Just waiting for the extension announcement at this point. I think it gets done before this regular season.

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Just waiting for the extension announcement at this point. I think it gets done before this regular season.

Probably playing chicken with the Tua negotiations.  Whoever signs first gets less. Albeit slightly.

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This thread from a year ago. I looked at it to compare today's thoughts/predictions on Lawrence to the same a year ago.  Nothing all that noteworthy, but I think the similarity is pretty interesting.  Hopefully by this time next year the top 5 QB predictors from last year, will be correct in 2025 with the contract Lawrence is bound to get.

You’re hoping top 5 Lawrence predictions are correct? Or being facetious?

I hope the Jags and another team in the division (most likely Houston at present) turn into a Steelers/Ravens type rivalry where both are good for a very long time and the match up is must see tv nationally.  I realize that doesn’t just happen and that markets like Jacksonville would be a difficult sell nationally, but if the product on the field is good enough for a long enough period of time it will happen.

Overall, I'm just hoping that the jury comes in on Lawrence's performance by next year.  The statistical regression for Lawrence in 2023 just keeps up the weird "he's elite...but <excuse> happened" line of thought. So I'm hoping that Lawrence has a reasonable OL, WR, run game, and health through the 2024-25 season so that his (yearly) statistical stats match up with his performance. This will be Lawrence's 4th year, and I hope the training wheels will come off.  I'm absolutely fine if Trevor comes up into the top 5 or 10 QB rankings, but I want to see the yearly stats to back that up.  2-1 TD to INT ratio and rating in the upper 90s.

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

You’re hoping top 5 Lawrence predictions are correct? Or being facetious?

I hope the Jags and another team in the division (most likely Houston at present) turn into a Steelers/Ravens type rivalry where both are good for a very long time and the match up is must see tv nationally.  I realize that doesn’t just happen and that markets like Jacksonville would be a difficult sell nationally, but if the product on the field is good enough for a long enough period of time it will happen.

Overall, I'm just hoping that the jury comes in on Lawrence's performance by next year.  The statistical regression for Lawrence in 2023 just keeps up the weird "he's elite...but <excuse> happened" line of thought. So I'm hoping that Lawrence has a reasonable OL, WR, run game, and health through the 2024-25 season so that his (yearly) statistical stats match up with his performance. This will be Lawrence's 4th year, and I hope the training wheels will come off.  I'm absolutely fine if Trevor comes up into the top 5 or 10 QB rankings, but I want to see the yearly stats to back that up.  2-1 TD to INT ratio and rating in the upper 90s.

LOL

Gimme a break

How many people in this thread have said "elite, but..." 

2?  

You know very few are calling him that but rather predicting he could get there - which makes him worthy of big money to many. 
You should hear how many Jags fans are calling the local radio shows saying "don't pay him - he hasn't proven it yet." 
There are NOT tons of Jags fans calling him elite.


He's an ascending QB with great potential that suffered bad line play and multiple injuries.
Which makes all of your references to stats pretty meaningless. 


Hopefully this season those "excuses" don't become a factor in the equation again. 
  And seriously, you can [BLEEP] right off with that "training wheels" garbage.

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Overall, I'm just hoping that the jury comes in on Lawrence's performance by next year.  The statistical regression for Lawrence in 2023 just keeps up the weird "he's elite...but <excuse> happened" line of thought. So I'm hoping that Lawrence has a reasonable OL, WR, run game, and health through the 2024-25 season so that his (yearly) statistical stats match up with his performance. This will be Lawrence's 4th year, and I hope the training wheels will come off.  I'm absolutely fine if Trevor comes up into the top 5 or 10 QB rankings, but I want to see the yearly stats to back that up.  2-1 TD to INT ratio and rating in the upper 90s.

LOL

Gimme a break

How many people in this thread have said "elite, but..." 

2?  

You know very few are calling him that but rather predicting he could get there - which makes him worthy of big money to many. 
You should hear how many Jags fans are calling the local radio shows saying "don't pay him - he hasn't proven it yet." 
There are NOT tons of Jags fans calling him elite.


He's an ascending QB with great potential that suffered bad line play and multiple injuries.
Which makes all of your references to stats pretty meaningless. 


Hopefully this season those "excuses" don't become a factor in the equation again. 
  And seriously, you can [BLEEP] right off with that "training wheels" garbage.

Agreed. He has elite qualities. Has flashed it enough. Just needs a chance to become more consistent. He's probably getting $50M per year if a deal gets done in the next few months. 

