Blah, blah, blah. You live for ad hominem. Your problem (and Mikeys and Martys and everyone else that moonlights as political pundits) is that you're too busy gobbling up whatever is put in front to taste any of that [BLEEP]. Then you happily yak it up on anyone else that doesn't want to eat it.

I don't care what she says. There is a long enough track record by democrats for even the most partisan liberal to question what she means when she talks about re-education. Only a simpleton stops at her mention of civics without putting in in context. We know why kids don't know about civics. Democrats removed it from the classrooms and destroyed our education system. Just like we know the left doesn't care about states' rights, and hasn't since the 70's. You really believe America just needs a lesson on the sovereignty of state courts? That's what you think she believes? That's the load of [BLEEP] you expect me to eat? Get the [BLEEP] out of here. You couldn't make it one post in the DeSantis threat without mentioning he stacked the courts.

Way to miss all the points.

Her comment was stupidly worded - but she's right that the MAGA movement lacks understanding of the processes we live by in America.  The problem she's missing is that you can't educate the willfully ignorant. If they just adopt lies versus the letter of the law, you can't "re-educate" them. 

The DeSantis thing is funny. 
I didn't say he stacked the court. It's been stacked by Republican gov's term after term. But of course you didn't read carefully enough to see how I phrased it.

Look, dude, you're a peon, like me. The problem is you don't think you're a peon. If you read the literature, it says what they are about. You don't read the literature. You read comments that get sensationalized by the media, then downplay them.

This stuff doesn't fall out the sky, even though every Tom, Dick, and Harry who calls themselves a moderate or centrist or x-leaning thinks this [BLEEP] is all organic. It's not. This stuff is way more organized and purposeful than I think you even comprehend. Sure, her comments were organic. I'm confident she misspoke, because she's probably not supposed to say [BLEEP] that's too on the nose. That kind of stuff is generally frowned on in politics. Sure, that article is hamming it up for the right-wing crowd. It doesn't make her comments any less disingenuous and concerning. 

It's a pretty freaking common talking point among the elites of the democratic party. You know why? It's part of the philosophic ideology of the new left. You refuse to acknowledge the new paradigm that exists in American politics, which is why you're constantly misinformed. 

Hillary Clinton (Democrat) - Suggested "formal deprogramming" for Trump supporters, referring to them as "cult members" (October 2023) 

Richard Beller (Former PBS lawyer, Democrat) - Spoke about the need for "re-education camps" for children of Trump supporters, suggesting they need to be molded into accepting progressive ideologies (2020) 

Katie Porter (Democrat) - Mentioned the necessity of educating constituents to counteract misinformation and change their understanding of key political issues (2022).

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (Democrat) - Advocated for comprehensive educational reforms to combat "systemic racism" and "white supremacy," suggesting a need to change entrenched societal beliefs (2020).

Elizabeth Warren (Democrat) - Called for reforms to "re-educate" Wall Street executives on ethical business practices and corporate responsibility (2021).

Bernie Sanders (Democrat) - Promoted educational programs aimed at re-educating the public on the benefits of socialism and social justice (2020).

Kamala Harris (Democrat) - Highlighted the need for public "re-education" on climate change to foster better environmental policies (2021).

Nancy Pelosi (Democrat) - Advocated for legislative measures to "educate" the public on the importance of COVID-19 vaccination, suggesting a need to change resistant attitudes (2021).

Gavin Newsom (Democrat) - Emphasized the importance of "re-educating" communities about public health measures during the pandemic (2020).

Ilhan Omar (Democrat) - Pushed for educational initiatives to "reprogram" public understanding of America's role in global conflicts, promoting a more critical view (2021).

Pete Buttigieg (Democrat) - Supported initiatives to "re-educate" communities on the benefits of infrastructure investments and green energy projects (2021).

Ron DeSantis (Republican) - Pushed for educational policies to "reorient" students towards patriotic values, effectively countering progressive curricula (2022).

Notice a trend? That's a search over the last 3 years for politicians who talk about re-educating the public. Just a bunch of people who have misspoken... Only one was a Republican, and let's be real, his comments are tied to reclaiming education from leftists who are *gasp* trying to educate the public in the way they think is best, which is anti-American. But, either way, I don't care to argue whether he is noble or not. 

