That is fine. There are outs if the Jags are ready to move on in a few years. 

This is not at all an albatross contract.

I think the contract is fine. Trevor deserved it. I just don't think Trevor is an elite QB at this point. I think Herbert is trending more in that direction.

I agree.   Trevor isn't elite yet.  He wasn't paid because he's elite right now.   He was paid because this owner, gm and coach think that he has the potential to beat anyone else playing QB in this league...including Mahomes.

Here's a list of the top QBs Trevor HAS beaten...with arguably a worse team.

Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Justin Herbert (twice)
Dak Prescott

..and he SHOULD have beaten Burrow in 21.

I don't think anyone that post on this forum thinks that Trevor is great yet.   And he may never be great.

But we know that with a poorer team than those other QBs he's been able to beat them for a day.  I'm not even going to throw in CJ because he's so young.

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The Other Jag Forum: Duval Football Fans.

Brandon Scherff is no longer that dude.   Next season I want him gone.

Interesting to note that Joe Flacco, Matt Stafford, Derek Carr, Jimmy Garoppolo, Deshaun Watson, Kyler Murray, Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow and now Trevor Lawrence were all at one time the highest paid player in the league.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/trevo...to-career/

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I think the contract is fine. Trevor deserved it. I just don't think Trevor is an elite QB at this point. I think Herbert is trending more in that direction.

I agree.   Trevor isn't elite yet.  He wasn't paid because he's elite right now.   He was paid because this owner, gm and coach think that he has the potential to beat anyone else playing QB in this league...including Mahomes.

Here's a list of the top QBs Trevor HAS beaten...with arguably a worse team.

Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Justin Herbert (twice)
Dak Prescott

..and he SHOULD have beaten Burrow in 21.

I don't think anyone that post on this forum thinks that Trevor is great yet.   And he may never be great.

But we know that with a poorer team than those other QBs he's been able to beat them for a day.  I'm not even going to throw in CJ because he's so young.

Again, I never said Lawrence sucks. Actually, I said he is a very good QB.

But I can name several QBs who have some wins against really good QBs. Is Ryan Tannehill a better QB than Trevor? Well, he has a winning record and also wins against really good QBs. You can cherry pick stuff to brag about for a lot of QBs. Doesn't put them among the best QBs in the game.

Be happy that the Jags have a very talented QB. Hopefully the best is yet to come from Trevor.

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I agree.   Trevor isn't elite yet.  He wasn't paid because he's elite right now.   He was paid because this owner, gm and coach think that he has the potential to beat anyone else playing QB in this league...including Mahomes.

Here's a list of the top QBs Trevor HAS beaten...with arguably a worse team.

Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Justin Herbert (twice)
Dak Prescott

..and he SHOULD have beaten Burrow in 21.

I don't think anyone that post on this forum thinks that Trevor is great yet.   And he may never be great.

But we know that with a poorer team than those other QBs he's been able to beat them for a day.  I'm not even going to throw in CJ because he's so young.

Again, I never said Lawrence sucks. Actually, I said he is a very good QB.

But I can name several QBs who have some wins against really good QBs. Is Ryan Tannehill a better QB than Trevor? Well, he has a winning record and also wins against really good QBs. You can cherry pick stuff to brag about for a lot of QBs. Doesn't put them among the best QBs in the game.

Be happy that the Jags have a very talented QB. Hopefully the best is yet to come from Trevor.

No worries there.  I'm sure most of us are very happy we have Trevor, and that we signed him to an extension.  

I think a lot of people around the country don't understand what's been happening with the Jags for the last few years, but those of us who watch every single game and follow the team closely do know what the situation is, the talent Trevor has, and what he needs to make the most of it.

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Again, I never said Lawrence sucks. Actually, I said he is a very good QB.

But I can name several QBs who have some wins against really good QBs. Is Ryan Tannehill a better QB than Trevor? Well, he has a winning record and also wins against really good QBs. You can cherry pick stuff to brag about for a lot of QBs. Doesn't put them among the best QBs in the game.

Be happy that the Jags have a very talented QB. Hopefully the best is yet to come from Trevor.

No worries there.  I'm sure most of us are very happy we have Trevor, and that we signed him to an extension.  

