guy (show me T. Sweat, Frazier, Worthy) or leaving much better guys on the board.

Here's 5 that could fit that overdrafted/head scratcher mold:

Ricky Pearsall - WR, gata
Tyler Nubin - S, Minnesota
Payton Wilson - LB, NC State
Chop Robinson - Edge, Penn State
Darius Robinson - Edge, Mizzou

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

New game:  Predict the head scratcher?

For me it's hard to go wrong at 17 other than overdrafting a guy (show me T. Sweat, Frazier, Worthy) or leaving much better guys on the board.

Here's 5 that could fit that overdrafted/head scratcher mold:

Ricky Pearsall - WR, gata
Tyler Nubin - S, Minnesota
Payton Wilson - LB, NC State
Chop Robinson - Edge, Penn State
Darius Robinson - Edge, Mizzou

If it’s Payton Wilson…..

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Here's 5 that could fit that overdrafted/head scratcher mold:

Ricky Pearsall - WR, gata
Tyler Nubin - S, Minnesota
Payton Wilson - LB, NC State
Chop Robinson - Edge, Penn State
Darius Robinson - Edge, Mizzou

If it’s Payton Wilson…..

....we're gonna need to add some beef to the server. It''l be smoking before pick 19 is in.

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Had fun, made a few trades:

Gave 17 & 96 to the Steelers for 20 & 51
Gave 20 & 236 to the Lions for 29 & 61

29th - Johnny Newton - DT
48th - Christian Haynes - OG
51st - Marshawn Kneeland - EDGE
61st - Ricky Pearsall - WR
114th - Mason McCormick - OG/OC
116th - Khyree Jackson - CB
153rd - Javon Foster - Swing OT
212th - Nehemiah Pritchett - CB

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Thoughts on dipping in for a kicker at 6th or 7th?

It's a possibility.  Slye isn't a lock for the job imo.

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MJD Mock

https://www.nfl.com/news/maurice-jones-d...iggs-trade

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MJD Mock

https://www.nfl.com/news/maurice-jones-d...iggs-trade

Kool-Aid at 17 is a reach. We can do better than that.

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MJD Mock

https://www.nfl.com/news/maurice-jones-d...iggs-trade

Kool-Aid at 17 is a reach. We can do better than that.

Do you think Arnold is a reach at 17

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Kool-Aid at 17 is a reach. We can do better than that.

Do you think Arnold is a reach at 17

I would take Mitchell, Arnold, Wiggins and DeJean before Kool-Aid.

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Do you think Arnold is a reach at 17

I would take Mitchell, Arnold, Wiggins and DeJean before Kool-Aid.

What do you not like about him?  I think he could be a perfect corner for Nielsen's defense.  You know that our new DC plays as much or more press man and press bail than any DC in the league right? He might be the best corner at it. He faster than Arnold as well

McKinstry played exactly 1,000 coverage snaps over the past two years, and 573 were in press, from which he earned a 90.3 coverage grade with two interceptions and an astounding 25 forced incompletions. Playing with your back to the ball in man coverage isn’t for everyone, but McKinstry thrives there. He is calm and confident and has a good feel for when the ball is arriving to punch it out or swipe it away. There are a handful of great press coverage defenders in this class, but it’s hard to not give this superlative to McKinstry.

McKinstry played exactly 1,000 coverage snaps over the past two years, and 573 were in press, from which he earned a 90.3 coverage grade with two interceptions and an astounding 25 forced incompletions. Playing with your back to the ball in man coverage isn’t for everyone, but McKinstry thrives there. He is calm and confident and has a good feel for when the ball is arriving to punch it out or swipe it away. There are a handful of great press coverage defenders in this class, but it’s hard to not give this superlative to McKinstry.

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MJD Mock

https://www.nfl.com/news/maurice-jones-d...iggs-trade

Kool-Aid at 17 is a reach. We can do better than that.

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Kool-Aid at 17 is a reach. We can do better than that.

Do you think Arnold is a reach at 17

Arnold and Mitchell are the only 2 CB I'd take at 17. I'll go so far as to say they're the only two I would take in the first round altogether.

I am already preparing myself for Wiggins to be the pick. Optimistic Pessimism for the win.

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I would take Mitchell, Arnold, Wiggins and DeJean before Kool-Aid.

What do you not like about him?  I think he could be a perfect corner for Nielsen's defense.  You know that our new DC plays as much or more press man and press bail than any DC in the league right?  He might be the best corner at it.  He faster than Arnold as well

McKinstry played exactly 1,000 coverage snaps over the past two years, and 573 were in press, from which he earned a 90.3 coverage grade with two interceptions and an astounding 25 forced incompletions. Playing with your back to the ball in man coverage isn’t for everyone, but McKinstry thrives there. He is calm and confident and has a good feel for when the ball is arriving to punch it out or swipe it away. There are a handful of great press coverage defenders in this class, but it’s hard to not give this superlative to McKinstry.

