Is there any way we could get KoolAid or DeJean and Johnny Newton or Byron Murphy?  Any chance one of the 3 falls to the 2nd and trade up from 48?  I think that would be the best case possible realistic scenario in this draft.  A great DT and a shutdown corner

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Anyone know if Newton is going to have a private workout?  If not he might fall

It seems possible that Newton could drop to the 2nd round as well as KoolAid. I could see the Jaguars trying to move up for Newton if they take a corner in round 1. Other players who might be trade up targets are Darious Robinson, who seems like a Baalke type of player, Rakestraw- if they don't go corner in round 1 or one of the receivers that they feel could be a number 1 (Coleman, Franklin, Pearsall, etc). I'm starting to see some mocks in which JPJ drops to round 2 so he'd be another possibility. 

I agree with you that the best possible scenario would be a corner in round 1 and pass rushing DT like Newton in round 2. Definitely would be worth giving up the 3rd round pick to end up with 2 potential difference makers on defense.

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Is there any way we could get KoolAid or DeJean and Johnny Newton or Byron Murphy?  Any chance one of the 3 falls to the 2nd and trade up from 48?  I think that would be the best case possible realistic scenario in this draft.  A great DT and a shutdown corner

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Anyone know if Newton is going to have a private workout?  If not he might fall

It seems possible that Newton could drop to the 2nd round as well as KoolAid. I could see the Jaguars trying to move up for Newton if they take a corner in round 1. Other players who might be trade up targets are Darious Robinson, who seems like a Baalke type of player, Rakestraw- if they don't go corner in round 1 or one of the receivers that they feel could be a number 1 (Coleman, Franklin, Pearsall, etc). I'm starting to see some mocks in which JPJ drops to round 2 so he'd be another possibility. 

I agree with you that the best possible scenario would be a corner in round 1 and pass rushing DT like Newton in round 2. Definitely would be worth giving up the 3rd round pick to end up with 2 potential difference makers on defense.

Kool-aid to the 2nd?  I think it was possible with his foot injury but it's being reported he will be ready by traing camp.  I could see KoolAid going before Arnold if the reports are true and teams don't ding him for his foot.

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Kool-Aid is the best proven man to man corner in this draft. Mitchell and DeJean wasn't asked to do it as much but I think they both of the potential to be great in any scheme. It's hard to find very good man corners coming out of college and McKinstry has been that. He was also the highest rated of all these corners coming out of High school so he's been very good pretty much his whole life, not just one of these fast or late risers. We shall see. If he does make it to the 2nd I'd trade of for him if we don't go corner at 17

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It seems possible that Newton could drop to the 2nd round as well as KoolAid. I could see the Jaguars trying to move up for Newton if they take a corner in round 1. Other players who might be trade up targets are Darious Robinson, who seems like a Baalke type of player, Rakestraw- if they don't go corner in round 1 or one of the receivers that they feel could be a number 1 (Coleman, Franklin, Pearsall, etc). I'm starting to see some mocks in which JPJ drops to round 2 so he'd be another possibility. 

I agree with you that the best possible scenario would be a corner in round 1 and pass rushing DT like Newton in round 2. Definitely would be worth giving up the 3rd round pick to end up with 2 potential difference makers on defense.

Kool-aid to the 2nd?  I think it was possible with his foot injury but it's being reported he will be ready by traing camp.  I could see KoolAid going before Arnold if the reports are true and teams don't ding him for his foot.

It will be interesting on draft day to see in which order the cornerbacks go. There are cases to be made for any one of Mitchell,Arnold,DeJean, Wiggins and even McKinstry being at the top of certain teams lists. As far as the Jaguars personal list, your guess is as good as mine. I could see Wiggins being the number 1 if their secondary coach who worked with him before pounds the table for him. At this point, none of these candidates would shock me if they end up in teal and it's even possible they love some darkhorse like Rakestraw from Missouri. The most important thing is that they don't reach at 17 if their top corners are gone since there will likely be other very good options at receiver (Thomas), Edge (Verse, Latu) and offensive line (many options) if there is an unexpected early run on cornerbacks.

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Kool-aid to the 2nd?  I think it was possible with his foot injury but it's being reported he will be ready by traing camp.  I could see KoolAid going before Arnold if the reports are true and teams don't ding him for his foot.