I think a lot of people around the country don't understand what's been happening with the Jags for the last few years, but those of us who watch every single game and follow the team closely do know what the situation is, the talent Trevor has, and what he needs to make the most of it.

I don't think fans around the country are oblivious to the talent Trevor has, and have seen signs of a very good QB.

I do think fans outside of Florida look at the contract(which I think Trevor deserved) and say: "Boy, the fans in Jax are going to be lining up with pitchforks if Trevor has just an ok season, and the Jags miss the playoffs again."

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I do think fans outside of Florida look at the contract(which I think Trevor deserved) and say: "Boy, the fans in Jax are going to be lining up with pitchforks if Trevor has just an ok season, and the Jags miss the playoffs again."

There were some high expectations last season. Most Jags fans realize w/out Lawrence, they aren’t even sniffing the playoffs. This is far from a complete team. There are some very vocal anti-Lawrence fans and it’s strange, but most reasonable fans see the best qb around these parts since Brunell.

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The team did what they had to do.

Once you decide he's your guy you have to pay him and waiting will only make it more expensive

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This deal will look awfully good come January of next year. After the team is 10 - 7 or 11 - 6 and his QBR is in the high 90's, TD's close to 30 and his turnover ratio is down, etc.

I have confidence in this kid. There's no reason to doubt his abilities. He showed enough between the 2nd half of 2022 and the 1st half of 2023 that he's just barely scratching the surface, and, if everybody and everything is not complete [BLEEP] around him? The team is better than .500 by a few more wins. When it's still "meh" or [BLEEP] around him?

They still had a chance in week 17 to clinch a play off spot or divisional title. If that's his floor? I'll [BLEEP] take it..

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

We have our leader on offense and on defense signed long term and are about to enter the golden age of Jaguars football.

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Respect the game.  Play with a sense of urgency. 


1.)  Take care of the ball.  Win the turnover battle.

2.)  It's all about 3rd down.  Win on 3rd down to win the game.

3.) Playmakers make plays.  The only reason that you put your uniform on is to make plays. In order to EARN your paycheck, you must make plays.  

Learn from the great collapse of 2023.  

if everybody and everything is not complete [BLEEP] around him?

Well, he has a head coach with 2 Super Bowl rings. That coach has proven he knows how to win in this league. He has won with a lot worse talent at QB. I also do see a pretty good roster around Trevor. The "franchise QB" has to take the team to that next level. It's year 4 now, and results are needed at this point.

I get what you are saying about Trevor just scratching the surface, but I don't think the picture is as bleak around him as you imply.

I do think the future is bright for the Jags, but it's time for Trevor to show he is a "franchise QB" and not just have people calling him one.

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if everybody and everything is not complete [BLEEP] around him?

Well, he has a head coach with 2 Super Bowl rings. That coach has proven he knows how to win in this league. He has won with a lot worse talent at QB. I also do see a pretty good roster around Trevor. The "franchise QB" has to take the team to that next level. It's year 4 now, and results are needed at this point.

I get what you are saying about Trevor just scratching the surface, but I don't think the picture is as bleak around him as you imply.

I do think the future is bright for the Jags, but it's time for Trevor to show he is a "franchise QB" and not just have people calling him one.

I agree, you are just enjoying the off season trolling.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

if everybody and everything is not complete [BLEEP] around him?

Well, he has a head coach with 2 Super Bowl rings. That coach has proven he knows how to win in this league. He has won with a lot worse talent at QB. I also do see a pretty good roster around Trevor. The "franchise QB" has to take the team to that next level. It's year 4 now, and results are needed at this point.

I get what you are saying about Trevor just scratching the surface, but I don't think the picture is as bleak around him as you imply.

I do think the future is bright for the Jags, but it's time for Trevor to show he is a "franchise QB" and not just have people calling him one.

Are you aware of what happened with our offensive line last year?  We had 120 running plays that went for zero or negative yardage.  That was 2nd worst in the league.  That forced us into throwing the ball on 3rd and 2.  And it also forced us into 2nd and 12 or 3rd and 12 on a regular basis.  And it meant we couldn't run the ball into the end zone even if we had first and goal on the 4 yard line.  That crippled our offense.  There's no way a QB is going to look great when that kind of stuff is happening.  

