Air Force Safety Trey Taylor is who I want in the 6th.  Low risk High reward pick

Ed Reed's cousin, so there's blood line there. It's also the last year the Service Academy players can go directly to pro sports. Next year they are reinstituting the mandatory two years of service rule for those guys. I was high on Taylor early, but with DT resigning it looks like taking a safety this year is a stretch. If they plan on Cisco being gone then I could see this guy as the 2025 Free Safety. he's a great player and obviously high character.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Air Force Safety Trey Taylor is who I want in the 6th.  Low risk High reward pick

Ed Reed's cousin, so there's blood line there. It's also the last year the Service Academy players can go directly to pro sports. Next year they are reinstituting the mandatory two years of service rule for those guys. I was high on Taylor early, but with DT resigning it looks like taking a safety this year is a stretch. If they plan on Cisco being gone then I could see this guy as the 2025 Free Safety. he's a great player and obviously high character.

Yeah, I don't care about need if I think he's the top guy available.  Inwant the best players i can find at any position even if we add a really good depth player.  Injuries happen and we could use depth at most positions and like you said, we dont know Cisco future here.  He was also this years Thorpe Award winner.  Injuries happen and we need depth at most positions. Of course we don't know how the board will fall but he would be a guy id be very happy with if we add him late

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https://twitter.com/CSimmsQB/status/1780...fcgmA&s=19

Interesting takes for DeJean and Rakestraw as Safties. It is Chris Simms though...

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

using a lot of present tense here when the preterite is more appropriate.

Go back and look at that '99 darft, it was a stinker. He got so very lucky that Brady was a whole lot more than anyone expected.
I'll grant that he is a fabulous student of the game and strategist, but rarely was he winning in the darft. Having QB set in stone saved them a lot of desperation and gave them leverage to take advantage of less disciplined teams on darft day, where they amassed volumes of picks.

Compared to a guy like Ozzie Newsome, Belichick wasn't anything special when it came to evaluating talent.

Who drafted Brady?  Those SB teams had a ton of talent with Brady as well.  BB has 4 more rings than Newsome and he was also the coach on top of filling the GM roll.  Like I said, BB was always picking at the back of every round so it makes it much harder and that much more impressive what he has done in his career.   Regardless how you feel about how good of a drafter he was he knows how teams operate pre draft, that's the point.  He was stating facts about WRs drafted in the first, he wasn't talking about his drafts he was talking about the whole league.  Lots of insight from him in how teams think pre draft.   He wasn't just talking about how he operates he was talking around the league, if you watched the video you would understand that.

The same guy who drafted these schlubs:

2000 New England Patriots Draft Selections 
Round Overall Player Position College
2 46 Adrian Klemm Offensive tackle Hawaii
3 76 J. R. Redmond Running back Arizona State
4 127 Greg Robinson-Randall Offensive tackle Michigan State
5 141 Dave Stachelski Tight end Boise State
5[a] 161 Jeff Marriott Defensive tackle Missouri
6 187 Antwan Harris Safety Virginia
6 201 David Nugent Defensive end Purdue
7 226 Casey Tisdale Linebacker New Mexico
7 239 Patrick Pass Fullback Georgia

I'd venture that if you compared his picks to any other GM or coach/GM hybrid that the hit rate is no better, especially considering the volume of picks they usually amassed.

Is he wise, being around the game for 50-plus years? sure. Anybody who's been in the same line of work for 50 years is going to have wisdom about the work they've done. Good for him, but IMHO he ain't that special - tawmy saved his bacon on a heap of the reputation he has.

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It should be Rome Odunze, no matter what. Make it happen !!

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Who drafted Brady?  Those SB teams had a ton of talent with Brady as well.  BB has 4 more rings than Newsome and he was also the coach on top of filling the GM roll.  Like I said, BB was always picking at the back of every round so it makes it much harder and that much more impressive what he has done in his career.   Regardless how you feel about how good of a drafter he was he knows how teams operate pre draft, that's the point.  He was stating facts about WRs drafted in the first, he wasn't talking about his drafts he was talking about the whole league.  Lots of insight from him in how teams think pre draft.   He wasn't just talking about how he operates he was talking around the league, if you watched the video you would understand that.

The same guy who drafted these schlubs:

2000 New England Patriots Draft Selections 
Round Overall Player Position College
2 46 Adrian Klemm Offensive tackle Hawaii
3 76 J. R. Redmond Running back Arizona State
4 127 Greg Robinson-Randall Offensive tackle Michigan State
5 141 Dave Stachelski Tight end Boise State
5[a] 161 Jeff Marriott Defensive tackle Missouri
6 187 Antwan Harris Safety Virginia
6 201 David Nugent Defensive end Purdue
7 226 Casey Tisdale Linebacker New Mexico
7 239 Patrick Pass Fullback Georgia

I'd venture that if you compared his picks to any other GM or coach/GM hybrid that the hit rate is no better, especially considering the volume of picks they usually amassed.

