You tag Lawrence and he won't play here again. He'll be traded to a team that will gladly send picks and pay him all the while laughing at the fools here who just sent their franchise back into the septic tank.

You always look at the positives. That is good in sunshine land.  Or plan b

He continues to be mediocre and not justify his contract while the team is in cap hell stuck with it.  I am not saying it will happen but it is hard to justify paying him $50 million a year right now. I do not care about the money value but do care how it effects the cap.  He has not sold me on being the franchise yet.  Clearly, he has sold you.  I think it is wise to let him prove he is worth the money.  Yes signing him now could save money but could also save a massive future headache if it does not work out.

The last half of 2022 combined with the first half of 2023 (before the injuries took their toll) sold me.  I blame the staff for not setting him down and letting him heal properly last year.  A competitor wants to compete regardless of health and sometimes management needs to step in.

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I think we need to get the deal done now. Our entire organization is tied into his success, so there is no way he is cut after the next 1-2 years. therefore, we might as well lock him up now before he gets even more expensive. stability is something we have needed for decades. this is not a Bortles signing. Trevor is a top 15 QB who is still young and ascending.

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Fix the O-Line!

This is why we are #3 in cap space.

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I say wait to pay him.

A. We have him for the next 4 years regardless.  You can extend this out with the franchise tag and such for about another 4 years
B. I for one am not 100% sold he is worth the money. I am no blind homer and see there are some big holes in his game.  He is a good QB but not Great IMO.

You tag Lawrence and he won't play here again. He'll be traded to a team that will gladly send picks and pay him all the while laughing at the fools here who just sent their franchise back into the septic tank.

This is what I don’t get by most takes that say wait to pay him. If that is someone’s assessment of Lawrence, then I would assume they think it 50/50 or worse that he will pan out as a franchise QB. If so, wouldn’t the best option for those then be to trade him so you can get maximum return right now when they think it would as likely for him to fail with more time? 

The idea or wanting the “sure 80% or more bet” is silly, and causes more problems in the long run.

I mean disagree with that assessment, but if that is your assessment why not just go the whole way with it.

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PFF thinks he's 12th. That's not very good, is it? That's around the upper end of where I would put him and I'm less positive than the vast majority on this board.

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If he doesn't get those injuries last year the jags would have been in the playoffs again and he would have recieved mvp votes. And he's just going to keep getting better. Pay the man now before the price just keeps going up.

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Yeah that sends a great message to other draft choices and free agents they might want to try and sign.

Sends a great message. You want to get paid, prove it on the field. Josh Allen did and he got paid. Lawrence has not shown he is worth the pay day to date in many eyes.

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For the people that know what to look for in a good QB, he’s sold them.

Might want to just buckle up for the big contract pal.

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It’s Josh Allen all over again.

People fixated on his lack of sacks while not looking at the big picture.

Lawrence is going to explode (like Josh Allen) and it’s going to be glorious.

You got blind faith. I am a realist. Josh Allen proved it on the field. Lawrence has not yet. As I said before, good but not great. Some have him out of the top 10

And you call yourself a ‘realist’.  LOL

So, basically, you want us to be the dumbest team in the league.  Got it.

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PFF thinks he's 12th. That's not very good, is it? That's around the upper end of where I would put him and I'm less positive than the vast majority on this board.

The story is the context…

Given his four injuries last year and a continually porous O line, I’d say that’s good. And that he’s better injured than the 20 ranked below him. And anyone who could realistically replace him in the next two years.

I really don’t understand some of you people. Franchise quarterbacks get paid. The next guy gets paid what the market sets as franchise quarterback money. It’s not complicated. If a person can’t see that he’s a franchise quarterback, they are a particularly dull fan.


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Yeah that sends a great message to other draft choices and free agents they might want to try and sign.

Sends a great message. You want to get paid, prove it on the field. Josh Allen did and he got paid. Lawrence has not shown he is worth the pay day to date in many eyes.

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For the people that know what to look for in a good QB, he’s sold them.

Might want to just buckle up for the big contract pal.

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It’s Josh Allen all over again.

People fixated on his lack of sacks while not looking at the big picture.

Lawrence is going to explode (like Josh Allen) and it’s going to be glorious.

You got blind faith. I am a realist. Josh Allen proved it on the field. Lawrence has not yet. As I said before, good but not great. Some have him out of the top 10

It’s not blind faith.

I’ve seen Trevor lead this team to a playoff win, push the champs for 4 quarters, and an 8-3 start in 2023 which was derailed by injuries.

This is THE WORST franchise in sports in terms of win% and they’ve been in contention the last 2 seasons…… that’s because of Lawrence.

Can Trevor get better? Of course he can and he will. But he’s going to get paid (just like Josh Allen) and I would rather save a boat load of money signing someone now that you KNOW you’re going to resign anyway.

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I think people are digging their feet into the sand on a side on this and I don't think it matters that much whether we pay him this year or next. Sure, it will be more next year but so will the cap and everything else will work itself out. Though, I've seen enough to know he's worth extending and I also understand how the market works, so paying him now will save a few million per year over the course of the deal and if you've seen enough as I have that's smart business, but if they paid him next year that's cool too. The extra $3-5 million saved per year isn't going to be the reason we win or lose on game day.

