When you're attempting to tug at heart strings to affect policy, you're probably a Dem.  Bad dudes can entice/force young children to travel with them and coerce them to lie and say that they are "a family".  Separating them for a period can allow an investigator to potentially get the truth out of the child. Letting the bad dudes know ahead of time that these coerced children will be separated from them when caught could help end the practice.  Sobbing into the nearest camera about "the children" as some Dems did only invites further abuses.  They are separated from their family, but are taken care of while in custody.  They are not being abused.  Some might say a border jumper bringing small children with them through the cover of darkness is abuse.

There are children being trafficked out there in the world.  True. Sad.  I guarantee you some of them are on I4 right now.  Should we stop every car, and take out every kid, and detain the kids separately from the parents until the parents prove their relationship?
No.
We should only stop people where there is a reasonable suspicion that they specifically are trafficking kids.
Right?
Now, at the border, we have a reasonable suspicion that the folks are committing a civil infraction by crossing. We can punish that.  We can collect them, and send them back. But there is no reason to separate every kid.  Only the ones where we have a reasonable suspicion that they are being trafficked. 
Right?

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Yes, they aren't in our country anymore. Beyond that I don't care.

But the kids are in our country, in foster care.  Creating de facto orphans is worth it to you?

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Agreed. Blame the parents for breaking the law hoping the border. Do not blame the law for upholding its part. If they bring their kid here illegally, they are bad fathers and setting bad examples for their kids.

We could have sent them back with their kids.  Stop setting up false choices.

They broke the Law, Set examples of them and make them think twice before more repeat it.  That is the problem with you liberal snowflakes.  Too soft on crime.  You want to package them up. Make their trip home Nice, cozy, and Snug.  Guess what?  You do that and they have no fear and will do it again because of little consequence.  They suffer and think twice before they do that or tell their family to try to do it.  They knew the risk when they broke the law, I do not feel bad for them.  I feel bad for the kids but if their parents where willing to show them how to break the law and cheat the system, In my eyes they shouldn't have custody of their kids. 

Your too soft and thats why you have cities like San Francisco, NY, and many other liberal cities literally falling apart.  Your so soft on crime they do not fear the consequences.  I bet those parents learned a lesson and will not return to their countries to tell their friends and family to try to hop the border again.

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Got a chance to watch the much anticipated “live” press conference from last night. Is there anyone that actually believes this wasn’t contrived with Biden knowing the questions and knowing who to call on? And still he couldn’t pull it off without ridiculous gaffes. What is wrong with these folks that will cast a vote for him? That support him?

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Got a chance to watch the much anticipated “live” press conference from last night.  Is there anyone that actually believes this wasn’t contrived with Biden knowing the questions and knowing who to call on?  And still he couldn’t pull it off without ridiculous gaffes.  What is wrong with these folks that will cast a vote for him?  That support him?

He called the President of Ukraine "Putin" and called Trump his vice president and many other stumbles.  It's so bad it seems purposeful now.

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When you're attempting to tug at heart strings to affect policy, you're probably a Dem.  Bad dudes can entice/force young children to travel with them and coerce them to lie and say that they are "a family".  Separating them for a period can allow an investigator to potentially get the truth out of the child. Letting the bad dudes know ahead of time that these coerced children will be separated from them when caught could help end the practice.  Sobbing into the nearest camera about "the children" as some Dems did only invites further abuses.  They are separated from their family, but are taken care of while in custody.  They are not being abused.  Some might say a border jumper bringing small children with them through the cover of darkness is abuse.

There are children being trafficked out there in the world.  True. Sad.  I guarantee you some of them are on I4 right now.  Should we stop every car, and take out every kid, and detain the kids separately from the parents until the parents prove their relationship?
No.
We should only stop people where there is a reasonable suspicion that they specifically are trafficking kids.
Right?
Now, at the border, we have a reasonable suspicion that the folks are committing a civil infraction by crossing. We can punish that.  We can collect them, and send them back. But there is no reason to separate every kid.  Only the ones where we have a reasonable suspicion that they are being trafficked. 
Right?

Wrong.

Lol.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

There are children being trafficked out there in the world.  True. Sad.  I guarantee you some of them are on I4 right now.  Should we stop every car, and take out every kid, and detain the kids separately from the parents until the parents prove their relationship?
No.
We should only stop people where there is a reasonable suspicion that they specifically are trafficking kids.
Right?
Now, at the border, we have a reasonable suspicion that the folks are committing a civil infraction by crossing. We can punish that.  We can collect them, and send them back. But there is no reason to separate every kid.  Only the ones where we have a reasonable suspicion that they are being trafficked. 
Right?

Wrong.

Lol.

What is the reason to separate every kid?