Is he wise, being around the game for 50-plus years? sure. Anybody who's been in the same line of work for 50 years is going to have wisdom about the work they've done. Good for him, but IMHO he ain't that special - tawmy saved his bacon on a heap of the reputation he has.

I'll take that draft any day of the week with Brady mixed in.  Hit hit rate was good enough to win 6 SBs and the rings are all that matters.  I'll take the 6 rings and then let people debate how they feel about my drafting lol. As I said, it's harder to have a higher hit rate when you pick at the end in most drafts. He did have a couple high draft picks like in 2001 when he had the 6th overall pick and that player is in the HOF

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https://twitter.com/CSimmsQB/status/1780...fcgmA&s=19

Interesting takes for DeJean and Rakestraw as Safties. It is Chris Simms though...

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I think he's spot on with DeJean and Rakestraw. McCourty said the same thing about both. Dejean is a FS or Nickle ideally. I watch him vs the other CBs he doesn't have the hips of Wiggins/Mitchell 

Time will tell one way or other

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https://twitter.com/CSimmsQB/status/1780...fcgmA&s=19

Interesting takes for DeJean and Rakestraw as Safties. It is Chris Simms though...

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I think he's spot on with DeJean and Rakestraw. McCourty said the same thing about both. Dejean is a FS or Nickle ideally. I watch him vs the other CBs he doesn't have the hips of Wiggins/Mitchell 

Time will tell one way or other

To be a nickle you have to be able to move very well and arguably better than playing on the outside.  Teams usually put the quicker and more shifter players in the slot so I don't understand how you figure that.  I think DeJean will be a very good corner, we shall see.

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I think he's spot on with DeJean and Rakestraw. McCourty said the same thing about both. Dejean is a FS or Nickle ideally. I watch him vs the other CBs he doesn't have the hips of Wiggins/Mitchell 

Time will tell one way or other

To be a nickle you have to be able to move very well and arguably better than playing on the outside.  Teams usually put the quicker and more shifter players in the slot so I don't understand how you figure that.  I think DeJean will be a very good corner, we shall see.

It's because he's white. Nobody wants to say it openly but it's the truth. It's extremely rare that you see a white guy playing CB in the NFL. Jason Sehorn was the last one that I can think of that did it highly enough to merit a respectable amount of attention, accolades, etc. 

Funny enough, DeJean's teammate, Riley Moss, I was high on him last year and he ended up in Denver as a third round selection I believe. He was also a playmaker. I think he had more defensive TD's than DeJean did at Iowa if I am not mistaken. With DeJean. I just don't know. 

Sometimes I feel like he could make for a great Harrison Smith type safety because of his size and speed. Sometimes I think he's sticky enough and instinctive enough to play on the outside. The athlete matches the eye test on film for me. Which is important. 

Only knock on him is competition in college and jumping into the NFL. However, that argument gets tossed out the window for me when you consider Gardner's success since leaving the Bearcats and you have Mitchell as a consensus CB1 coming out of Toledo this year. 

So, it'll be interesting. DeJean is a very polarizing prospect for me. I wouldn't mind him in Jacksonville. It would just depend on how Nielsen views him and chooses to dispatch him within his secondary.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Yea, if the draft went like this they'd have to attempt to move up for Newton or JPJ. Newton's workout today may move him back into the first round, however. Not sure if anyone else is worth moving up for with the possible exception of Ennis Rakestraw if they don't go corner in round 1.

Rakestraw?  Hes a slower corner.  If this is acurate im not a fan.

Football Insights ? on X: "2024 Cornerback Class in Man vs Zone https://t.co/j8g8egzKqe" / X (twitter.com)

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Kyree Jackson is a corner id love to add.  6'4" corner

I think he's spot on with DeJean and Rakestraw. McCourty said the same thing about both. Dejean is a FS or Nickle ideally. I watch him vs the other CBs he doesn't have the hips of Wiggins/Mitchell 

Time will tell one way or other

To be a nickle you have to be able to move very well and arguably better than playing on the outside.  Teams usually put the quicker and more shifter players in the slot so I don't understand how you figure that.  I think DeJean will be a very good corner, we shall see.

Perhaps I don't spend enough time watching NFL outside of the Jags. Haven't been a big NFL guy till lately. Ever since Brent Venables was hired at Clemson as DC in 2011 Clemson always put big CBs or safety's without great hips at Nickle as an extra LB for more speed in pass defense but doesn't sacrifice run support either as they never put their true CBs/twitched up guys in the slot. I assumed the NFL worked the same way since it's so effective for Clemson. NFL is a different beast

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To be a nickle you have to be able to move very well and arguably better than playing on the outside.  Teams usually put the quicker and more shifter players in the slot so I don't understand how you figure that.  I think DeJean will be a very good corner, we shall see.