McKinstry played exactly 1,000 coverage snaps over the past two years, and 573 were in press, from which he earned a 90.3 coverage grade with two interceptions and an astounding 25 forced incompletions. Playing with your back to the ball in man coverage isn’t for everyone, but McKinstry thrives there. He is calm and confident and has a good feel for when the ball is arriving to punch it out or swipe it away. There are a handful of great press coverage defenders in this class, but it’s hard to not give this superlative to McKinstry.

I think the biggest criticism is absolutely the value of taking koolaid at 17. First, you're probably passing on CB who are better; Second, you're probably leaving a WHOLE bunch of better guys at other positions on the board; third, you can probably trade back and get some extra picks if koolaid is your target.

Now if we slid to the mid-20s or later and landed him? A lot of the heartburn goes away.

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What do you not like about him?  I think he could be a perfect corner for Nielsen's defense.  You know that our new DC plays as much or more press man and press bail than any DC in the league right?  He might be the best corner at it.  He faster than Arnold as well

McKinstry played exactly 1,000 coverage snaps over the past two years, and 573 were in press, from which he earned a 90.3 coverage grade with two interceptions and an astounding 25 forced incompletions. Playing with your back to the ball in man coverage isn’t for everyone, but McKinstry thrives there. He is calm and confident and has a good feel for when the ball is arriving to punch it out or swipe it away. There are a handful of great press coverage defenders in this class, but it’s hard to not give this superlative to McKinstry.

McKinstry played exactly 1,000 coverage snaps over the past two years, and 573 were in press, from which he earned a 90.3 coverage grade with two interceptions and an astounding 25 forced incompletions. Playing with your back to the ball in man coverage isn’t for everyone, but McKinstry thrives there. He is calm and confident and has a good feel for when the ball is arriving to punch it out or swipe it away. There are a handful of great press coverage defenders in this class, but it’s hard to not give this superlative to McKinstry.

I think the biggest criticism is absolutely the value of taking koolaid at 17. First, you're probably passing on CB who are better; Second, you're probably leaving a WHOLE bunch of better guys at other positions on the board; third, you can probably trade back and get some extra picks if koolaid is your target.

Now if we slid to the mid-20s or later and landed him? A lot of the heartburn goes away.

I don't think Arnold or Wiggins are better corners than Kool-Aid for this defense. I'd probably take Mitchell and DeJean over McKinstry but they are all close.   In Nielsen's defense it wouldn't be a stretch if they have McKinstry as the their top corner in this draft.  I think injury was the only question but being that its minor and reported that he will be ready by mini camp I could see a team ahead of us taking him like the Colts. He would be good value at 17 depending on how he draft falls. If Bowers or Verse is there you have to take either of those imo though

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What do you not like about him?  I think he could be a perfect corner for Nielsen's defense.  You know that our new DC plays as much or more press man and press bail than any DC in the league right?  He might be the best corner at it.  He faster than Arnold as well

McKinstry played exactly 1,000 coverage snaps over the past two years, and 573 were in press, from which he earned a 90.3 coverage grade with two interceptions and an astounding 25 forced incompletions. Playing with your back to the ball in man coverage isn’t for everyone, but McKinstry thrives there. He is calm and confident and has a good feel for when the ball is arriving to punch it out or swipe it away. There are a handful of great press coverage defenders in this class, but it’s hard to not give this superlative to McKinstry.

McKinstry played exactly 1,000 coverage snaps over the past two years, and 573 were in press, from which he earned a 90.3 coverage grade with two interceptions and an astounding 25 forced incompletions. Playing with your back to the ball in man coverage isn’t for everyone, but McKinstry thrives there. He is calm and confident and has a good feel for when the ball is arriving to punch it out or swipe it away. There are a handful of great press coverage defenders in this class, but it’s hard to not give this superlative to McKinstry.

I think the biggest criticism is absolutely the value of taking koolaid at 17. First, you're probably passing on CB who are better; Second, you're probably leaving a WHOLE bunch of better guys at other positions on the board; third, you can probably trade back and get some extra picks if koolaid is your target.

Now if we slid to the mid-20s or later and landed him? A lot of the heartburn goes away.

If Nielsen wants to run a lot of press man and press bail you think it's bad value to take the best press corner in the draft?

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I'm still willing to bet that Baalke trades down on night one of the draft.

flgators dreams of Bowers being around at 17...pipe dream. He says he wants the Jags to trade down if players he likes are not there at 17. Now he wants Kool-Aid at 17. Smh.

Trade down and get a decent tackle in the 20's, while picking up extra picks and call it a night.

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