The bottom line is it's a common mode of thought among democratic elites to train the monkeys to think like they want them to think, and if you dissent, you need to be shown the error of your ways. It's frankly idiotic to try to rationalize what's right there for you to see. Not only is common among our politicians, but it's also happening in a different way in major corporate workspaces. No matter how much I show you these things are connected, you don't even want to consider that you are being manipulated. So, whatever... continue in your arrogance. She misspoke. The elites definitely don't think they have the power to make us think the way they want us to. 

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Oh, and just for fun, it never ceases to amaze me how you and your ilk love to take the slightest of changes to wording and use it as proof of reading comprehension. You got me. I didn't read your idiotic post close enough, and I am WAY off by saying it was stacked by DeSantis and not all of the Republican governors. That TOTALLY changed the context. You got me. If only I had been talking about re-education, then you could have assumed I was just misspeaking.

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Way to miss all the points.

Her comment was stupidly worded - but she's right that the MAGA movement lacks understanding of the processes we live by in America.  The problem she's missing is that you can't educate the willfully ignorant. If they just adopt lies versus the letter of the law, you can't "re-educate" them. 

The DeSantis thing is funny. 
I didn't say he stacked the court. It's been stacked by Republican gov's term after term. But of course you didn't read carefully enough to see how I phrased it.

Look, dude, you're a peon, like me. The problem is you don't think you're a peon. If you read the literature, it says what they are about. You don't read the literature. You read comments that get sensationalized by the media, then downplay them. This stuff doesn't fall out the sky, even though every Tom, Dick, and Harry who calls themselves a moderate or centrist or x-leaning thinks this [BLEEP] is all organic. It's not. This stuff is way more organized and purposeful than I think you even comprehend. Sure, her comments were organic. I'm confident she misspoke, because she's probably not supposed to say [BLEEP] that's too on the nose. That kind of stuff is generally frowned on in politics. Sure, that article is hamming it up for the right-wing crowd. It doesn't make her comments any less disingenuous and concerning. 

It's a pretty freaking common talking point among the elites of the democratic party. You know why? It's part of the philosophic ideology of the new left. You refuse to acknowledge the new paradigm that exists in American politics, which is why you're constantly misinformed. 

Hillary Clinton (Democrat) - Suggested "formal deprogramming" for Trump supporters, referring to them as "cult members" (October 2023) 

Richard Beller (Former PBS lawyer, Democrat) - Spoke about the need for "re-education camps" for children of Trump supporters, suggesting they need to be molded into accepting progressive ideologies (2020) 

Katie Porter (Democrat) - Mentioned the necessity of educating constituents to counteract misinformation and change their understanding of key political issues (2022).

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (Democrat) - Advocated for comprehensive educational reforms to combat "systemic racism" and "white supremacy," suggesting a need to change entrenched societal beliefs (2020).

Elizabeth Warren (Democrat) - Called for reforms to "re-educate" Wall Street executives on ethical business practices and corporate responsibility (2021).

Bernie Sanders (Democrat) - Promoted educational programs aimed at re-educating the public on the benefits of socialism and social justice (2020).

Kamala Harris (Democrat) - Highlighted the need for public "re-education" on climate change to foster better environmental policies (2021).

Nancy Pelosi (Democrat) - Advocated for legislative measures to "educate" the public on the importance of COVID-19 vaccination, suggesting a need to change resistant attitudes (2021).

Gavin Newsom (Democrat) - Emphasized the importance of "re-educating" communities about public health measures during the pandemic (2020).

Ilhan Omar (Democrat) - Pushed for educational initiatives to "reprogram" public understanding of America's role in global conflicts, promoting a more critical view (2021).

Pete Buttigieg (Democrat) - Supported initiatives to "re-educate" communities on the benefits of infrastructure investments and green energy projects (2021).

Ron DeSantis (Republican) - Pushed for educational policies to "reorient" students towards patriotic values, effectively countering progressive curricula (2022).

Notice a trend? That's a search over the last 3 years for politicians who talk about re-educating the public. Just a bunch of people who have misspoken... Only one was a Republican, and let's be real, his comments are tied to reclaiming education from leftists who are *gasp* trying to educate the public in the way they think is best, which is anti-American. But, either way, I don't care to argue whether he is noble or not. 