Here's the thing for those opposed to paying him now though. They can and probably will structure the deal to where the guarantees are all gone by the end of year 3 and the guarantees are all that matters on a bad contract (and they will probably re-do his deal again in that span). So, even if you're correct that he winds up not being worth it over the next few years, they'll likely be able to part ways if they desire during or after year 3. Even a mistake of a contract in that scenario isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme because nothing about Lawrence suggests that his floor is bottom half of the league or worse. Goff got what, $73M guaranteed? That's for all the intents and purposes a 2 year "continue to prove it" deal. I think people are getting caught up in the total number, but the total number is the going salary for competent QB play and it's only going to get higher. It will be closer to $60M per year next year.

TLDR; unbunch your panties, it doesn't matter.

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I think people are digging their feet into the sand on a side on this and I don't think it matters that much whether we pay him this year or next.  Sure, it will be more next year but so will the cap and everything else will work itself out.  Though, I've seen enough to know he's worth extending and I also understand how the market works, so paying him now will save a few million per year over the course of the deal and if you've seen enough as I have that's smart business, but if they paid him next year that's cool too.  The extra $3-5 million saved per year isn't going to be the reason we win or lose on game day.

Here's the thing for those opposed to paying him now though.  They can and probably will structure the deal to where the guarantees are all gone by the end of year 3 and the guarantees are all that matters on a bad contract (and they will probably re-do his deal again in that span).  So, even if you're correct that he winds up not being worth it over the next few years, they'll likely be able to part ways if they desire during or after year 3.  Even a mistake of a contract in that scenario isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme because nothing about Lawrence suggests that his floor is bottom half of the league or worse.  Goff got what, $73M guaranteed?  That's for all the intents and purposes a 2 year "continue to prove it" deal.  I think people are getting caught up in the total number, but the total number is the going salary for competent QB play and it's only going to get higher.  It will be closer to $60M per year next year. 

TLDR;  unbunch your panties, it doesn't matter.

Can I agree with you and still keep my panties bunched? I kinda like it.

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Do people really think it's possible that Trevor Lawrence will fail so badly that we will want to dump him in favor of a new QB in 3 years? 

I don't think that's remotely possible.  And besides, what are the odds that we would be able to draft a QB better than him?  Would he fail so badly we get the #1 overall pick? 

Seriously?

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I think people are digging their feet into the sand on a side on this and I don't think it matters that much whether we pay him this year or next.  Sure, it will be more next year but so will the cap and everything else will work itself out.  Though, I've seen enough to know he's worth extending and I also understand how the market works, so paying him now will save a few million per year over the course of the deal and if you've seen enough as I have that's smart business, but if they paid him next year that's cool too.  The extra $3-5 million saved per year isn't going to be the reason we win or lose on game day.

Here's the thing for those opposed to paying him now though.  They can and probably will structure the deal to where the guarantees are all gone by the end of year 3 and the guarantees are all that matters on a bad contract (and they will probably re-do his deal again in that span).  So, even if you're correct that he winds up not being worth it over the next few years, they'll likely be able to part ways if they desire during or after year 3.  Even a mistake of a contract in that scenario isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme because nothing about Lawrence suggests that his floor is bottom half of the league or worse.  Goff got what, $73M guaranteed?  That's for all the intents and purposes a 2 year "continue to prove it" deal.  I think people are getting caught up in the total number, but the total number is the going salary for competent QB play and it's only going to get higher.  It will be closer to $60M per year next year. 

TLDR;  unbunch your panties, it doesn't matter.

I think that fact that we have an unexpectedly large increase in the cap this year gives them additional incentive to do it now and load up that extra space with his guarantees. We have the 3rd most cap space this year when 6 months ago people were fretting that multiple valuable vets were gonna get the axe just to make the cap. They've set it up perfectly to sign him to a long term front loaded deal that makes it easy to make a decision on him in 2029 after we've got a couple Lombardis in the vault.

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I think people are digging their feet into the sand on a side on this and I don't think it matters that much whether we pay him this year or next.  Sure, it will be more next year but so will the cap and everything else will work itself out.  Though, I've seen enough to know he's worth extending and I also understand how the market works, so paying him now will save a few million per year over the course of the deal and if you've seen enough as I have that's smart business, but if they paid him next year that's cool too.  The extra $3-5 million saved per year isn't going to be the reason we win or lose on game day.

Here's the thing for those opposed to paying him now though.  They can and probably will structure the deal to where the guarantees are all gone by the end of year 3 and the guarantees are all that matters on a bad contract (and they will probably re-do his deal again in that span).  So, even if you're correct that he winds up not being worth it over the next few years, they'll likely be able to part ways if they desire during or after year 3.  Even a mistake of a contract in that scenario isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme because nothing about Lawrence suggests that his floor is bottom half of the league or worse.  Goff got what, $73M guaranteed?  That's for all the intents and purposes a 2 year "continue to prove it" deal.  I think people are getting caught up in the total number, but the total number is the going salary for competent QB play and it's only going to get higher.  It will be closer to $60M per year next year. 