The locals here call in all the time and trash the [BLEEP] out of Lawrence more often than not. It's extremely rare that kid gets high, high praise but he certainly gets called anything BUT elite by the majority of the locals. 

The training wheels have been off though. I think once you get to the point to where your Quarterback is throwing it for 550+ pass attempts per season the wheels have been off. It's not like he's Brock Purdy with a loaded WR core, top tier RB and top tier TE. 

Purdy had a whopping 444 pass attempts last year. Fart in the wind compared to the 564 attempts Lawrence was tasked with producing, and that's with both of them missing a game during the regular season.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Overall, I'm just hoping that the jury comes in on Lawrence's performance by next year.  The statistical regression for Lawrence in 2023 just keeps up the weird "he's elite...but <excuse> happened" line of thought. So I'm hoping that Lawrence has a reasonable OL, WR, run game, and health through the 2024-25 season so that his (yearly) statistical stats match up with his performance. This will be Lawrence's 4th year, and I hope the training wheels will come off.  I'm absolutely fine if Trevor comes up into the top 5 or 10 QB rankings, but I want to see the yearly stats to back that up.  2-1 TD to INT ratio and rating in the upper 90s.

LOL

Gimme a break

How many people in this thread have said "elite, but..." 

2?  

You know very few are calling him that but rather predicting he could get there - which makes him worthy of big money to many. 
You should hear how many Jags fans are calling the local radio shows saying "don't pay him - he hasn't proven it yet." 
There are NOT tons of Jags fans calling him elite.


He's an ascending QB with great potential that suffered bad line play and multiple injuries.
Which makes all of your references to stats pretty meaningless. 


Hopefully this season those "excuses" don't become a factor in the equation again. 
  And seriously, you can [BLEEP] right off with that "training wheels" garbage.

Err, okay.  I'm struggling to see where we disagree here.  See I read the ^bolded as he's "elite, but...he had bad line play and was injured."  I suppose your counter-argument here is that "he could be elite, but...he had bad line play and was injured???"

The training wheels comment was intended to reflect his stat-line in 2023 and the justification for it.  At the end of the day, if gets paid at the top of the market and puts up another 21 TDs and 21 turnovers (Fumbles + Ints) with a 88.5 rating in 2024-2025 the Jags are going to catch hell, regardless of the OL health or if gets banged up.  As I described, I want him to have every chance to perform...just like you stated!

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

LOL

Gimme a break

How many people in this thread have said "elite, but..." 

2?  

You know very few are calling him that but rather predicting he could get there - which makes him worthy of big money to many. 
You should hear how many Jags fans are calling the local radio shows saying "don't pay him - he hasn't proven it yet." 
There are NOT tons of Jags fans calling him elite.


He's an ascending QB with great potential that suffered bad line play and multiple injuries.
Which makes all of your references to stats pretty meaningless. 


Hopefully this season those "excuses" don't become a factor in the equation again. 
  And seriously, you can [BLEEP] right off with that "training wheels" garbage.

Err, okay.  I'm struggling to see where we disagree here.  See I read the ^bolded as he's "elite, but...he had bad line play and was injured."  I suppose your counter-argument here is that "he could be elite, but...he had bad line play and was injured???"

The training wheels comment was intended to reflect his stat-line in 2023 and the justification for it.  At the end of the day, if gets paid at the top of the market and puts up another 21 TDs and 21 turnovers (Fumbles + Ints) with a 88.5 rating in 2024-2025 the Jags are going to catch hell, regardless of the OL health or if gets banged up.  As I described, I want him to have every chance to perform...just like you stated!

The "elite" term is a hot-button demarkation in all of the QB salary talk orbiting Jacksonville currently.

IS elite 
vs
COULD BE Elite 

These two phrases are worlds apart in the current context

From my vantage point you've got maybe 10% of the Jags fanbase saying:
He is elite now, but held back by XYZ.

Then a pretty solid 50% saying he's not elite, but he might get there if XYZ. Maybe half of those folks have confidence he'll make the strides. 

The other 40% have "negative" takes ranging from "don't pay him till he proves it" all the way to "I hope we tank this year so we can draft Carson Beck." 

And to be even more clear "ascending with great potential" does not mean "elite." 

The use of the term "training wheels" in the context of quarterbacking has (for decades) been meant to describe players who are being carefully managed by coaches with dumbed-down offenses, often with extreme caution applied to when they are allowed to take chances or improvise.  None of those things are happening with Lawrence.

