44% of Trevor's lost fumbles in all of 2022 came in a singular game. Is there a word for a stat like that?

Trevor has 21 lost fumbles in 3 years. I have not looked up records for lost fumbles for a QB over a 3 year span, but there is no way to spin that to the positive.

The turnovers need to stop, and I won't even get on him for all the picks. I have said I am hoping that this is the year Trevor gets the Jags over the hump to becoming a true contender for World Championships. One thing that will help is him protecting the football.

What if - and try to really use your imagination here - but what if for the first time in his NFL career he was given more than 2 seconds after the snap to make three reads and complete the designed play instead of hurrying throws or taking off on a wanton scramble because his line allowed pressure in under 1.5 seconds consistently during most drives? 

I know you haven't watched the games, as is evident in every single post you make, but your lack of understanding about the amount if duress and off script improvisation involved in these turnovers that you love blathering about is 100% willful ignorance at this point.

The kid probably gets a pocket to step into 4 or 5 times per game and they never last anywhere near the league average. 

But you don't know that because you're  a packers troll who hasn't seen the tape - or is too stupid to process what you're seeing. 
I bet it's the former with the latter a strong eventuality.

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44% of Trevor's lost fumbles in all of 2022 came in a singular game. Is there a word for a stat like that?

Trevor has 21 lost fumbles in 3 years. I have not looked up records for lost fumbles for a QB over a 3 year span, but there is no way to spin that to the positive.

The turnovers need to stop, and I won't even get on him for all the picks. I have said I am hoping that this is the year Trevor gets the Jags over the hump to becoming a true contender for World Championships. One thing that will help is him protecting the football.

I agree that Trevor has a lot he can improve on.  But I think there's too much emphasis on Trevor being the key to success or failure.  Success or failure is not entirely up to him.  Like I said before, too many people look at Trevor's wins and losses, his completion percentage, his touchdowns and turnovers, and make a judgment based on that, and don't look at the actual games.  Offensive success depends on 11 players doing their jobs, and one player not executing can make any QB look bad.  

Trevor can play the same this year as last year, but he will look a lot better because we have improved the team around him.  

So to say what you said, "I am hoping that this is the year Trevor gets the Jags over the hump..." what I am saying is, it depends on a lot more than just Trevor.  In fact, I would put it as "I hope this is the year Trent Baalke can get the Jags over the hump."  Because from what I have seen, in the case of Trevor, his success or failure this year will depend almost entirely on the players around him.

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Trevor has 21 lost fumbles in 3 years. I have not looked up records for lost fumbles for a QB over a 3 year span, but there is no way to spin that to the positive.

The turnovers need to stop, and I won't even get on him for all the picks. I have said I am hoping that this is the year Trevor gets the Jags over the hump to becoming a true contender for World Championships. One thing that will help is him protecting the football.

I agree that Trevor has a lot he can improve on.  But I think there's too much emphasis on Trevor being the key to success or failure.  Success or failure is not entirely up to him.  Like I said before, too many people look at Trevor's wins and losses, his completion percentage, his touchdowns and turnovers, and make a judgment based on that, and don't look at the actual games.  Offensive success depends on 11 players doing their jobs, and one player not executing can make any QB look bad.  

Trevor can play the same this year as last year, but he will look a lot better because we have improved the team around him.  

So to say what you said, "I am hoping that this is the year Trevor gets the Jags over the hump..." what I am saying is, it depends on a lot more than just Trevor.  In fact, I would put it as "I hope this is the year Trent Baalke can get the Jags over the hump."  Because from what I have seen, in the case of Trevor, his success or failure this year will depend almost entirely on the players around him.

The constant attempt to try and make my comments into me slamming Trevor is laughable. Any rational person would conclude I am on Trevor's side, I want him and the team to succeed.

I never said everything is on Trevor, but I say again with feeling, that franchise QBs are what take good teams to being true contenders for winning it all every year.

We can agree to disagree on whether the roster and coaching staff is good enough around Trevor to win it all with him. I feel they are.

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Ah the win it all.defines everything.

The Steelers approach is actually the most reasonable. Set an identity, stuck to it, and compete. You build to given yourself the chance to first make the playoffs and then win.

Current chiefs and patriot accomplishments, those are outliers in the history of the NFL. It is not reasonable to think Jax is going to repeat this success. The team is already better than the past decade of results. It is okay to want more but ....

Trevor makes all the throws
Can climb the pocket
Can lead a comeback
Can win

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44% of Trevor's lost fumbles in all of 2022 came in a singular game. Is there a word for a stat like that?

Butterfingers?

I was thinking outlier.

