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My god, Biden looked terrible.


(07-09-2024, 09:06 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-09-2024, 08:22 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: I will bite.  Has he said this in public? Because he just said the other day he doesn't know about it.  Dude if you are watching it, stay off the CNN or MSNBC. They often times will spew their opinion out like it's fact.  Prove me wrong and just show me a quote.  I love to be educated.  The real truth is it probably is another typical Democratic Scare tactic like "our democracy is at stake" or whatever the slogan of the week is.

What is your take on the show the View?  Do you believe it is a honest balance show with intelligence?  Just want to know what level of liberal we are dealing with here. I got to ask, What will old Joe Biden accomplish in another 4 years?  There is no sign that things are improving for the average  American citizen.  You do believe Trump is an idiot. What is Joe Biden's plan to get the country right again?  Is it sending more Billions to Ukraine and letting another 12 million immigrants invade this country?

https://youtu.be/lBgudA6Y6NQ?si=gzHAxn3lEmh9kLdT

I don't watch TV news, except maybe once a month my wife tunes into the 6:30 news on ABC.  None of us watch CNN, Fox, MSNBC, The View, any of it.  The ladies on The View might have intelligent conversation or it might all be gossip and mudslinging and nonsense.  I don't know because I don't watch.  

I read articles at many websites.  I'll try any website once.  They all make mistakes, but the good ones correct their mistakes.  I avoid opinion pieces.  I read and listen to speeches from certain politicians but without the commentary.  

Read Project 2025 for yourself.  A lot of it is about how the President can defeat the "deep state".  And most Trump speeches this year have included the line "we will demolish the deep state".  I'm not saying these guys are "in with Trump" but a lot of what they are saying is the same.

The country has many problems and Biden and the DNC have literally zero plan to solve any of them during a potential second term.  The infrastructure bill is mostly helpful but there's nothing of that scale likely to happen in a second Biden term or a Harris term either.

But Trump is intent on turning old problems into new, worse problems.  He will take the inflation we have today and drive it even higher while he tries to "fix" it.

(07-09-2024, 08:29 PM)Sneakers Wrote: LOL.  If he can't do it, and you know he can't, why do your panties get all bunched up when he says he can?

The voters have a funny way of deciding for themselves what is in, or out, of bounds.  Or is that just another right you would like to see taken away?

Letting voters directly decide matters of constitutional law through their election of a specific President defeats the purpose of having a constitution and is literally and exactly the type of despotic direct democracy that the founders feared.

You equate campaign rhetoric with direct vote on constitutional law?  WOW!  That's a stretch, even for you.
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(07-11-2024, 09:23 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-11-2024, 08:17 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: And that's why you're wrong, you don't even understand your own position. Trump's policies are great, you don't like him personally. So in your mind he's NOT electable because of his personality not his obvious qualifications. No one thinks you're right about that, but it is what it is.

Words mean things.

"Qualified" is a personal, subjective assessment of a person based only on their own skills, history, personality, and experiences.  Almost none of it is quantifiable.

"Electable" is a personal assessment of a candidate based on how you think others will vote.  It is based mostly on polls, and also campaign budgets. Therefore it's partially quantifiable, and a lot of it is objective rather than subjective.

Mike I do not agree with your assessment but I respect you have a different opinion. I got to be honest, Under Biden, Americans feel he has done a really poor job. (37% approval rating and dropping)  You said it yourself that the Democrats have no plan to fix the economy.  That tells me in your mind that you believe another 4 years of the Biden Administration is better than giving Trump(who ran the country very well until the pandemic) a fair shot.  The problem is your logic goes against common sense.  Many like myself see that you have that hardcore democratic blue blood that would never allow you to see reason and stick with your party no matter what.  All Power to you but how does it make your life better?

I am putting my money where my  mouth is because I am voting Trump. I am no party tool and do not stick with a party but if you look at the Democratic party dating back to Bill Clinton and his Shenanigans the party is a complete mess.  Obama was Ok but accomplish very little outside of penalizing the poor for not being able to afford health care. Mike if I am wrong, can you please give me some great things the Democrats have done of the American people?

Mike if you want to know the real truth about the Democratic party watch this:


https://youtu.be/g_a7dQXilCo?si=OBWQTzbYcu-zR2yN
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(07-11-2024, 12:09 PM)Sneakers Wrote:
(07-09-2024, 09:06 PM)mikesez Wrote:

Letting voters directly decide matters of constitutional law through their election of a specific President defeats the purpose of having a constitution and is literally and exactly the type of despotic direct democracy that the founders feared.

You equate campaign rhetoric with direct vote on constitutional law?  WOW!  That's a stretch, even for you.

You equated them, not me.  You said voters get to decide what is in bounds and not.
This gives two possibilities for your meaning.

