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My god, Biden looked terrible.


(07-01-2024, 08:25 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:
(07-01-2024, 07:09 AM)mikesez Wrote: The failure of imagination and lack of awareness of other countries around here would surprise me less if you all weren't so confident in your ignorance.  Even thinking it makes you stronger or more manly.

Trump doesn't have to openly declare "constitution over, me dictator now." Even Putin left office for a while.  But he put his favored lap dog in there to keep his seat warm.  One scenario is, Trump appoints a compliant successor, then abuses his power every way to Sunday to make sure that successor wins in 2028.  He already tried to prosecute a political opponent for a totally made up crime once. And he is promising to do it again. He won't have to beg Ukraine or another country to get involved this time. He will have enough lackies at DOJ all the way up and down that they will all cooperate to make up and prosecute charges.

What in the world?   You must be off your meds.  Wild imagination indeed, which happens to be the main ingredient required for a good conspiracy theory.   Actually, this one sounds kinda like it could also fit the current resident of the oval office depending on how loyal the inner circle is to Jill vs. former President Obama.  Biden in his current mental state with a willing accomplice media would be the perfect lap dog in your scenario above, wouldn't he?

I have little doubt Mike lifted this scenario from a left wing hate site, although I’m sure he’ll deny it. But that’s neither here nor there. What this fantasy presents is the MSM narrative for the next four years if Trump is elected. It was the false narrative of Russia collusion before, now it will be the relentless drumbeat of conspiracy to overthrow democracy.
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(This post was last modified: 07-01-2024, 08:47 AM by The Real Marty. Edited 3 times in total.)

(07-01-2024, 07:54 AM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(07-01-2024, 07:48 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: Well, as of now, our next President is Trump.  I'm not going to worry about it.

With Biden’s mental decline being obvious for so long, why didn’t the DNC act earlier to replace him? That’s my biggest question.

Part of the reason is that if he had been persuaded to retire, the prospective nominee would have been Kamala Harris, and she had worse approval ratings than he did, so she probably would have lost against Trump.  And there was no way the very race-and-sex-conscious Democrats would have been able to push her aside without a severe backlash from some powerful constituencies.  In fact, that's probably one of the reasons they are still not pushing hard enough to get him out of the race.

Here we are with two candidates, one of whom never took the trouble to learn anything, and the other who has forgotten everything.  Trump is so ignorant he just makes stuff up, and Biden is so far gone he can't remember how he started his latest sentence.  What a choice.  You have to laugh.  There's nothing else you can do.

I don't know if you can get beyond the pay wall and read this, but this is an interesting take on the question you ask.  

The Road to a Crisis: How Democrats Let Biden Glide to Renomination - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
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(07-01-2024, 08:25 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:
(07-01-2024, 07:09 AM)mikesez Wrote: The failure of imagination and lack of awareness of other countries around here would surprise me less if you all weren't so confident in your ignorance.  Even thinking it makes you stronger or more manly.

Trump doesn't have to openly declare "constitution over, me dictator now." Even Putin left office for a while.  But he put his favored lap dog in there to keep his seat warm.  One scenario is, Trump appoints a compliant successor, then abuses his power every way to Sunday to make sure that successor wins in 2028.  He already tried to prosecute a political opponent for a totally made up crime once. And he is promising to do it again. He won't have to beg Ukraine or another country to get involved this time. He will have enough lackies at DOJ all the way up and down that they will all cooperate to make up and prosecute charges.

What in the world?   You must be off your meds.  Wild imagination indeed, which happens to be the main ingredient required for a good conspiracy theory.   Actually, this one sounds kinda like it could also fit the current resident of the oval office depending on how loyal the inner circle is to Jill vs. former President Obama.  Biden in his current mental state with a willing accomplice media would be the perfect lap dog in your scenario above, wouldn't he?

Sure, Biden might be somebody's lap dog, but that somebody shows every sign of respecting the results of our upcoming free and fair election.  That somebody is not trying to use foreign governments to prosecute its political opponents.  That somebody is only prosecuting its political opponent for crimes committed on live TV.