It will be interesting on draft day to see in which order the cornerbacks go. There are cases to be made for any one of Mitchell,Arnold,DeJean, Wiggins and even McKinstry being at the top of certain teams lists. As far as the Jaguars personal list, your guess is as good as mine. I could see Wiggins being the number 1 if their secondary coach who worked with him before pounds the table for him. At this point, none of these candidates would shock me if they end up in teal and it's even possible they love some darkhorse like Rakestraw from Missouri. The most important thing is that they don't reach at 17 if their top corners are gone since there will likely be other very good options at receiver (Thomas), Edge (Verse, Latu) and offensive line (many options) if there is an unexpected early run on cornerbacks.

Wasn't Richard at Alabama Pro day too working out Alabamas DBs?  It really will come down to what Nielsen wants to do on defense and what corner fits what we want to do best.  In the past he ran more man and press man than any other defense.  A corner that can tackle will be important for this defense if he continues to run the same D and one of the knocks on Wiggins is his weight and tackling ability.  It would be an odd fit imo.

  I think teams will have these corners rated differently depending on what type of defense teams run.  With as mush man as Nielsen runs and McKinstry was the best press corner in college I don't think it would be a stretch if he is Nielsens top corner.  Would love it if we good get him in the 2nd though.  Teams that don't run as much man probably won't have McKinstry rated as high.  Have to look at scheme fits.

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It will be interesting on draft day to see in which order the cornerbacks go. There are cases to be made for any one of Mitchell,Arnold,DeJean, Wiggins and even McKinstry being at the top of certain teams lists. As far as the Jaguars personal list, your guess is as good as mine. I could see Wiggins being the number 1 if their secondary coach who worked with him before pounds the table for him. At this point, none of these candidates would shock me if they end up in teal and it's even possible they love some darkhorse like Rakestraw from Missouri. The most important thing is that they don't reach at 17 if their top corners are gone since there will likely be other very good options at receiver (Thomas), Edge (Verse, Latu) and offensive line (many options) if there is an unexpected early run on cornerbacks.

Wasn't Richard at Alabama Pro day too working out Alabamas DBs?  It really will come down to what Nielsen wants to do on defense and what corner fits what we want to do best.  In the past he ran more man and press man than any other defense.  A corner that can tackle will be important for this defense if he continues to run the same D and one of the knocks on Wiggins is his weight and tackling ability.  It would be an odd fit imo.

  I think teams will have these corners rated differently depending on what type of defense teams run.  With as mush man as Nielsen runs and McKinstry was the best press corner in college I don't think it would be a stretch if he is Nielsens top corner.  Would love it if we good get him in the 2nd though.  Teams that don't run as much man probably won't have McKinstry rated as high.  Have to look at scheme fits.

That would be nice to land him in the 2nd, but even zone schemes will play man at times or have zone/man hybrid defenses.  If McKinstry is viewed as consensus best man corner in the draft, he's not making it to the 2nd round.

Getting him in a trade back into the 20's would be a very good scenario for us, however.

I'd still favor building the Great Wall of Duval around Trev and letting him cook and allowing Etienne to get to the 2nd level much easier where he is dangerous.

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Wasn't Richard at Alabama Pro day too working out Alabamas DBs?  It really will come down to what Nielsen wants to do on defense and what corner fits what we want to do best.  In the past he ran more man and press man than any other defense.  A corner that can tackle will be important for this defense if he continues to run the same D and one of the knocks on Wiggins is his weight and tackling ability.  It would be an odd fit imo.

  I think teams will have these corners rated differently depending on what type of defense teams run.  With as mush man as Nielsen runs and McKinstry was the best press corner in college I don't think it would be a stretch if he is Nielsens top corner.  Would love it if we good get him in the 2nd though.  Teams that don't run as much man probably won't have McKinstry rated as high.  Have to look at scheme fits.

That would be nice to land him in the 2nd, but even zone schemes will play man at times or have zone/man hybrid defenses.  If McKinstry is viewed as consensus best man corner in the draft, he's not making it to the 2nd round.

I agree, there is no chance he would make it to the 2nd before the injury but he just had surgery on his foot.  If there is no medical concerns he ain't making it to the 2nd.

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Wasn't Richard at Alabama Pro day too working out Alabamas DBs?  It really will come down to what Nielsen wants to do on defense and what corner fits what we want to do best.  In the past he ran more man and press man than any other defense.  A corner that can tackle will be important for this defense if he continues to run the same D and one of the knocks on Wiggins is his weight and tackling ability.  It would be an odd fit imo.

  I think teams will have these corners rated differently depending on what type of defense teams run.  With as mush man as Nielsen runs and McKinstry was the best press corner in college I don't think it would be a stretch if he is Nielsens top corner.  Would love it if we good get him in the 2nd though.  Teams that don't run as much man probably won't have McKinstry rated as high.  Have to look at scheme fits.