One, the campaign rhetoric is completely insincere, the voters all know it is insincere, and it is up to the voters to decide how many lies they will tolerate.  I don't think this is what you meant nor do I think it's what the people closest to Trump are thinking.

Or two, the campaign rhetoric is sincere, the voters all believe it is sincere, and the voters hope to break down Constitutional limits on the powers of the President by simply electing a President who will claim additional powers and dare others to stop him. That's what I think you meant and it's what I think Trump is going to try.
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(07-11-2024, 12:19 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote:
(07-11-2024, 09:23 AM)mikesez Wrote: Words mean things.

"Qualified" is a personal, subjective assessment of a person based only on their own skills, history, personality, and experiences.  Almost none of it is quantifiable.

"Electable" is a personal assessment of a candidate based on how you think others will vote.  It is based mostly on polls, and also campaign budgets. Therefore it's partially quantifiable, and a lot of it is objective rather than subjective.

Mike I do not agree with your assessment but I respect you have a different opinion. I got to be honest, Under Biden, Americans feel he has done a really poor job. (37% approval rating and dropping)  You said it yourself that the Democrats have no plan to fix the economy.  That tells me in your mind that you believe another 4 years of the Biden Administration is better than giving Trump(who ran the country very well until the pandemic) a fair shot.  The problem is your logic goes against common sense.  Many like myself see that you have that hardcore democratic blue blood that would never allow you to see reason and stick with your party no matter what.  All Power to you but how does it make your life better?

I am putting my money where my  mouth is because I am voting Trump. I am no party tool and do not stick with a party but if you look at the Democratic party dating back to Bill Clinton and his Shenanigans the party is a complete mess.  Obama was Ok but accomplish very little outside of penalizing the poor for not being able to afford health care. Mike if I am wrong, can you please give me some great things the Democrats have done of the American people?

Mike if you want to know the real truth about the Democratic party watch this:


https://youtu.be/g_a7dQXilCo?si=OBWQTzbYcu-zR2yN

I'm not a Democrat.  If I was a Democrat I would have claimed that the Democrats have a plan to improve the economy during the next four years.
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(07-11-2024, 01:38 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-11-2024, 12:19 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: Mike I do not agree with your assessment but I respect you have a different opinion. I got to be honest, Under Biden, Americans feel he has done a really poor job. (37% approval rating and dropping)  You said it yourself that the Democrats have no plan to fix the economy.  That tells me in your mind that you believe another 4 years of the Biden Administration is better than giving Trump(who ran the country very well until the pandemic) a fair shot.  The problem is your logic goes against common sense.  Many like myself see that you have that hardcore democratic blue blood that would never allow you to see reason and stick with your party no matter what.  All Power to you but how does it make your life better?

I am putting my money where my  mouth is because I am voting Trump. I am no party tool and do not stick with a party but if you look at the Democratic party dating back to Bill Clinton and his Shenanigans the party is a complete mess.  Obama was Ok but accomplish very little outside of penalizing the poor for not being able to afford health care. Mike if I am wrong, can you please give me some great things the Democrats have done of the American people?

Mike if you want to know the real truth about the Democratic party watch this:


https://youtu.be/g_a7dQXilCo?si=OBWQTzbYcu-zR2yN

I'm not a Democrat.  If I was a Democrat I would have claimed that the Democrats have a plan to improve the economy during the next four years.

Let me rephrase the Question.  Right now there are only 2 clear cut candidates. One has pretty clear signs of Dementia. Why should I vote for that guy over Trump?  The only real arguments I hear against Trump are things that are irrelevant to most people.  The whole FELON MSNBC line is a Joke so lets stick to reality here.  Trump has a big Ego, A big Mouth, and Can lie at times.  The difference is Trump knows what he is doing and where he is at.  The President has to negotiate and deal with world leaders.  I wouldn't trust Joe Biden to Manage bagging my groceries right now.  If voting outside of these two candidates I can respect that.  If your voting for Joe Biden I got to ask what is the logic?
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(07-11-2024, 02:57 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote:
(07-11-2024, 01:38 PM)mikesez Wrote: I'm not a Democrat.  If I was a Democrat I would have claimed that the Democrats have a plan to improve the economy during the next four years.

Let me rephrase the Question.  Right now there are only 2 clear cut candidates. One has pretty clear signs of Dementia. Why should I vote for that guy over Trump?  The only real arguments I hear against Trump are things that are irrelevant to most people.  The whole FELON MSNBC line is a Joke so lets stick to reality here.  Trump has a big Ego, A big Mouth, and Can lie at times.  The difference is Trump knows what he is doing and where he is at.  The President has to negotiate and deal with world leaders.  I wouldn't trust Joe Biden to Manage bagging my groceries right now.  If voting outside of these two candidates I can respect that.  If your voting for Joe Biden I got to ask what is the logic?