(07-01-2024, 08:33 AM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(07-01-2024, 08:25 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: What in the world?   You must be off your meds.  Wild imagination indeed, which happens to be the main ingredient required for a good conspiracy theory.   Actually, this one sounds kinda like it could also fit the current resident of the oval office depending on how loyal the inner circle is to Jill vs. former President Obama.  Biden in his current mental state with a willing accomplice media would be the perfect lap dog in your scenario above, wouldn't he?

I have little doubt Mike lifted this scenario from a left wing hate site, although I’m sure he’ll deny it. But that’s neither here nor there. What this fantasy presents is the MSM narrative for the next four years if Trump is elected. It was the false narrative of Russia collusion before, now it will be the relentless drumbeat of conspiracy to overthrow democracy.

I don't read left wing sites.
I read foreign news and have done so for decades.
I have studied the history of many of the French and other European revolutions, along with the coups we've seen in South America and Africa.
Trump has studied this stuff too.
There are patterns.
My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.
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(07-01-2024, 08:35 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(07-01-2024, 07:54 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: With Biden’s mental decline being obvious for so long, why didn’t the DNC act earlier to replace him? That’s my biggest question.

Part of the reason is that if he had been persuaded to retire, the prospective nominee would have been Kamala Harris, and she had worse approval ratings than he did, so she probably would have lost against Trump.  And there was no way the very race-and-sex-conscious Democrats would have been able to push her aside without a severe backlash from some powerful constituencies.  In fact, that's probably one of the reasons they are still not pushing hard enough to get him out of the race.

Little did they know when she was chosen 4 years ago as VP that she'd actually be the anchor that prevented them from crossing the finish line 4 years later.  Too funny.  She'll have to change her go to quote now.  "What can be could've been, unburdened by what a has been."
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(07-01-2024, 08:41 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-01-2024, 08:25 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: What in the world?   You must be off your meds.  Wild imagination indeed, which happens to be the main ingredient required for a good conspiracy theory.   Actually, this one sounds kinda like it could also fit the current resident of the oval office depending on how loyal the inner circle is to Jill vs. former President Obama.  Biden in his current mental state with a willing accomplice media would be the perfect lap dog in your scenario above, wouldn't he?

Sure, Biden might be somebody's lap dog, but that somebody shows every sign of respecting the results of our upcoming free and fair election.  That somebody is not trying to use foreign governments to prosecute its political opponents.  That somebody is only prosecuting its political opponent for crimes committed on live TV.

So you're ok with an unelected person or persons running things from the curtains as long as it's your guy/team.  You're not being very rational this morning.  You're positing that a guy will do something 4 years from now that you can't know to be true which is actually very likely happening right now in real time before your very eyes.
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(07-01-2024, 08:41 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-01-2024, 08:25 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: What in the world?   You must be off your meds.  Wild imagination indeed, which happens to be the main ingredient required for a good conspiracy theory.   Actually, this one sounds kinda like it could also fit the current resident of the oval office depending on how loyal the inner circle is to Jill vs. former President Obama.  Biden in his current mental state with a willing accomplice media would be the perfect lap dog in your scenario above, wouldn't he?

Sure, Biden might be somebody's lap dog, but that somebody shows every sign of respecting the results of our upcoming free and fair election.  That somebody is not trying to use foreign governments to prosecute its political opponents.  That somebody is only prosecuting its political opponent for crimes committed on live TV.

(07-01-2024, 08:33 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: I have little doubt Mike lifted this scenario from a left wing hate site, although I’m sure he’ll deny it. But that’s neither here nor there. What this fantasy presents is the MSM narrative for the next four years if Trump is elected. It was the false narrative of Russia collusion before, now it will be the relentless drumbeat of conspiracy to overthrow democracy.

I don't read left wing sites.
I read foreign news and have done so for decades.
I have studied the history of many of the French and other European revolutions, along with the coups we've seen in South America and Africa.
Trump has studied this stuff too.
There are patterns.

Oh, okay.  Rolleyes
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(This post was last modified: 07-01-2024, 08:54 AM by Jaguarmeister. Edited 1 time in total.)

(07-01-2024, 08:41 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-01-2024, 08:33 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: I have little doubt Mike lifted this scenario from a left wing hate site, although I’m sure he’ll deny it. But that’s neither here nor there. What this fantasy presents is the MSM narrative for the next four years if Trump is elected. It was the false narrative of Russia collusion before, now it will be the relentless drumbeat of conspiracy to overthrow democracy.