The bottom line is it's a common mode of thought among democratic elites to train the monkeys to think like they want them to think, and if you dissent, you need to be shown the error of your ways. It's frankly idiotic to try to rationalize what's right there for you to see. Not only is common among our politicians, but it's also happening in a different way in major corporate workspaces. No matter how much I show you these things are connected, you don't even want to consider that you are being manipulated. So, whatever... continue in your arrogance. She misspoke. The elites definitely don't think they have the power to make us think the way they want us to. 

The bolded blue is where I disagree with you the most, but whatever. We've long established your tendency in "looking out for" such dark agendas being forced upon us - compared to my less concerned nature. No need to dredge it all up again further. 

Regarding the repeated references you've listed (which are great examples of what I'm talking about, thank you)  despite the insistence it is a meaningful agenda in those comments,  what has any of that tongue-wagging accomplished in terms of organizing any semblance of a re-education of the masses?

Absolutely diddly-squat. 
ZERO
Nada. 

It's just rhetoric - and while it could be dangerous rhetoric in a less democratic system - we simply aren't there yet. Thankfully. 
Fingers crossed it stays that way. It should. 
As of now - It's just talk that can't find its way into any actual application.

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Oh, and just for fun, it never ceases to amaze me how you and your ilk love to take the slightest of changes to wording and use it as proof of reading comprehension. You got me. I didn't read your idiotic post close enough, and I am WAY off by saying it was stacked by DeSantis and not all of the Republican governors. That TOTALLY changed the context. You got me. If only I had been talking about re-education, then you could have assumed I was just misspeaking.

LOL

You said I said something I didn't say.
Don't blame ME that you botched it.

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Look, dude, you're a peon, like me. The problem is you don't think you're a peon. If you read the literature, it says what they are about. You don't read the literature. You read comments that get sensationalized by the media, then downplay them. This stuff doesn't fall out the sky, even though every Tom, Dick, and Harry who calls themselves a moderate or centrist or x-leaning thinks this [BLEEP] is all organic. It's not. This stuff is way more organized and purposeful than I think you even comprehend. Sure, her comments were organic. I'm confident she misspoke, because she's probably not supposed to say [BLEEP] that's too on the nose. That kind of stuff is generally frowned on in politics. Sure, that article is hamming it up for the right-wing crowd. It doesn't make her comments any less disingenuous and concerning. 

It's a pretty freaking common talking point among the elites of the democratic party. You know why? It's part of the philosophic ideology of the new left. You refuse to acknowledge the new paradigm that exists in American politics, which is why you're constantly misinformed. 

Hillary Clinton (Democrat) - Suggested "formal deprogramming" for Trump supporters, referring to them as "cult members" (October 2023) 

Richard Beller (Former PBS lawyer, Democrat) - Spoke about the need for "re-education camps" for children of Trump supporters, suggesting they need to be molded into accepting progressive ideologies (2020) 

Katie Porter (Democrat) - Mentioned the necessity of educating constituents to counteract misinformation and change their understanding of key political issues (2022).

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (Democrat) - Advocated for comprehensive educational reforms to combat "systemic racism" and "white supremacy," suggesting a need to change entrenched societal beliefs (2020).

Elizabeth Warren (Democrat) - Called for reforms to "re-educate" Wall Street executives on ethical business practices and corporate responsibility (2021).

Bernie Sanders (Democrat) - Promoted educational programs aimed at re-educating the public on the benefits of socialism and social justice (2020).

Kamala Harris (Democrat) - Highlighted the need for public "re-education" on climate change to foster better environmental policies (2021).

Nancy Pelosi (Democrat) - Advocated for legislative measures to "educate" the public on the importance of COVID-19 vaccination, suggesting a need to change resistant attitudes (2021).

Gavin Newsom (Democrat) - Emphasized the importance of "re-educating" communities about public health measures during the pandemic (2020).

Ilhan Omar (Democrat) - Pushed for educational initiatives to "reprogram" public understanding of America's role in global conflicts, promoting a more critical view (2021).

Pete Buttigieg (Democrat) - Supported initiatives to "re-educate" communities on the benefits of infrastructure investments and green energy projects (2021).