I remember the last game of the season, with the division title on the line, we had 4th and goal on the 1 yard line, and Trevor tried to reach the ball over the goal line, and he failed because our center got pancaked right into him.  Literally pancaked.  That play was so bad it was crazy.  Fortunately, we've now replaced that guy.  

I don't think fans around the country understand this.  And there's no reason they should.  But nonetheless, that was the situation.  Then throw in a series of critical injuries in the last half of the season, and we collapsed.  But if you watch Trevor play, if you know what he went through with Urban Meyer, and how he handled it, and how he handles everything around him, you can see that if we can just build a decent team around him, he'll be great.

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The team around Trevor was good save the soft lines. Once the injuries hit it was too much to overcome. We were saying that was going to be an issue as early as the first week when they couldn't keep him upright, and it only got worse as the year went on. Musical chairs on the oline killed last season. Games where they scored 27 or more and lost killed last season. Both issues seem to have been addressed.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The team around Trevor was good save the soft lines. Once the injuries hit it was too much to overcome. We were saying that was going to be an issue as early as the first week when they couldn't keep him upright, and it only got worse as the year went on. Musical chairs on the oline killed last season. Games where they scored 27 or more and lost killed last season. Both issues seem to have been addressed.

To me, losing Kirk was the killer.  I'm feeling pretty good with Kirk returning AND a new weapon in Thomas.

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The team around Trevor was good save the soft lines. Once the injuries hit it was too much to overcome. We were saying that was going to be an issue as early as the first week when they couldn't keep him upright, and it only got worse as the year went on. Musical chairs on the oline killed last season. Games where they scored 27 or more and lost killed last season. Both issues seem to have been addressed.

To me, losing Kirk was the killer.  I'm feeling pretty good with Kirk returning AND a new weapon in Thomas.

I can see that as well, losing both Kirk and Zay for extended periods put the one really good part, the passing game, in a hole they couldn't carry the bad lines and defense out of.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

https://twitter.com/theryanmichael/statu...915L-t18Xg

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The team around Trevor was good save the soft lines. Once the injuries hit it was too much to overcome. We were saying that was going to be an issue as early as the first week when they couldn't keep him upright, and it only got worse as the year went on. Musical chairs on the oline killed last season. Games where they scored 27 or more and lost killed last season. Both issues seem to have been addressed.

To me, losing Kirk was the killer.  I'm feeling pretty good with Kirk returning AND a new weapon in Thomas.

And Gabe Davis and Mitch Morris

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https://twitter.com/theryanmichael/statu...915L-t18Xg

I'm sorry, but saying that Trevor Lawrence has more pressure to deliver than any player in football, because the Jags have no ability to win without him is poppycock.

So, the Chiefs and Bills could win without Mahomes and Allen playing well? How did the Jets do with a great roster last year without a QB playing well? Trevor has more pressure on him than Aaron Rodgers does this season?

Blah...

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https://twitter.com/1010xljoec/status/18...1693294945

https://twitter.com/theryanmichael/statu...9578497271

https://twitter.com/DanPizzuta/status/18...7587288201

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No Fun

This isn't an individual sport. There are 22 guys on the field for each play and on most plays each one has an effect on the outcome. Good QB play gives receivers better ball placement and timing, but the receiver still has to catch the ball. QB play can also be significantly negatively affected by bad protection. Good protection doesn't make the QB better. He is what he is. A bad QB with good protection is just a bad QB with more time to throw. His accuracy will still be off. His decision making will still not be as sharp. His arm still has the same level of strength.

A good QB with bad protection will still have moments of good QB play, but many more moments than he should of plays being negatively affected by the poor protection which kills drives and makes things look much worse than they are. By almost every measure, Lawrence had one of the worst o-lines in the league as a whole last year mostly due to abhorrent center play. You have to largely ignore stats and watch with your eyes does your QB keep his eyes downfield?, does he go through progressions?, does he deliver the ball quickly with good accuracy,? does he have good pocket presence/awareness? (does he walk into sacks or get rag dolled from a hit from behind?) There's not that many guys on the planet that are very good to great at all of these things. Trevor has shown he is when healthy. You won't have to focus on these things when the protection is there consistently. Fewer drives will stall, passing stats will increase and you can lazily look at the stat line and declare your QB to be great and probably be right without any in depth analysis of his performance. Don't worry, lazy analysis will catch up quickly with reality this season.

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