I don't read left wing sites.
I read foreign news and have done so for decades.
I have studied the history of many of the French and other European revolutions, along with the coups we've seen in South America and Africa.
Trump has studied this stuff too.
There are patterns.

Sounds manly.
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(07-01-2024, 08:53 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:
(07-01-2024, 08:41 AM)mikesez Wrote: Sure, Biden might be somebody's lap dog, but that somebody shows every sign of respecting the results of our upcoming free and fair election.  That somebody is not trying to use foreign governments to prosecute its political opponents.  That somebody is only prosecuting its political opponent for crimes committed on live TV.

So you're ok with an unelected person or persons running things from the curtains as long as it's your guy/team.  You're not being very rational this morning.  You're accusing a guy of doing something 4 years from now that you can't know to be true which is actually very likely happening right now in real time before your very eyes.

Logic and reason are futile. It’s all worked out in his head.
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(This post was last modified: 07-01-2024, 09:39 AM by mikesez.)

(07-01-2024, 08:53 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:
(07-01-2024, 08:41 AM)mikesez Wrote: Sure, Biden might be somebody's lap dog, but that somebody shows every sign of respecting the results of our upcoming free and fair election.  That somebody is not trying to use foreign governments to prosecute its political opponents.  That somebody is only prosecuting its political opponent for crimes committed on live TV.

So you're ok with an unelected person or persons running things from the curtains as long as it's your guy/team.  You're not being very rational this morning.  You're positing that a guy will do something 4 years from now that you can't know to be true which is actually very likely happening right now in real time before your very eyes.

You're missing the point.  I'm not so worried about the possibility that the 48th president, elected in 2028, might be a lapdog for Trump, allowing Trump to effectively stay in power.  

Lap dogs supported by unknown people with unknown agendas are bad, but there is something worse.

I'm worried that Trump and his team may have, before 2028, so captured our justice apparatus that no one was able to effectively oppose their chosen 2028 candidate.  A world where opposing donors and journalists are constantly harassed and some go to jail.

(07-01-2024, 08:55 AM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(07-01-2024, 08:53 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: So you're ok with an unelected person or persons running things from the curtains as long as it's your guy/team.  You're not being very rational this morning.  You're accusing a guy of doing something 4 years from now that you can't know to be true which is actually very likely happening right now in real time before your very eyes.

Logic and reason are futile. It’s all worked out in his head.

If you were here to listen instead of snarking it would make sense.
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(07-01-2024, 09:39 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-01-2024, 08:53 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: So you're ok with an unelected person or persons running things from the curtains as long as it's your guy/team.  You're not being very rational this morning.  You're positing that a guy will do something 4 years from now that you can't know to be true which is actually very likely happening right now in real time before your very eyes.

You're missing the point.  I'm not so worried about the possibility that the 48th president, elected in 2028, might be a lapdog for Trump, allowing Trump to effectively stay in power.  

Lap dogs supported by unknown people with unknown agendas are bad, but there is something worse.

I'm worried that Trump and his team may have, before 2028, so captured our justice apparatus that no one was able to effectively oppose their chosen 2028 candidate.  A world where opposing donors and journalists are constantly harassed and some go to jail.

(07-01-2024, 08:55 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: Logic and reason are futile. It’s all worked out in his head.

If you were here to listen instead of snarking it would make sense.

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(07-01-2024, 09:55 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: Big Grin Banana Wink

https://x.com/Lilu14855077/status/180677...E46zA&s=19

Irrefutable proof that Mike is correct.
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(07-01-2024, 10:14 AM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(07-01-2024, 09:55 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: Big Grin Banana Wink

https://x.com/Lilu14855077/status/180677...E46zA&s=19

Irrefutable proof that Mike is correct.

Frame it so he can hang it on his wall..

I still think these looney libs and dems are scared of the wrong Trump..
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(07-01-2024, 10:23 AM)WingerDinger Wrote:
(07-01-2024, 10:14 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: Irrefutable proof that Mike is correct.

Frame it so he can hang it on his wall..

I still think these looney libs and dems are scared of the wrong Trump..

Should we be more scared of Eric?
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(07-01-2024, 09:39 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-01-2024, 08:53 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: So you're ok with an unelected person or persons running things from the curtains as long as it's your guy/team.  You're not being very rational this morning.  You're positing that a guy will do something 4 years from now that you can't know to be true which is actually very likely happening right now in real time before your very eyes.