Ron DeSantis (Republican) - Pushed for educational policies to "reorient" students towards patriotic values, effectively countering progressive curricula (2022).

Notice a trend? That's a search over the last 3 years for politicians who talk about re-educating the public. Just a bunch of people who have misspoken... Only one was a Republican, and let's be real, his comments are tied to reclaiming education from leftists who are *gasp* trying to educate the public in the way they think is best, which is anti-American. But, either way, I don't care to argue whether he is noble or not. 

The bottom line is it's a common mode of thought among democratic elites to train the monkeys to think like they want them to think, and if you dissent, you need to be shown the error of your ways. It's frankly idiotic to try to rationalize what's right there for you to see. Not only is common among our politicians, but it's also happening in a different way in major corporate workspaces. No matter how much I show you these things are connected, you don't even want to consider that you are being manipulated. So, whatever... continue in your arrogance. She misspoke. The elites definitely don't think they have the power to make us think the way they want us to. 

The bolded blue is where I disagree with you the most, but whatever. We've long established your tendency in "looking out for" such dark agendas being forced upon us - compared to my less concerned nature. No need to dredge it all up again further. 

Regarding the repeated references you've listed (which are great examples of what I'm talking about, thank you)  despite the insistence it is a meaningful agenda in those comments,  what has any of that tongue-wagging accomplished in terms of organizing any semblance of a re-education of the masses?

Absolutely diddly-squat. 
ZERO
Nada. 

It's just rhetoric - and while it could be dangerous rhetoric in a less democratic system - we simply aren't there yet. Thankfully. 
Fingers crossed it stays that way. It should. 
As of now - It's just talk that can't find its way into any actual application.

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Oh, and just for fun, it never ceases to amaze me how you and your ilk love to take the slightest of changes to wording and use it as proof of reading comprehension. You got me. I didn't read your idiotic post close enough, and I am WAY off by saying it was stacked by DeSantis and not all of the Republican governors. That TOTALLY changed the context. You got me. If only I had been talking about re-education, then you could have assumed I was just misspeaking.

LOL

You said I said something I didn't say.
Don't blame ME that you botched it.

Why do you assume it's going to stay rhetoric? This is a natural result of establishment control. It always has been. This wasn't and hasn't been part of the public discourse for a long time in America. The closest in my lifetime was when the religious right had control of the public narrative in the 80's, with talks of homosexual reform. There was natural public pushback against it. There is not the same level of indignance from the broader American public over these types of comments. They are unacceptable. And, yes, alone, it's not a big deal. I'd even say she was correct in this instance. However, there is context. Have you read any of these books?

"Pedagogy of the Oppressed" by Paulo Freire
Summary: Freire argues for a model of education that empowers students to critically examine their social conditions and work towards social change. He critiques traditional education models as oppressive and advocates for a dialogical approach where students and teachers learn from each other. Freire's work is foundational in progressive education, emphasizing the need for education to transform society and liberate individuals from oppressive systems. You will often find his works quoted at the highest levels of our education system. You should really read this if you don't read anything else.

"Revolutionary Suicide" by Huey P. Newton
Summary: Newton, co-founder of the Black Panther Party, discusses the need for revolutionary education to awaken the consciousness of oppressed people. He emphasizes the importance of political education to equip individuals with the knowledge and skills to challenge and change oppressive structures.
His work highlights the role of education in revolutionary movements and social change, focusing on consciousness-raising and empowerment.

"The Conquest of Bread" by Peter Kropotkin
Summary: Kropotkin advocates for a society based on mutual aid and cooperation rather than competition. He discusses the need for a radical rethinking of social structures, including education, to achieve a more equitable society.
Kropotkin’s ideas on education are about creating conditions for a cooperative society, which aligns with progressive goals of equity and social justice.

Those are just a few influential works among American progressives. I could list more. I know you want to believe everything exists in a bubble, but it's just not the case. You're just ignorant of how influential these ideas have become, especially in those circles. While I agree with you that politicians are not powerful, when ideas become memes, they become dangerous without pushback.

American ambivalence, particularly among the moderates, is allowing all manners of disasters into our political class. The establishment embraces it because it gives them more power. American ambivalence is ceding its power to the elites, and they are co-opting virtually every form of societal manipulations that sprung out of the left to destroy American identity, liberty, and opportunity. They are creating a new working class that is global and dependent on them for any level of comforts. You see this as some giant conspiracy, but you just need to look at the trends. You're way too focused on the individual data points.