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I agree that Trevor has a lot he can improve on.  But I think there's too much emphasis on Trevor being the key to success or failure.  Success or failure is not entirely up to him.  Like I said before, too many people look at Trevor's wins and losses, his completion percentage, his touchdowns and turnovers, and make a judgment based on that, and don't look at the actual games.  Offensive success depends on 11 players doing their jobs, and one player not executing can make any QB look bad.  

Trevor can play the same this year as last year, but he will look a lot better because we have improved the team around him.  

So to say what you said, "I am hoping that this is the year Trevor gets the Jags over the hump..." what I am saying is, it depends on a lot more than just Trevor.  In fact, I would put it as "I hope this is the year Trent Baalke can get the Jags over the hump."  Because from what I have seen, in the case of Trevor, his success or failure this year will depend almost entirely on the players around him.

The constant attempt to try and make my comments into me slamming Trevor is laughable. Any rational person would conclude I am on Trevor's side,  I want him and the team to succeed.

I never said everything is on Trevor, but I say again with feeling, that franchise QBs are what take good teams to being true contenders for winning it all every year.

We can agree to disagree on whether the roster and coaching staff is good enough around Trevor to win it all with him. I feel they are.

They might be now.  They obviously weren't last year.  Anyone who actually watched the games would agree.

We had a huge problem at Center, which caused a cascade of problems along the offensive line, especially after it was hit with a lot of injuries.  Add to that losing our best WR, and multiple injuries to our QB, which caused him to not be able to practice at all, and you can see why we only went 9-8.

Perhaps I am misreading you, but it seems you are implying it is entirely up to Trevor to get this team over the hump.  Statements like, "I am hoping that this is the year Trevor gets the Jags over the hump..." That's what I disagree with.  It's not up to Trevor to get us over the hump.  It's up to Trent Baalke.

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44% of Trevor's lost fumbles in all of 2022 came in a singular game. Is there a word for a stat like that?

Trevor has 21 lost fumbles in 3 years. I have not looked up records for lost fumbles for a QB over a 3 year span, but there is no way to spin that to the positive.

The turnovers need to stop, and I won't even get on him for all the picks. I have said I am hoping that this is the year Trevor gets the Jags over the hump to becoming a true contender for World Championships. One thing that will help is him protecting the football.

Again, need to get off the stat sheet and do some actual analysis. 4 of those lost fumbles were in a tropical depression. How many more were strip-sacks due to our porous line? Everyone remembers the horrible fumble against the bungles where the ball just slipped out, but that was far from the norm as far as his game goes. I'd venture that the vast majority of his lost fumbles are the ones where he's pummeled by an unblocked rusher and had no chance to recover.

Some perspective....Trevor has never had more than 12 fumbles in a season. Among active QBs, Fields had 16 in '22, D. Jones had 19 in '19, Dak had 14 in 2021. Tua had 13 last year, Lamar had 11. in 2022, Josh Allen had 13. In 2021, the statuesque Kork Coupins had 12.

Maybe he's average? These are fumbles, mind you, and not lost fumbles, but seems to me at the very least that it's not like he is putting the ball on the ground any more frequently than a number of the top QB out there.

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Ah the win it all.defines everything.

Yes, that is the ultimate goal for every team every season. And no, no one expects their fav team to win it all every single season. That is indeed not realistic for ANY team.

But every year there are 9 or 10 teams that are in the mix as contenders to win it all. Yes, I feel the Jags should be better than just hoping to get in the playoffs every year. If just being good enough to have a chance at the playoffs is good enough for a fan base, then great.

That is not good enough for the fan bases of the actual contenders this year
KC
San Fran
Buffalo
Ravens
Bengals
Packers
Lions
NY Jets
Eagles
Cowboys

Now, I actually feel the Jaguars are above a couple of those teams as far as roster and coaching staffs. And Trevor is capable of being as good or better than a few of the QBs.

We shall see how year 4 of the Trevor Lawrence era goes. I think the Chargers and Jaguars are right there to prove they are true contenders as opposed to pretenders. Both have franchise QBs to get them there.

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Lawrence > Herbert in my opinion.

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Trevor has 21 lost fumbles in 3 years. I have not looked up records for lost fumbles for a QB over a 3 year span, but there is no way to spin that to the positive.

The turnovers need to stop, and I won't even get on him for all the picks. I have said I am hoping that this is the year Trevor gets the Jags over the hump to becoming a true contender for World Championships. One thing that will help is him protecting the football.

Again, need to get off the stat sheet and do some actual analysis.

These are fumbles, mind you, and not lost fumbles.

You can keep trying to frame me as someone who just looks at stats, and I will keep laughing as you make a fool of yourself. Too funny!

And Trevor has 21 LOST fumbles in 3 years. Not the end of the world, but something he needs to work on is protecting the football. He admits that.