You're missing the point.  I'm not so worried about the possibility that the 48th president, elected in 2028, might be a lapdog for Trump, allowing Trump to effectively stay in power.  

Lap dogs supported by unknown people with unknown agendas are bad, but there is something worse.

I'm worried that Trump and his team may have, before 2028, so captured our justice apparatus that no one was able to effectively oppose their chosen 2028 candidate.  A world where opposing donors and journalists are constantly harassed and some go to jail.

Based on what?  He held the office for 4 years and wasn't successful in accomplishing what you suggest above.  He had an opportunity to put 3 conservative justices on the high court.  The difference between conservative justices and libs is that the conservatives that find themselves on the court apparently don't vote in lock step to the same degree the libs do.  They are conservative, yet based on how votes break down and how they've historically broken down in recent memory appear to, as a group, be much more fair and open minded and less activist than their lib counterparts.  That doesn't lend itself to "capturing the justice apparatus".  Also, didn't some Trump appointed judges in lower courts thwart his efforts in contesting the previous election results?

The current regime is actively involved at this very moment in an attempt to put him, their political rival, in jail, yet you hurl the accusation for such behavior back at him?  We know the Biden regime met with the Georgia prosecution team.  An official from the current regime also left to join the prosecution team in NY.  The previous Obama regime spied on his campaign in an attempt to illegally thwart his election. Everything you are saying will happen has either already relatively recently happened in reverse or is happening now with willing accomplices in the media to shield your eyes for you.  You're more worried about a potential turnabout than the actual crimes of the current and former Democratic administrations?  This is why people here generally don't take you seriously when you self identify as right leaning and/or Republican. It's selective outrage that almost always falls the same way coupled with jumping into political threads to 'splain for everyone why Dem individuals or Dem causes are really virtuous and should be above reproach.  You can have the last word, but I'm probably done with this for now.  Too much of a time waste.
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(07-01-2024, 10:27 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-01-2024, 10:23 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: Frame it so he can hang it on his wall..

I still think these looney libs and dems are scared of the wrong Trump..

Should we be more scared of Eric?

So you finally admit that you're not a Republican..

Congrats!!

The denial stage wasn't very becoming of you..
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(07-01-2024, 10:28 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:
(07-01-2024, 09:39 AM)mikesez Wrote: You're missing the point.  I'm not so worried about the possibility that the 48th president, elected in 2028, might be a lapdog for Trump, allowing Trump to effectively stay in power.  

Lap dogs supported by unknown people with unknown agendas are bad, but there is something worse.

I'm worried that Trump and his team may have, before 2028, so captured our justice apparatus that no one was able to effectively oppose their chosen 2028 candidate.  A world where opposing donors and journalists are constantly harassed and some go to jail.

Based on what?  He held the office for 4 years and wasn't successful in accomplishing what you suggest above.  He had an opportunity to put 3 conservative justices on the high court.  The difference between conservative justices and libs is that the conservatives that find themselves on the court apparently don't vote in lock step to the same degree the libs do.  They are conservative, yet based on how votes break down and how they've historically broken down in recent memory appear to, as a group, be much more fair and open minded and less activist than their lib counterparts.  That doesn't lend itself to "capturing the justice apparatus".  Also, didn't some Trump appointed judges in lower courts thwart his efforts in contesting the previous election results?

The current regime is actively involved at this very moment in an attempt to put him, their political rival, in jail, yet you hurl the accusation for such behavior back at him?  We know the Biden regime met with the Georgia prosecution team.  An official from the current regime also left to join the prosecution team in NY.  The previous Obama regime spied on his campaign in an attempt to illegally thwart his election. Everything you are saying will happen has either already relatively recently happened in reverse or is happening now with willing accomplices in the media to shield your eyes for you.  You're more worried about a potential turnabout than the actual crimes of the current and former Democratic administrations?  This is why people here generally don't take you seriously when you self identify as right leaning and/or Republican. It's selective outrage that almost always falls the same way coupled with jumping into political threads to 'splain for everyone why Dem individuals or Dem causes are really virtuous and should be above reproach.  You can have the last word, but I'm probably done with this for now.  Too much of a time waste.