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Trevor is the face of this franchise and city. He may not have produced as quickly as we hoped, but we had back to back winning seasons for the first time in 20 years. Trevor is going to be here for the long haul. If Goff is getting big bucks after finally producing in a stacked offense, then Trevor deserves his extension too. If nothing else, it will stabilize our franchise for another 5 years. This is key, as we are entering the era of the new stadium soon.

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Trevor is the face of this franchise and city. He may not have produced as quickly as we hoped, but we had back to back winning seasons for the first time in 20 years. Trevor is going to be here for the long haul. If Goff is getting big bucks after finally producing in a stacked offense, then Trevor deserves his extension too. If nothing else, it will stabilize our franchise for another 5 years. This is key, as we are entering the era of the new stadium soon.

He's progressing and producing good enough for me. I wasn't expecting Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck when he was drafted. I always felt he had a little bit more running game to his abilities and he's shown some of that throughout his first three years. 

For me, it's his arm talent. There's throws this kid can make that not very many can make. When we're talking about just PURE ARM TALENT, right now in the NFL? He has to be up there in the top four to five discussion. As far as just the ability to zip it in places he shouldn't be able to, the timing of his throws, etc. 

We'll see what year four and a contract extension looming has in stored for us though. I really think he goes off this season finally. I think they needed to feel and experience 2022 and 2023 the way they happened. They know what it's like to barely make the play-off's and they know what it's like to barely miss the play-off's with unfortunate circumstances surrounding them.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Bah, last year ... began last year with an offensive line in turmoil. The interior was suspect from the beginning and the one good guard they had got cheap shotted during the preseason "practice" with another team. Due to a 6 game suspension they never got in sync with each other. We could NOT run the ball worth squat so TL was left with 2nd and 12 or so most the time.

The best (and kindest) description of our o-line for 2023:
Suspensions, injuries and trades created havoc for the Jaguars' offensive line, which led to nine players logging more than 150 snaps for the unit in 2023. While they held up relatively well pressure-wise, that was largely due to Trevor Lawrence’s quick release. The underlying numbers were not as positive. No Jacksonville offensive lineman posted a PFF overall grade above 70.0 during the 2023 regular season.

If it was going to happen he was going to have to make it so. Despite one of the worst O-lines in the league and a #1 receiver that was route challenged, the guy was actually pulling it off. We were the #1 seed in the AFC. Then during the Bengals game he was stepped on by Little who was pushed 6 yards deep into the backfield. Up to that point in the game he was 22 of 29 passes for 259 yards and two touchdowns. He also ran for a score. This doesn't happen, who knows we may win that game and make the playoffs. As it was we lost in OT 34-31. That was the turning point, the Jags never recovered from that one moment. His mobility was decreased which was his defense against a poopy (technical term) o-line. This began the circle of more injuries as he pressed trying to win, taking risk he knew better than.

Pay the man. All those that say otherwise I challenge you to propose a solution that is a better option. In my world if you complain it is good if you have a solution otherwise it is just hot air.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Bah, last year ... began last year with an offensive line in turmoil. The interior was suspect from the beginning and the one good guard they had got cheap shotted during the preseason "practice" with another team.  Due to a 6 game suspension they never got in sync with each other. We could NOT run the ball worth squat so TL was left with 2nd and 12 or so most the time.

The best (and kindest) description of our o-line for 2023:
Suspensions, injuries and trades created havoc for the Jaguars' offensive line, which led to nine players logging more than 150 snaps for the unit in 2023. While they held up relatively well pressure-wise, that was largely due to Trevor Lawrence’s quick release. The underlying numbers were not as positive. No Jacksonville offensive lineman posted a PFF overall grade above 70.0 during the 2023 regular season.

If it was going to happen he was going to have to make it so. Despite one of the worst O-lines in the league and a #1 receiver that was route challenged, the guy was actually pulling it off. We were the #1 seed in the AFC.  Then during the Bengals game he was stepped on by Little who was pushed 6 yards deep into the backfield.  Up to that point in the game he was 22 of 29 passes for 259 yards and two touchdowns. He also ran for a score. This doesn't happen, who knows we may win that game and make the playoffs.  As it was we lost in OT 34-31. That was the turning point, the Jags never recovered from that one moment.  His mobility was decreased which was his defense against a poopy (technical term) o-line. This began the circle of more injuries as he pressed trying to win, taking risk he knew better than.