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Lawrence > Herbert in my opinion.

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Fix the O-Line!

https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/18031...F-EMA&s=19

Lawrence > Herbert in my opinion.

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They're both very good QBs.


2022 season

Lawrence full 17 game season
387 completions on 584 attempts = 66.3% completion   25 TDs  8 INTs  4,113 yards

Herbert full 17 game season
477 completions on 699 attempts = 68.2% completion   25 TDs  10 INTs  4,739 yards


2023 season

Lawrence to his injury in the Bengals game (12 games)
271 completions on 399 attempts = 67.92% completion   17 TDs  7 INTs  3,004 yards

Herbert thru 12 games (went out for the remainder of the season in game 13)
288 completions on 439 attempts = 65.6% completion    20 TDs  6 INTs  3,038 yards



Lawrence is 2 - 0 all time versus Herbert including the playoff come from behind win.  Lawrence had arrived and was still ascending when his injury occurred which significantly negatively affected his performance from then on.  I'm sure a lot of QBs can go through a list of almost catches and near miss touchdowns, but Lawrence did also seem to have more than his fair share last year.  No disrespect to Herbert as I think he will have a great career, but I'd take TLaw over him as well. Not faulting anyone for taking Herbert though.  Valid criticisms on TLaw last year are he fumbles a bit more than you'd like to see and he/they need to tighten up in the red zone and make more of these near miss touchdowns into actual touchdowns.  Receivers need to work on getting both feet in bounds and TLaw could maybe deliver the ball a nano second earlier or both and he probably has 3 or 4 more TDs during the first 12 games last year.  The way last year ended people are asleep hard on TLaw and the Jags.  It's going to be a glorious season.

The poll and comments on that Sharp tweet are interesting and exhibit A on how many are asleep.

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Ah the win it all.defines everything.

Yes, that is the ultimate goal for every team every season. And no, no one expects their fav team to win it all every single season. That is indeed not realistic for ANY team.

But every year there are 9 or 10 teams that are in the mix as contenders to win it all. Yes, I feel the Jags should be better than just hoping to get in the playoffs every year. If just being good enough to have a chance at the playoffs is good enough for a fan base, then great.

That is not good enough for the fan bases of the actual contenders this year
KC
San Fran
Buffalo
Ravens
Bengals
Packers
Lions
NY Jets
Eagles
Cowboys

Now, I actually feel the Jaguars are above a couple of those teams as far as roster and coaching staffs. And Trevor is capable of being as good or better than a few of the QBs.

We shall see how year 4 of the Trevor Lawrence era goes. I think the Chargers and Jaguars are right there to prove they are true contenders as opposed to pretenders. Both have franchise QBs to get them there.

This is not the norm......

Since the 2001 NFL playoffs (those that took place after the 2000 regular season), an average of 5.6 teams per postseason were in the playoffs the year prior. That amounts to a 46.9 percent turnover. Three times—2001-2002, 2007-2008, 2009-2010—the turnover of playoff teams from one year to the next was six (50 percent).

NFL Is purposefully set up to give more teams hope.

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Yes, that is the ultimate goal for every team every season. And no, no one expects their fav team to win it all every single season. That is indeed not realistic for ANY team.

But every year there are 9 or 10 teams that are in the mix as contenders to win it all. Yes, I feel the Jags should be better than just hoping to get in the playoffs every year. If just being good enough to have a chance at the playoffs is good enough for a fan base, then great.

That is not good enough for the fan bases of the actual contenders this year
KC
San Fran
Buffalo
Ravens
Bengals
Packers
Lions
NY Jets
Eagles
Cowboys

Now, I actually feel the Jaguars are above a couple of those teams as far as roster and coaching staffs. And Trevor is capable of being as good or better than a few of the QBs.

We shall see how year 4 of the Trevor Lawrence era goes. I think the Chargers and Jaguars are right there to prove they are true contenders as opposed to pretenders. Both have franchise QBs to get them there.

This is not the norm......

Since the 2001 NFL playoffs (those that took place after the 2000 regular season), an average of 5.6 teams per postseason were in the playoffs the year prior. That amounts to a 46.9 percent turnover. Three times—2001-2002, 2007-2008, 2009-2010—the turnover of playoff teams from one year to the next was six (50 percent).

NFL Is purposefully set up to give more teams hope.

I'm not saying the same 9 or 10 teams are the actual contenders every year. And I am not suggesting that some teams fans should have no hope.

I am just saying that I would like to see the Jaguars play to a level this season that they are mentioned with the likes of KC, San Fran, and Baltimore. Is that too much to ask? I get blowback here every time I mention that this team is good enough overall. And it's not just on Trevor, but he needs to play at the high level that he is capable of.