He appointed 3 justices.  He thought that would be enough for plan A. They didn't help him in 2020 or January 2021. 
But they're helping him now.
And there is nothing wrong with prosecutors talking to each other.
Remember 9/11? We all got together and said that prosecutors and investigators at various levels need to get better at talking to each other.
There is nothing wrong with investigating a campaign for its connections to a foreign adversary if there is reasonable suspicion that those connections exist.  There is no evidence that any information not relevant to Russia was actually gleaned, and no evidence that Hillary got any information about Trump as a result of that investigation.
There is nothing wrong with trying to throw Trump in jail if you can prove that Trump actually committed crimes.  And in GA they can, it's a slam dunk.  The classified documents and federal fraud charges are also air-tight.  Do you somehow think Biden should be in jail? For what crime?

You're just a trainwreck of false equivalencies and red herrings at this point.

(07-01-2024, 10:43 AM)WingerDinger Wrote:
(07-01-2024, 10:27 AM)mikesez Wrote: Should we be more scared of Eric?

So you finally admit that you're not a Republican..

Congrats!!

The denial stage wasn't very becoming of you..

I only admit to being a liberal and only in the sense of believing in limited government, where anyone can have influence, and laws apply equally to everyone.  
You can call me looney if you want, I've called you worse.
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Lol.
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(07-01-2024, 11:16 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-01-2024, 10:28 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: Based on what?  He held the office for 4 years and wasn't successful in accomplishing what you suggest above.  He had an opportunity to put 3 conservative justices on the high court.  The difference between conservative justices and libs is that the conservatives that find themselves on the court apparently don't vote in lock step to the same degree the libs do.  They are conservative, yet based on how votes break down and how they've historically broken down in recent memory appear to, as a group, be much more fair and open minded and less activist than their lib counterparts.  That doesn't lend itself to "capturing the justice apparatus".  Also, didn't some Trump appointed judges in lower courts thwart his efforts in contesting the previous election results?

The current regime is actively involved at this very moment in an attempt to put him, their political rival, in jail, yet you hurl the accusation for such behavior back at him?  We know the Biden regime met with the Georgia prosecution team.  An official from the current regime also left to join the prosecution team in NY.  The previous Obama regime spied on his campaign in an attempt to illegally thwart his election. Everything you are saying will happen has either already relatively recently happened in reverse or is happening now with willing accomplices in the media to shield your eyes for you.  You're more worried about a potential turnabout than the actual crimes of the current and former Democratic administrations?  This is why people here generally don't take you seriously when you self identify as right leaning and/or Republican. It's selective outrage that almost always falls the same way coupled with jumping into political threads to 'splain for everyone why Dem individuals or Dem causes are really virtuous and should be above reproach.  You can have the last word, but I'm probably done with this for now.  Too much of a time waste.

He appointed 3 justices.  He thought that would be enough for plan A. They didn't help him in 2020 or January 2021. 
But they're helping him now.
And there is nothing wrong with prosecutors talking to each other.
Remember 9/11? We all got together and said that prosecutors and investigators at various levels need to get better at talking to each other.
There is nothing wrong with investigating a campaign for its connections to a foreign adversary if there is reasonable suspicion that those connections exist.  There is no evidence that any information not relevant to Russia was actually gleaned, and no evidence that Hillary got any information about Trump as a result of that investigation.
There is nothing wrong with trying to throw Trump in jail if you can prove that Trump actually committed crimes.  And in GA they can, it's a slam dunk.  The classified documents and federal fraud charges are also air-tight.  Do you somehow think Biden should be in jail? For what crime?

You're just a trainwreck of false equivalencies and red herrings at this point.

(07-01-2024, 10:43 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: So you finally admit that you're not a Republican..

Congrats!!

The denial stage wasn't very becoming of you..

I only admit to being a liberal and only in the sense of believing in limited government, where anyone can have influence, and laws apply equally to everyone.  
You can call me looney if you want, I've called you worse.

Yeah you probably tried to sic Mother Nature on me too lololololol

Weak..
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As I said, Mike has given us insight into the fevered logic of the DNC/MSM narrative-building for the next four years if Trump wins.

If you thought the Russia collusion lie was an exercise in leftist political fanaticism, the next four are going to be off the chain.
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