That would be nice to land him in the 2nd, but even zone schemes will play man at times or have zone/man hybrid defenses.  If McKinstry is viewed as consensus best man corner in the draft, he's not making it to the 2nd round.

Getting him in a trade back into the 20's would be a very good scenario for us, however.

I'd still favor building the Great Wall of Duval around Trev and letting him cook and allowing Etienne to get to the 2nd level much easier where he is dangerous.

thank you 

I would love nothing more than to see a quality IDL and a quality OL selection both occur prior to the 4th round.

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That would be nice to land him in the 2nd, but even zone schemes will play man at times or have zone/man hybrid defenses.  If McKinstry is viewed as consensus best man corner in the draft, he's not making it to the 2nd round.

Getting him in a trade back into the 20's would be a very good scenario for us, however.

I'd still favor building the Great Wall of Duval around Trev and letting him cook and allowing Etienne to get to the 2nd level much easier where he is dangerous.

thank you 

I would love nothing more than to see a quality IDL and a quality OL selection both occur prior to the 4th round.

That and a Javon Baker may very well be there for us at the end of the 3rd or a Brendan Rice in the 4th.  These guys may not be Odunze, but they would contribute here pretty quickly and have potential to be 1's or 2's in a couple of years I think as Kirk and Zay may find themselves elsewhere on that same timeline.  I like Ja'Lynn Polk as well. Might have to package a 4th with our 3rd to move up and get Baker or Polk a little earlier in round 3, but I'd prefer that to paying whatever it would cost to move up from 17 to get Odunze.

I won't be upset regardless of how our draft goes because you can't control who the 31 other teams pick, but gosh I'd love to see value meet need in the 1st and 2nd rounds with some big uglies.

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Wasn't Richard at Alabama Pro day too working out Alabamas DBs?  It really will come down to what Nielsen wants to do on defense and what corner fits what we want to do best.  In the past he ran more man and press man than any other defense.  A corner that can tackle will be important for this defense if he continues to run the same D and one of the knocks on Wiggins is his weight and tackling ability.  It would be an odd fit imo.

  I think teams will have these corners rated differently depending on what type of defense teams run.  With as mush man as Nielsen runs and McKinstry was the best press corner in college I don't think it would be a stretch if he is Nielsens top corner.  Would love it if we good get him in the 2nd though.  Teams that don't run as much man probably won't have McKinstry rated as high.  Have to look at scheme fits.

That would be nice to land him in the 2nd, but even zone schemes will play man at times or have zone/man hybrid defenses.  If McKinstry is viewed as consensus best man corner in the draft, he's not making it to the 2nd round.

Getting him in a trade back into the 20's would be a very good scenario for us, however.

I'd still favor building the Great Wall of Duval around Trev and letting him cook and allowing Etienne to get to the 2nd level much easier where he is dangerous.

Agreed, there were opportunities there last year, and there likely will this year.  Just depends on who is available when we pick.  Hopefully Baalke has a better bigboard than in years past.  A healthy oline would be a big step in that direction.

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thank you 

I would love nothing more than to see a quality IDL and a quality OL selection both occur prior to the 4th round.

That and a Javon Baker may very well be there for us at the end of the 3rd or a Brendan Rice in the 4th.  These guys may not be Odunze, but they would contribute here pretty quickly and have potential to be 1's or 2's in a couple of years I think as Kirk and Zay may find themselves elsewhere on that same timeline.  

I won't be upset regardless of how our draft goes because you can't control who the 31 other teams pick, but gosh I'd love to see value meet need in the 1st and 2nd rounds with some big uglies.

Who do you want in the first?

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That and a Javon Baker may very well be there for us at the end of the 3rd or a Brendan Rice in the 4th.  These guys may not be Odunze, but they would contribute here pretty quickly and have potential to be 1's or 2's in a couple of years I think as Kirk and Zay may find themselves elsewhere on that same timeline.  

I won't be upset regardless of how our draft goes because you can't control who the 31 other teams pick, but gosh I'd love to see value meet need in the 1st and 2nd rounds with some big uglies.

Who do you want in the first?

Ideally, I'd go tackle and have a tentative deal for Cam already in place to get back into the 3rd or early 4th round.  Outside of that, I don't really care or root for a particular outcome on draft day. I just enjoy watching it unfold and sometimes enjoy watching heads explode.  There are a lot of ways 17 can go that would be good for us.  Corner, Receiver, Center, Tackle.  Though I think I'd prefer trading back if we're going Center.

I just ran a mock on mock draft database and Alt slipped to 17.  We can dream right?

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Who do you want in the first?