TLDR;  unbunch your panties, it doesn't matter.

I'm seeing $170.6M guaranteed for Goff here.  There is no doubt that there is risk in signing a huge contract to a player that doesn't quite get you there, in Tlaw's case the Jags are increasing the guaranteed money from 36M to 170M.  If they structure it as you mentioned (guaranteed money in the first three years) that's 56.6M guaranteed per year. That's a huge commitment if the team decides TLaw isn't the franchise QB.  But if the team is convinced that Trevor is the guy, then signing him now reduces his salary over the next ~6ish years (4 year extension.)

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Please, and thank you.

It's pretty crazy that we still have 'fans' that think Trevor is any part of 'the problem' at this point.

Khan has flushed Trev's first four years by refusing to clean out the rot of past regimes.

Fire Baalke and hire a competent GM and find long term success with Trevor. Keep Baalke and welcome on years of wasted potential and the texans winning the division.

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You always look at the positives. That is good in sunshine land.  Or plan b

He continues to be mediocre and not justify his contract while the team is in cap hell stuck with it.  I am not saying it will happen but it is hard to justify paying him $50 million a year right now. I do not care about the money value but do care how it effects the cap.  He has not sold me on being the franchise yet.  Clearly, he has sold you.  I think it is wise to let him prove he is worth the money.  Yes signing him now could save money but could also save a massive future headache if it does not work out.

Lol, yeah, it will be just awful for this team to be "stuck" playing for the division and getting playoff home games for the next decade. Just terrible. He's 24, played through literal hell in the last couple seasons and still has the team in position to win long term. People are fixated on the last six games instead of the tremendous improvement made in 2 seasons. Whatever it takes to hold on to this guy needs to be done, it's really hard to get one and I don't feel like waiting another decade for the next one to come around.

The debate lies on whether you see the flaws in his game as his own (traits like inaccuracy, crumbling under spotlight, or foolish throws) or if you see the flaws as circumstance (playcalls, blocking, drops/routes).

I think the majority here see his potential individually. He has the traits to be a franchise guy, even if he hasn't cemented his spot in the top-X QBs around the league. The question is truly whether he'll improve as circumstances improve. If we wait until he proves it, the cap number will skyrocket even more.

The GM is on the hook for the pick, as well as the work he's done to maximize Trevor's potential. At this stage, whether he negotiates the new deal today or a year from today, TB will stay or go based on whether the work he's done to make this team what it is proves successful or not. It's in his (and the team's) best interest to do the deal sooner than later.

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Yeah that sends a great message to other draft choices and free agents they might want to try and sign.

Sends a great message. You want to get paid, prove it on the field. Josh Allen did and he got paid. Lawrence has not shown he is worth the pay day to date in many eyes.

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For the people that know what to look for in a good QB, he’s sold them.

Might want to just buckle up for the big contract pal.

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It’s Josh Allen all over again.

People fixated on his lack of sacks while not looking at the big picture.

Lawrence is going to explode (like Josh Allen) and it’s going to be glorious.

You got blind faith. I am a realist. Josh Allen proved it on the field. Lawrence has not yet. As I said before, good but not great. Some have him out of the top 10

Thing is, we had already committed resources (darfting Walker, especially) with the goal of improving Allen's performance. If the FO believed in both Allen's potential and Walker's ability to develop and draw attention away from the other side, we likely could have gotten Allen on a lesser deal a year ago. Would he have signed it? dunno. Same risk with TLaw. We can surmise that getting BTJ, making some improvements to the line, another year in the same scheme with (mostly) the same key targets is going to help him put up big numbers. If we offer adequate numbers today, what's to say he doesn't bet on himself and wait for that extraordinary season?

If you are saying that after four seasons we still weren't sure what we had in Josh Allen, then we have a lot bigger problems in our team management than wiggling around the salary cap.

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Lol, yeah, it will be just awful for this team to be "stuck" playing for the division and getting playoff home games for the next decade. Just terrible. He's 24, played through literal hell in the last couple seasons and still has the team in position to win long term. People are fixated on the last six games instead of the tremendous improvement made in 2 seasons. Whatever it takes to hold on to this guy needs to be done, it's really hard to get one and I don't feel like waiting another decade for the next one to come around.

The debate lies on whether you see the flaws in his game as his own (traits like inaccuracy, crumbling under spotlight, or foolish throws) or if you see the flaws as circumstance (playcalls, blocking, drops/routes).

I think the majority here see his potential individually. He has the traits to be a franchise guy, even if he hasn't cemented his spot in the top-X QBs around the league. The question is truly whether he'll improve as circumstances improve. If we wait until he proves it, the cap number will skyrocket even more.

The GM is on the hook for the pick, as well as the work he's done to maximize Trevor's potential. At this stage, whether he negotiates the new deal today or a year from today, TB will stay or go based on whether the work he's done to make this team what it is proves successful or not. It's in his (and the team's) best interest to do the deal sooner than later.

Crumbling under spotlight?  Where the hell did you come up with that idea?

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