Not sure why most here are so defensive about anything said about Trevor Lawrence. It's like: Hey, Trevor Lawrence farted and it stinks. People on this forum: "His farts don't stink, you are lying. And you aren't looking at the fact that he had some bad Mexican food."

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Ah the win it all.defines everything.

Yes, that is the ultimate goal for every team every season. And no, no one expects their fav team to win it all every single season. That is indeed not realistic for ANY team.

But every year there are 9 or 10 teams that are in the mix as contenders to win it all. Yes, I feel the Jags should be better than just hoping to get in the playoffs every year. If just being good enough to have a chance at the playoffs is good enough for a fan base, then great.

That is not good enough for the fan bases of the actual contenders this year
KC
San Fran
Buffalo
Ravens
Bengals
Packers
Lions
NY Jets
Eagles
Cowboys

Now, I actually feel the Jaguars are above a couple of those teams as far as roster and coaching staffs. And Trevor is capable of being as good or better than a few of the QBs.

We shall see how year 4 of the Trevor Lawrence era goes. I think the Chargers and Jaguars are right there to prove they are true contenders as opposed to pretenders. Both have franchise QBs to get them there.

I blame this kind of mindset on the endless amount of talking head sport shows now. Opinions become so reactionary and this endlessly moving rankings and contenders that live and die week by week. 32 teams start the season trying to win it all, 31 of those teams will be disappointed. Every team and fanbase will have their own expectations for what they consider a successful season. Let's look at the teams you consider contenders in the last 5 years.

KC- 3 SB's
San Fran- 0 SB's
Ravens- 0 SB's
Bengals- 0 SB's
Packers- 0 SB's
Lions- 0 SB's
Jets- 0 SB's
Eagles- 0 SB's
Dallas- 0 SB's

So by being a contender, every team there but the Chiefs have surely failed. They didn't win it all so therefore it was a bad season and its the players/coaches/GM to blame. See its ridiculous.

2 seasons ago we were picking 1st for the second year in a row. The fact we've had two winning seasons in a row and contending for playoffs is a huge step forwards and something most fans see the positive and long term progression rather than why hasn't Trevor got a SB yet. Our expectations for this season are still get to the playoffs and hope we have a run in January. No one should realistically expect us to be a SB favourite yet. 

But when we do become a SB contender I'm sure if we don't win the SB that year it will be another thing people blame on Trevor.

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Yes, that is the ultimate goal for every team every season. And no, no one expects their fav team to win it all every single season. That is indeed not realistic for ANY team.

But every year there are 9 or 10 teams that are in the mix as contenders to win it all. Yes, I feel the Jags should be better than just hoping to get in the playoffs every year. If just being good enough to have a chance at the playoffs is good enough for a fan base, then great.

That is not good enough for the fan bases of the actual contenders this year
KC
San Fran
Buffalo
Ravens
Bengals
Packers
Lions
NY Jets
Eagles
Cowboys

Now, I actually feel the Jaguars are above a couple of those teams as far as roster and coaching staffs. And Trevor is capable of being as good or better than a few of the QBs.

We shall see how year 4 of the Trevor Lawrence era goes. I think the Chargers and Jaguars are right there to prove they are true contenders as opposed to pretenders. Both have franchise QBs to get them there.

I blame this kind of mindset on the endless amount of talking head sport shows now.

I stopped reading your post and just scrolled by it and posted after your first sentence. I don't watch "talking head sport shows" so, I knew then that anything you had to say about my post was completely irrelevant to what I posted.

I watch only live sports and music related content on TV. So, all those "talking head sport shows" you obviously watch have twisted your thoughts so much that your reading and comprehension skills are now non-existent.

I hope you enjoy the NFL season, I know I will.

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I blame this kind of mindset on the endless amount of talking head sport shows now.

I stopped reading your post and just scrolled by it and posted after your first sentence. I don't watch "talking head sport shows" so, I knew then that anything you had to say about my post was completely irrelevant to what I posted.

I watch only live sports and music related content on TV. So, all those "talking head sport shows" you obviously watch have twisted your thoughts so much that your reading and comprehension skills are now non-existent.

I hope you enjoy the NFL season. I know I will.

The head in the sand approach to a conversation. 

Enjoy watching the box scores.

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I blame this kind of mindset on the endless amount of talking head sport shows now.

I stopped reading your post and just scrolled by it and posted after your first sentence. I don't watch "talking head sport shows" so, I knew then that anything you had to say about my post was completely irrelevant to what I posted.

I watch only live sports and music related content on TV. So, all those "talking head sport shows" you obviously watch have twisted your thoughts so much that your reading and comprehension skills are now non-existent.

I hope you enjoy the NFL season. I know I will.

Yeah after the Packers start the season 0-5

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