There is no logic in the Land of Lilliput..
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(07-11-2024, 02:57 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote:
(07-11-2024, 01:38 PM)mikesez Wrote: I'm not a Democrat.  If I was a Democrat I would have claimed that the Democrats have a plan to improve the economy during the next four years.

Let me rephrase the Question.  Right now there are only 2 clear cut candidates. One has pretty clear signs of Dementia. Why should I vote for that guy over Trump?  The only real arguments I hear against Trump are things that are irrelevant to most people.  The whole FELON MSNBC line is a Joke so lets stick to reality here.  Trump has a big Ego, A big Mouth, and Can lie at times.  The difference is Trump knows what he is doing and where he is at.  The President has to negotiate and deal with world leaders.  I wouldn't trust Joe Biden to Manage bagging my groceries right now.  If voting outside of these two candidates I can respect that.  If your voting for Joe Biden I got to ask what is the logic?

Our elections only let us indicate one choice for one seat.
Therefore, we should only ever vote for third parties if we are truly ambivalent about which of the top two candidates wins.
If you view one candidate as worse than the other, you have to vote for the better candidate.
Biden listened to advisors and delegates well when his mind was still sharp.  Now clearly those advisors are basically in charge.  Not great.
Meanwhile you have Trump who has never apologized for his role in January 6th and promises to require political, partisan loyalty tests for thousands of federal jobs that are currently non-political.  Put those together and he clearly wants to make it harder for any party not in power to gain power again.
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(07-11-2024, 03:09 PM)WingerDinger Wrote:
(07-11-2024, 02:57 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: Let me rephrase the Question.  Right now there are only 2 clear cut candidates. One has pretty clear signs of Dementia. Why should I vote for that guy over Trump?  The only real arguments I hear against Trump are things that are irrelevant to most people.  The whole FELON MSNBC line is a Joke so lets stick to reality here.  Trump has a big Ego, A big Mouth, and Can lie at times.  The difference is Trump knows what he is doing and where he is at.  The President has to negotiate and deal with world leaders.  I wouldn't trust Joe Biden to Manage bagging my groceries right now.  If voting outside of these two candidates I can respect that.  If your voting for Joe Biden I got to ask what is the logic?

There is no logic in the Land of Lilliput..

At least get your literary references right.  Everything in Lilliput was just as logical as the ordinary world, just smaller.

You're thinking of Wonderland.
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(07-11-2024, 03:11 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-11-2024, 02:57 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: Let me rephrase the Question.  Right now there are only 2 clear cut candidates. One has pretty clear signs of Dementia. Why should I vote for that guy over Trump?  The only real arguments I hear against Trump are things that are irrelevant to most people.  The whole FELON MSNBC line is a Joke so lets stick to reality here.  Trump has a big Ego, A big Mouth, and Can lie at times.  The difference is Trump knows what he is doing and where he is at.  The President has to negotiate and deal with world leaders.  I wouldn't trust Joe Biden to Manage bagging my groceries right now.  If voting outside of these two candidates I can respect that.  If your voting for Joe Biden I got to ask what is the logic?

Our elections only let us indicate one choice for one seat.
Therefore, we should only ever vote for third parties if we are truly ambivalent about which of the top two candidates wins.
If you view one candidate as worse than the other, you have to vote for the better candidate.
Biden listened to advisors and delegates well when his mind was still sharp.  Now clearly those advisors are basically in charge.  Not great.
Meanwhile you have Trump who has never apologized for his role in January 6th and promises to require political, partisan loyalty tests for thousands of federal jobs that are currently non-political.  Put those together and he clearly wants to make it harder for any party not in power to gain power again.

I guess it comes down to belief. I do not believe Trump was responsible for Jan 6th. Trump put in measures to prevent this and Pelosi Ignored them.  There is a viral Video Of Nancy Peloci admitting to a driver she was responsible for the whole thing.  Also I got to be honest, I could give 2 craps about Jan 6th.  When I can't afford the bare necessities a riot on DC does not matter to me.  How about all the Riots and the Destruction during BLM?  Biden and his staff fully endorsed the "peaceful protest" while those idiots were tearing down Statues, Destroying Property and just causing Havoc?  Funny you point to Jan 6 but nothing against Biden's Woke Administration and the destruction BLM caused on multiple cities that was fully endorsed by Biden.  Biden was never running the country and doubt he listened to anyone.
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(07-11-2024, 03:28 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-11-2024, 03:09 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: There is no logic in the Land of Lilliput..

At least get your literary references right.  Everything in Lilliput was just as logical as the ordinary world, just smaller.

You're thinking of Wonderland.