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My wife is binge watching a docu-series on Max about a lady who started a cult, then the cult let her die without any medical attention.
It's sad, but the interesting part is, unlike most cult leaders, she only recruited about a dozen people to live with her, and she didn't want to micromanage anyone's life. What she wanted was to be adored and make a lot of money. They were selling oodles and oodles of "herbal" and "natural" health products with elaborate conspiracy theories about big pharma and big politics and big media not wanting you to know these secrets.
And they would comment on politics. A lot. Guess which candidate they supported in 2016 and 2020?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

As to the other, I called you out for being literal when it's convenient. It's an indictment on you that you want to split hairs of Ron DeSantis or multiple Republican governors.

I could play the same game as you by asking you to show me where I BLAMED you for anything, but I don't, because I'm smart enough to know what you're implying. It would be juvenile and evidence of my petulance if I asked you to SHOW me where I BLAMED you. I don't care to mince words to that degree, but you do you, pal.

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My wife is binge watching a docu-series on Max about a lady who started a cult, then the cult let her die without any medical attention. 
It's sad, but the interesting part is, unlike most cult leaders, she only recruited about a dozen people to live with her, and she didn't want to micromanage anyone's life.  What she wanted was to be adored and make a lot of money.  They were selling oodles and oodles of "herbal" and "natural" health products with elaborate conspiracy theories about big pharma and big politics and big media not wanting you to know these secrets.
And they would comment on politics.  A lot.  Guess which candidate they supported in 2016 and 2020?

Neato.

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As to the other, I called you out for being literal when it's convenient. It's an indictment on you that you want to split hairs of Ron DeSantis or multiple Republican governors.

I could play the same game as you by asking you to show me where I BLAMED you for anything, but I don't, because I'm smart enough to know what you're implying. It would be juvenile and evidence of my petulance if I asked you to SHOW me where I BLAMED you. I don't care to mince words to that degree, but you do you, pal.

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My wife is binge watching a docu-series on Max about a lady who started a cult, then the cult let her die without any medical attention. 
It's sad, but the interesting part is, unlike most cult leaders, she only recruited about a dozen people to live with her, and she didn't want to micromanage anyone's life.  What she wanted was to be adored and make a lot of money.  They were selling oodles and oodles of "herbal" and "natural" health products with elaborate conspiracy theories about big pharma and big politics and big media not wanting you to know these secrets.
And they would comment on politics.  A lot.  Guess which candidate they supported in 2016 and 2020?

Neato.

See the boring [BLEEP] his own wife watches? Just to get outta talking to him lololol

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How is this any different from when you Trumpists suggest that all the liberals should be killed or deported or something? You Trumpists do that all the time. And then you accuse NYC of hypocrisy.

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How is this any different from when you Trumpists suggest that all the liberals should be killed or deported or something?  You Trumpists do that all the time.  And then you accuse NYC of hypocrisy.

I don't think anyone wished death on a liberal.. At least from what I've read. The only time I've seen anything relatively close to that was when your brother wished Mother Nature would hurry up and run its course on Trump.. I could be wrong though, I only actually read maybe 25-50% of the nonsense you guys post.

Deported? Different story.. I'd still believe I'd rather the illegals stay and send the libs to Mexico. I really believe that would make our country better. You take the people who hate our country and replace them with the people who actually want to be here. Seems like a win-win to me, everyone gets what they want. The libs get to leave a country they hate and the illegals get jobs. Everyone's happy!!

I think the closest thing I've said on here was something like, "If the dems want to make vaccines mandatory, they can be our guinea pigs first.. Seems fair to me. They want to make it mandatory? You take it first. "Trust The Science!!"

Seems to me like you're just having a drama..

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How is this any different from when you Trumpists suggest that all the liberals should be killed or deported or something?  You Trumpists do that all the time.  And then you accuse NYC of hypocrisy.

We're all hypocrites. It's just to what extent and to what extreme. I cannot recall anyone wishing death upon liberals on here though. For the record, not all liberals are bad. Just like not all conservatives are good. Much like religion. There's specific outliers and sects in each group that gives the majority a bad name in my opinion. 