Pay the man. All those that say otherwise I challenge you to propose a solution that is a better option. In my world if you complain it is good if you have a solution otherwise it is just hot air.

There's really no better option. We pretty much live or die by Lawrence's progression and durability at this point in his career. At least he's brought some sense of stability to this franchise. Could be singing a completely different tune now had Khan not [BLEEP] up and hired Meyer during Lawrence's first year. Truly a mulligan.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

He has amazing arm talent that is only behind the Mahomes, Marino and Rodgers level.

What impresses me the most about the guy is his toughness. That’s what I wasn’t expecting.

Trevor is the perfect fit for Jacksonville and its perfect embassador.

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Respect the game.  Play with a sense of urgency. 


1.)  Take care of the ball.  Win the turnover battle.

2.)  It's all about 3rd down.  Win on 3rd down to win the game.

3.) Playmakers make plays.  The only reason that you put your uniform on is to make plays. In order to EARN your paycheck, you must make plays.  

Learn from the great collapse of 2023.  

He has amazing arm talent that is only behind the Mahomes, Marino and Rodgers level.

What impresses me the most about the guy is his toughness.  That’s what I wasn’t expecting. 

Trevor is the perfect fit for Jacksonville and its perfect embassador.

Yeah. That's a great point. Kid is tough as hell. He proved that last year, that's for damn sure. Hard not to like him. Says the right things. Does the right things. Leads the right way. I don't think there's any denying that he's the guy.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Trevor is the face of this franchise and city. He may not have produced as quickly as we hoped, but we had back to back winning seasons for the first time in 20 years. Trevor is going to be here for the long haul. If Goff is getting big bucks after finally producing in a stacked offense, then Trevor deserves his extension too. If nothing else, it will stabilize our franchise for another 5 years. This is key, as we are entering the era of the new stadium soon.

He's progressing and producing good enough for me. I wasn't expecting Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck when he was drafted. I always felt he had a little bit more running game to his abilities and he's shown some of that throughout his first three years. 

For me, it's his arm talent. There's throws this kid can make that not very many can make. When we're talking about just PURE ARM TALENT, right now in the NFL? He has to be up there in the top four to five discussion. As far as just the ability to zip it in places he shouldn't be able to, the timing of his throws, etc. 

We'll see what year four and a contract extension looming has in stored for us though. I really think he goes off this season finally. I think they needed to feel and experience 2022 and 2023 the way they happened. They know what it's like to barely make the play-off's and they know what it's like to barely miss the play-off's with unfortunate circumstances surrounding them.

Note to self: Reference page 208 in one year to recheck the discussion on currently-not-quite-elite Trevor Lawrence. Good luck!

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

Trevor Lawrence is Elite.

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We can win with Trevor, I can’t believe the national media NEVER brings up the playoff run. Largest playoff comeback in NFL HISTORY AND we were a Kirk drop and an Agnew fumble away from giving the Chiefs a run for their money

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We can win with Trevor, I can’t believe the national media NEVER brings up the playoff run. Largest playoff comeback in NFL HISTORY AND we were a Kirk drop and an Agnew fumble away from giving the Chiefs a run for their money

Good point. I rarely hear anything about Herbert having no playoff wins and he got the bag.

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We can win with Trevor, I can’t believe the national media NEVER brings up the playoff run. Largest playoff comeback in NFL HISTORY AND we were a Kirk drop and an Agnew fumble away from giving the Chiefs a run for their money

Good point. I rarely hear anything about Herbert having no playoff wins and he got the bag.

L.A Market > Jacksonville Market. That's all it boils down to. The NFL has to have it's L.A market over saturated. Even if it's overrated and fickle as a fanbase.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

We can win with Trevor, I can’t believe the national media NEVER brings up the playoff run. Largest playoff comeback in NFL HISTORY AND we were a Kirk drop and an Agnew fumble away from giving the Chiefs a run for their money

The Jaguars' comeback from 27 points down ranks as the third-biggest in a playoff game in NFL history. link

(Don't want you caught up in #inflategate.)

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

We can win with Trevor, I can’t believe the national media NEVER brings up the playoff run. Largest playoff comeback in NFL HISTORY AND we were a Kirk drop and an Agnew fumble away from giving the Chiefs a run for their money

Because that was 2 years ago and alot last year thought we were going to take the next step and didnt.

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