Yeah.. And both are imaginary.
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(07-11-2024, 03:47 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote:
(07-11-2024, 03:11 PM)mikesez Wrote: Our elections only let us indicate one choice for one seat.
Therefore, we should only ever vote for third parties if we are truly ambivalent about which of the top two candidates wins.
If you view one candidate as worse than the other, you have to vote for the better candidate.
Biden listened to advisors and delegates well when his mind was still sharp.  Now clearly those advisors are basically in charge.  Not great.
Meanwhile you have Trump who has never apologized for his role in January 6th and promises to require political, partisan loyalty tests for thousands of federal jobs that are currently non-political.  Put those together and he clearly wants to make it harder for any party not in power to gain power again.

I guess it comes down to belief. I do not believe Trump was responsible for Jan 6th. Trump put in measures to prevent this and Pelosi Ignored them.  There is a viral Video Of Nancy Peloci admitting to a driver she was responsible for the whole thing.  Also I got to be honest, I could give 2 craps about Jan 6th.  When I can't afford the bare necessities a riot on DC does not matter to me.  How about all the Riots and the Destruction during BLM?  Biden and his staff fully endorsed the "peaceful protest" while those idiots were tearing down Statues, Destroying Property and just causing Havoc?  Funny you point to Jan 6 but nothing against Biden's Woke Administration and the destruction BLM caused on multiple cities that was fully endorsed by Biden.  Biden was never running the country and doubt he listened to anyone.

You are not the first person to bring those things up... Maybe not even in this thread.
Pelosi took responsibility for the protestors being able to get as far as they did.  She overestimated her forces and underestimated the forces that would come in that day.
Trump is responsible for them trying to come in in the first place.
Pelosi is like the rape victim admitting that she should have asked someone to walk with her to her car that night.  Trump in that metaphor would be the rapist's buddy who gave the rapist cocaine and told him "go for it, she's weak and she won't remember in the morning anyhow."
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(07-11-2024, 02:57 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote:
(07-11-2024, 01:38 PM)mikesez Wrote: I'm not a Democrat.  If I was a Democrat I would have claimed that the Democrats have a plan to improve the economy during the next four years.

Let me rephrase the Question.  Right now there are only 2 clear cut candidates. One has pretty clear signs of Dementia. Why should I vote for that guy over Trump?  The only real arguments I hear against Trump are things that are irrelevant to most people.  The whole FELON MSNBC line is a Joke so lets stick to reality here.  Trump has a big Ego, A big Mouth, and Can lie at times.  The difference is Trump knows what he is doing and where he is at.  The President has to negotiate and deal with world leaders.  I wouldn't trust Joe Biden to Manage bagging my groceries right now.  If voting outside of these two candidates I can respect that.  If your voting for Joe Biden I got to ask what is the logic?

I can overlook a lot of things but refusing to adhere to a peaceful transition of power, which is not mentioned above, may be at the top of a lot of peoples list.  Just watch Ronald Reagan speak about it during his Inaugural Address starting at the 3 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LToM9bAnsyM
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President Putin....of Ukraine.

You biden voters should feel shame.
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(07-11-2024, 06:48 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: President Putin....of Ukraine.

You biden voters should feel shame.

Remember all the times I told you to feel shame?
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He's getting dangerously close to his bedtime. I wonder if they are having issues with the drugs or if he is just going to resign. You don't schedule an important press conference, when you need to prove you are competent, and then not show up.

CBS is saying the floodgates are going to open tonight and everyone was told to stay quiet until after NATO meetings were over.

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(07-11-2024, 07:01 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-11-2024, 06:48 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: President Putin....of Ukraine.

You biden voters should feel shame.

Remember all the times I told you to feel shame?

Yeah, but nobody cares because you're wrong all the time.
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(07-11-2024, 07:24 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(07-11-2024, 07:01 PM)mikesez Wrote: Remember all the times I told you to feel shame?

Yeah, but nobody cares because you're wrong all the time.

And that's exactly how I feel about him.

I don't take advice about shame from a guy who didn't feel shame about separating children from parents at the border.  Among other things.
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(07-11-2024, 07:46 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-11-2024, 07:24 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Yeah, but nobody cares because you're wrong all the time.

And that's exactly how I feel about him.

I don't take advice about shame from a guy who didn't feel shame about separating children from parents at the border.  Among other things.

You talking about your boy Barry?
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And I'll be candid. Do I feel ashamed on behalf of Joe Biden and the people closest to him that they let him run again? When everyone back in 2020 assumed he would be one and done? Yes. I'm a bit ashamed that I share humanity and nationality with such people.

I'm ashamed for the US that he was the best choice in 2020.

But ashamed for voting the man? [BLEEP] no! [BLEEP] you, dude.

(07-11-2024, 07:50 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(07-11-2024, 07:46 PM)mikesez Wrote: And that's exactly how I feel about him.

I don't take advice about shame from a guy who didn't feel shame about separating children from parents at the border.  Among other things.

You talking about your boy Barry?

Obama did not separate children from parents at the border.
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