Ideally, I'd go tackle and have a tentative deal for Cam already in place to get back into the 3rd or early 4th round.  Outside of that, I don't really care or root for a particular outcome on draft day. I just enjoy watching it unfold and sometimes enjoy watching heads explode.  There are a lot of ways 17 can go that would be good for us.  Corner, Receiver, Center, Tackle.  Though I think I'd prefer trading back if we're going Center.

I just ran a mock on mock draft database and Alt slipped to 17.  We can dream right?

So you would take Amarius Mims over Quinyon Mitchell?

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Ideally, I'd go tackle and have a tentative deal for Cam already in place to get back into the 3rd or early 4th round.  Outside of that, I don't really care or root for a particular outcome on draft day. I just enjoy watching it unfold and sometimes enjoy watching heads explode.  There are a lot of ways 17 can go that would be good for us.  Corner, Receiver, Center, Tackle.  Though I think I'd prefer trading back if we're going Center.

I just ran a mock on mock draft database and Alt slipped to 17.  We can dream right?

So you would take Amarius Mims over Quinyon Mitchell?

I don't draft for position especially in the first round.  I just hope value meets need with a big guy in the early rounds more than once.  I haven't evaluated Tackle yet honestly and not sure a layman can at any degree of confidence other than pointing out the clear whiffs.  Hearing Alt and Fautanu as high quality guys around here and seeing where they are mocked.  Are you saying Mims isn't one of them and not worth a first or mid first?  I honestly don't know.

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So you would take Amarius Mims over Quinyon Mitchell?

I don't draft for position especially in the first round.  I just hope value meets need with a big guy in the early rounds more than once.  I haven't evaluated Tackle yet honestly and not sure a layman can at any degree of confidence other than pointing out the clear whiffs.  Hearing Alt and Fautanu as high quality guys around here and seeing where they are mocked.  Are you saying Mims isn't one of them and not worth a first or mid first?  I honestly don't know.

I'm very high on Mims.  He's had a few injuries, not a lot of experience in college but he was a beast in the 8 games or so he played.  He's a massive man so you have to worry about injuries if you just look at the history with guys his size.  If he stays healthy I think he could become one of the best RTs in the league.  He's very athletic for his size as well

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I would be ecstatic with that draft. Give me that all day.

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Keon at 48 would be kind of a ho hum pick for me.  I get he'd be the big body we're missing in the receiver room, but not sure I see a significant value for taking him at that spot.  I'd prefer Ja'Lynn Polk in a trade down scenario or Braden Fiske at DT that went one pick behind him in this mock if we decide to go a different direction or even Ben Sinnott at TE if you want your big body receiver.  Run the hell out of 12 or 13 personnel with Engram, Sinnott and Strange who will hopefully have taken a step forward this season as a receiver.  Keon at 4.61 speed and Sinnott at 4.68 while at 250 lbs.  Give me Sinnott over Keon all day.  Heads would explode at taking another TE in the 2nd round that many are not as read up on as Bowers, but I don't care.  We may wind up parting ways with Engram after this season or next anyway.

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Who do you want in the first?

Ideally, I'd go tackle and have a tentative deal for Cam already in place to get back into the 3rd or early 4th round.  Outside of that, I don't really care or root for a particular outcome on draft day. I just enjoy watching it unfold and sometimes enjoy watching heads explode.  There are a lot of ways 17 can go that would be good for us.  Corner, Receiver, Center, Tackle.  Though I think I'd prefer trading back if we're going Center.

I just ran a mock on mock draft database and Alt slipped to 17.  We can dream right?

I'll add that the bolded probably applies mostly to the first round as that will influence what we do in the subsequent rounds.  I do rank guys in position groups like I mentioned that I'd prefer Ja'Lynn Polk to Keon Coleman so I would be a little disappointed if we chose Keon in the 2nd with Polk still on the board.  Though I get it if you're specifically looking for a big bodied receiver in the 2nd round as Polk is 2" shorter than Keon.  So I wouldn't be overly concerned but I'd probably be more critical during the season if it was apparent he wasn't clearly the better player pretty quickly and I might prefer opting to go another position in the 2nd and then hope Brendan Rice is still on the board for us in the 4th and be similarly happy with having added a decent sized receiver.

It's more difficult to say this consensus 1st round WR is better than this consensus 1st round DT or whatever positions you want to compare at 17.  When you're comparing very good to great at one position vs very good to great at another position, I don't really have a preference other than maybe take the guy from the position group that is less deep for the remainder of the draft because perhaps you will be fortunate enough to get an almost as good player in the 2nd or 3rd round from the position group you opted not to take in the 1st.

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In a heart beat.

Take a corner at 48.

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