It's because he's white. Nobody wants to say it openly but it's the truth. It's extremely rare that you see a white guy playing CB in the NFL. Jason Sehorn was the last one that I can think of that did it highly enough to merit a respectable amount of attention, accolades, etc. 

Funny enough, DeJean's teammate, Riley Moss, I was high on him last year and he ended up in Denver as a third round selection I believe. He was also a playmaker. I think he had more defensive TD's than DeJean did at Iowa if I am not mistaken. With DeJean. I just don't know. 

Sometimes I feel like he could make for a great Harrison Smith type safety because of his size and speed. Sometimes I think he's sticky enough and instinctive enough to play on the outside. The athlete matches the eye test on film for me. Which is important. 

Only knock on him is competition in college and jumping into the NFL. However, that argument gets tossed out the window for me when you consider Gardner's success since leaving the Bearcats and you have Mitchell as a consensus CB1 coming out of Toledo this year. 

So, it'll be interesting. DeJean is a very polarizing prospect for me. I wouldn't mind him in Jacksonville. It would just depend on how Nielsen views him and chooses to dispatch him within his secondary.

It's definitely part that's he's white for me. As you stated there are simply not many white guys with silky hips. I watch him I feel my thoughts are confirmed. I don't see someone I want playing man on man vs Justin Jefferson/Chase/Tyreek Hill asking to shut them down. I don't think he can do it play after play. I see someone I would move around like Brian Dawkins/Troy Polamalu making plays deep as a ballhawk and coming up creating TFLs all around playmaker to account for

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Curious. How many rosters spot are realistically up for grabs?

Most of the Jags day 3 picks would probably be fighting to make a practice squad.

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Curious. How many rosters spot are realistically up for grabs?

Most of the Jags day 3 picks would probably be fighting to make a practice squad.

Realistically? I think you can easily make a case for the following for sure:

DEFENSE:
CB2
NICKEL CB
DT2
DT3
EDGE3
EDGE4

OFFENSE:
WR1
WR3
C1
C2
LT1
SWING TACKLE
RG1

That's at least thirteen spots up for grabs in my opinion as that's where our biggest question marks remain today and with looming contract's expiring. We absolutely need competition for the rotational components to this football team. It was overwhelmingly bad at times with how lack luster the depth was.

I am not convinced that guys like Darby & Johnson in the secondary should be guaranteed jobs. As Baalke has a historical knack for consistently targeting secondary players via the draft. The entire front four still needs work. Armstead, Allen & Walker are not enough. 

We need Hamilton to step up. We need Robertson-Harris to step up. We need Lacy and Abdullah from last year's class to step up. I think they will still pursue a promising pair of DT's or EDGE rushers in this draft again like last year to add more competition as potential rotational pieces. 

Offensively, take your pick. Morse is a stop gap solution. Fortner was benched for a 10 year veteran. We could be looking for an immediate long term solution in this draft next week. Same can be said for the LT and Swing Tackle positions. Robinson and Little are not durable and neither guy is guaranteed to be back in 2025.

Scherff is on his last leg in Jacksonville. RG is a bigger need and hole than most people care to admit while being in awestruck with this year's receiving class. Speaking of receivers. While we added Davis. We still need a Ridley type receiver, and, we have Kirk and Jones coming back from injuries. 

Zay needs competition. Kirk needs another body outside of just Davis to help him thrive as a slot receiver. There's plenty of work to do with this roster in my opinion. Baalke and Co. better leave no stone unturned next weekend. A lot of jobs are on the line in my opinion.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Here is the guy the called Burns to NY and Ridley to Ten. before they happened

https://twitter.com/prettyrickey213/stat...3536548290

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https://twitter.com/RiseNDraft/status/17...gr%5Etweet

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To be a nickle you have to be able to move very well and arguably better than playing on the outside.  Teams usually put the quicker and more shifter players in the slot so I don't understand how you figure that.  I think DeJean will be a very good corner, we shall see.

It's because he's white. Nobody wants to say it openly but it's the truth. It's extremely rare that you see a white guy playing CB in the NFL. Jason Sehorn was the last one that I can think of that did it highly enough to merit a respectable amount of attention, accolades, etc. 

Funny enough, DeJean's teammate, Riley Moss, I was high on him last year and he ended up in Denver as a third round selection I believe. He was also a playmaker. I think he had more defensive TD's than DeJean did at Iowa if I am not mistaken. With DeJean. I just don't know. 