I have come across level headed liberals just like I have come across some pretty racist, sexist and extreme conservatives. I have come across extreme liberals who are open about seeing the demise of their own country and I have come across God fearing, Country loving, "Why can't we just all get along" type conservatives as well. 

We need to mend our fences, bad. We really do need to work together as a republic. It's sad we just can't seem to shake the cobwebs off to be good enough to make it work as a collective. I feel like there's a central party aching for a firebrand voice wise to get us over the hump for good. We really, really need to get away from left and right "group" thinking tendencies. 

It has not worked here. It's just been cyclical.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

How is this any different from when you Trumpists suggest that all the liberals should be killed or deported or something?  You Trumpists do that all the time.  And then you accuse NYC of hypocrisy.

Why do you hold yourself to the lowest common denominator?

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How is this any different from when you Trumpists suggest that all the liberals should be killed or deported or something?  You Trumpists do that all the time.  And then you accuse NYC of hypocrisy.

We're all hypocrites. It's just to what extent and to what extreme. I cannot recall anyone wishing death upon liberals on here though. For the record, not all liberals are bad. Just like not all conservatives are good. Much like religion. There's specific outliers and sects in each group that gives the majority a bad name in my opinion. 

I have come across level headed liberals just like I have come across some pretty racist, sexist and extreme conservatives. I have come across extreme liberals who are open about seeing the demise of their own country and I have come across God fearing, Country loving, "Why can't we just all get along" type conservatives as well. 

We need to mend our fences, bad. We really do need to work together as a republic. It's sad we just can't seem to shake the cobwebs off to be good enough to make it work as a collective. I feel like there's a central party aching for a firebrand voice wise to get us over the hump for good. We really, really need to get away from left and right "group" thinking tendencies. 

It has not worked here. It's just been cyclical.

Sure do.

And do you think this message board is helping that? With the amount of hate an opposing view gets on here? 

And for the record, there have been multiple posts from multiple people wishing death to the left or liberals or anyone who voted Biden. However, those people haven't posted in a while.

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We're all hypocrites. It's just to what extent and to what extreme. I cannot recall anyone wishing death upon liberals on here though. For the record, not all liberals are bad. Just like not all conservatives are good. Much like religion. There's specific outliers and sects in each group that gives the majority a bad name in my opinion. 

I have come across level headed liberals just like I have come across some pretty racist, sexist and extreme conservatives. I have come across extreme liberals who are open about seeing the demise of their own country and I have come across God fearing, Country loving, "Why can't we just all get along" type conservatives as well. 

We need to mend our fences, bad. We really do need to work together as a republic. It's sad we just can't seem to shake the cobwebs off to be good enough to make it work as a collective. I feel like there's a central party aching for a firebrand voice wise to get us over the hump for good. We really, really need to get away from left and right "group" thinking tendencies. 

It has not worked here. It's just been cyclical.

Sure do.

And do you think this message board is helping that? With the amount of hate an opposing view gets on here? 

And for the record, there have been multiple posts from multiple people wishing death to the left or liberals or anyone who voted Biden. However, those people haven't posted in a while.

So that's like us Trumpsters are being ridiculed for something that others that no longer post here have done.. Yay for democrat justice!!

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Sure do.

And do you think this message board is helping that? With the amount of hate an opposing view gets on here? 

And for the record, there have been multiple posts from multiple people wishing death to the left or liberals or anyone who voted Biden. However, those people haven't posted in a while.

So that's like us Trumpsters are being ridiculed for something that others that no longer post here have done.. Yay for democrat justice!!

Well you said you don’t remember people saying that…. When they in fact did. 

No one said you said it but just that it was said.

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So that's like us Trumpsters are being ridiculed for something that others that no longer post here have done.. Yay for democrat justice!!

Well you said you don’t remember people saying that…. When they in fact did. 

No one said you said it but just that it was said.

I blame Marty for this Pearl Clutch Session..

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How is this any different from when you Trumpists suggest that all the liberals should be killed or deported or something?  You Trumpists do that all the time.  And then you accuse NYC of hypocrisy.

From now on, your new Jaguars Forum name is..

Pearl Clutch Marty

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