Sometimes I feel like he could make for a great Harrison Smith type safety because of his size and speed. Sometimes I think he's sticky enough and instinctive enough to play on the outside. The athlete matches the eye test on film for me. Which is important. 

Only knock on him is competition in college and jumping into the NFL. However, that argument gets tossed out the window for me when you consider Gardner's success since leaving the Bearcats and you have Mitchell as a consensus CB1 coming out of Toledo this year. 

So, it'll be interesting. DeJean is a very polarizing prospect for me. I wouldn't mind him in Jacksonville. It would just depend on how Nielsen views him and chooses to dispatch him within his secondary.

Iowa is still in the B1G, right?

Heck, if anything, playing for them should push him up a few pegs. That offense was MISERABLE, so he had ample opportunity to be on the field doin his thing. @Unless, of course, you're worried about mileage on those legs@

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Curious. How many rosters spot are realistically up for grabs?

Most of the Jags day 3 picks would probably be fighting to make a practice squad.

Depends. if a lot of the young guys at the bottom of our roster don't fit the new DC's scheme, they may be odd men out unless they excel at ST coverage

Even then, they'd have to be an ace to stay on the roster over a new guy who fits scheme and can run downfield in a hurry on a punt or kickoff.

Always be gettin better. Probably 10-15 spots where we could say it's bubble/competition. You can always stash a guy on IR if the class is deep at a position and an unfortunate ankle sprain in the film room happens...

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To be a nickle you have to be able to move very well and arguably better than playing on the outside.  Teams usually put the quicker and more shifter players in the slot so I don't understand how you figure that.  I think DeJean will be a very good corner, we shall see.

It's because he's white. Nobody wants to say it openly but it's the truth. It's extremely rare that you see a white guy playing CB in the NFL. Jason Sehorn was the last one that I can think of that did it highly enough to merit a respectable amount of attention, accolades, etc. 

Funny enough, DeJean's teammate, Riley Moss, I was high on him last year and he ended up in Denver as a third round selection I believe. He was also a playmaker. I think he had more defensive TD's than DeJean did at Iowa if I am not mistaken. With DeJean. I just don't know. 

Sometimes I feel like he could make for a great Harrison Smith type safety because of his size and speed. Sometimes I think he's sticky enough and instinctive enough to play on the outside. The athlete matches the eye test on film for me. Which is important. 

Only knock on him is competition in college and jumping into the NFL. However, that argument gets tossed out the window for me when you consider Gardner's success since leaving the Bearcats and you have Mitchell as a consensus CB1 coming out of Toledo this year. 

So, it'll be interesting. DeJean is a very polarizing prospect for me. I wouldn't mind him in Jacksonville. It would just depend on how Nielsen views him and chooses to dispatch him within his secondary.

Exactly.  Caitlin Clark is kinda dealing with the same thing right now and shes from Iowa as well.

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It’s refreshing coming on here after seeing all the Facebook posts wanting to trade everything to way move up for Rome or Nabers. They will be stars, no doubt, but it’s absolutely the wrong move for this team right now. I think the casual fan just wants the offseason entertainment “high” of making a move like that but then will be clamoring for Baalke to be fired when we don’t roster the best possible TEAM this fall and the glaring holes start to show.

A top end talent at corner is a must for this team as well as seriously beefing up both lines, pun intended. I know Baalke is a touchy subject but he’s done a solid job and after listening to him yesterday, two things became clear to me. 1, we aren’t trading way up for a receiver and 2, I’m comfortable with him calling the shots right now.

Now, with all that said, if Rome is still sitting there at 14, I’ll just say I’m glad I don’t have the pressure of making that call because the conundrum builds, haha. Go Jags.

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It’s refreshing coming on here after seeing all the Facebook posts wanting to trade everything to way move up for Rome or Nabers. They will be stars, no doubt, but it’s absolutely the wrong move for this team right now. I think the casual fan just wants the offseason entertainment “high” of making a move like that but then will be clamoring for Baalke to be fired when we don’t roster the best possible TEAM this fall and the glaring holes start to show.

A top end talent at corner is a must for this team as well as seriously beefing up both lines, pun intended. I know Baalke is a touchy subject but he’s done a solid job and after listening to him yesterday, two things became clear to me.  1, we aren’t trading way up for a receiver and 2, I’m comfortable with him calling the shots right now.

Now, with all that said, if Rome is still sitting there at 14, I’ll just say I’m glad I don’t have the pressure of making that call because the conundrum builds, haha. Go Jags.

If he's there at 14 you make an offer.  Fair value per the chart would be giving up our 3rd and one of our 4ths to move up the 3 spots.  I'd strongly consider doing that.  If it involves the 2nd rounder, no.

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