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I don't need to destroy Mexico to stop illegal immigration. What would help us though is imprisoning all of the illegals here while we deport them. I don't believe Trump will really do it, he's not nearly as extreme as you UIs want to pretend he is. Just because you want to continue this stupid game of yours doesn't mean the rest of us have to do so. As always you just want to continue arguing for the sake of arguing. At least the rest of us actually believe what we post here, unlike you who just wants to feel smart by being the eternal contrarian.

There are kids that were never reunited with their parents.  We don't know what happened to those parents.  Do you think that solved something?

Ever think that maybe the people they were separated from, and never reunited with weren’t actually their parents?

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Imagine someone comparing the mental acuity of this man to biden and being expected to be taken serious as a member of society.

https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/18...Uk0UA&s=19

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There are kids that were never reunited with their parents.  We don't know what happened to those parents.  Do you think that solved something?

Ever think that maybe the people they were separated from, and never reunited with weren’t actually their parents?

Probably some were that way.  I would bet most of them weren't, though.

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Ever think that maybe the people they were separated from, and never reunited with weren’t actually their parents?

Probably some were that way.  I would bet most of them weren't, though.

Well, since this is the hot topic for you

According to figures released by the Department of Homeland Security, 3,881 children were separated from their families from 2017 to 2021. (We do not know how many under Obama as records were not kept) About 74% of those have been reunited with their families: 2,176 before the task force was created and 689 afterward.

But that still leaves nearly 1,000 children. Of those, 148 are in the reunification process. The department pledged to continue the work until all separated families that can be found have the opportunity to reunite with their children.

Minors, who could not be held in criminal custody with their parents, were transferred to the Department of Health and Human Services. They were then typically sent to live with a sponsor, often a relative or someone else with a connection to the family.

There appears by all three administrations (Obama, Trump, Biden) efforts to respect these children that were put in harms way by their parents. No administration is at fault, they did not decide to illegally enter another country. Link below...

https://apnews.com/article/biden-politic...3a6efcfa99

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Wrong.

Lol.

What is the reason to separate every kid?

Because they and the adults they are with jumped the border.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

What is the reason to separate every kid?

Because they and the adults they are with jumped the border.

So keep them in the same building while you figure out how to handle them.

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Did you guys notice that the "Obama separated kids and you didn't cry about it because you're just sheep manipulated by the media!" and the "Separating children sends a tough message thar deters these people!" arguments directly contradict each other?

I did.

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Because they and the adults they are with jumped the border.

So keep them in the same building while you figure out how to handle them.

Put little kids in jail with adults? Idk sounds pretty crazy mike

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Did you guys notice that the "Obama separated kids and you didn't cry about it because you're just sheep manipulated by the media!" and the "Separating children sends a tough message thar deters these people!" arguments directly contradict each other?

I did.

Two separate arguments. The first is your hypocrisy, the second no one is making.

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So keep them in the same building while you figure out how to handle them.

Put little kids in jail with adults? Idk sounds pretty crazy mike

He doesn't want that either. Until he decides tomorrow he does, then in a few days he'll say that isn't what he said.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Did you guys notice that the "Obama separated kids and you didn't cry about it because you're just sheep manipulated by the media!" and the "Separating children sends a tough message thar deters these people!" arguments directly contradict each other?

I did.

Two separate arguments. The first is your hypocrisy, the second no one is making.

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Put little kids in jail with adults? Idk sounds pretty crazy mike

He doesn't want that either. Until he decides tomorrow he does, then in a few days he'll say that isn't what he said.

People do make this argument.  Please see posts 437 and 442 in this thread.

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So keep them in the same building while you figure out how to handle them.

Put little kids in jail with adults? Idk sounds pretty crazy mike

Not literally in the same cell, moron. I said same building.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Two separate arguments. The first is your hypocrisy, the second no one is making.

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He doesn't want that either. Until he decides tomorrow he does, then in a few days he'll say that isn't what he said.

People do make this argument.  Please see posts 437 and 442 in this thread.

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Put little kids in jail with adults? Idk sounds pretty crazy mike

Not literally in the same cell, moron. I said same building.

Neither of those posts say what you say.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I would in general agree with Mikesez about the law treating innocent young children of adult law breakers a certain way, but quite frankly there are laws that US. citizen adults can break that will have their children taken away from them which usually have to do with neglect or child endangerment. I am ok with that when it happens. I am ok with foreign nationals being temporarily separated from their young children when they are caught coming here illegally. I'm not saying separate them as punishment, I'm saying I'm indifferent to whether they are separated or not and will let the border patrol handle it as they see fit without judgement. Young children running on their own through the desert or being carried here under cover of darkness to illegally hop a border is abusive to the child. Many of which are of the age where they know what they are doing is illegal and they shouldn't be doing it, but hey mom and/or pops says it's ok so we're doing it. Great example those parents are. I have to wonder how respectful of laws and boundaries those children will be when they grow up.

And then, what if they are successful in getting here undetected? Where are they staying? How are the parents earning money immediately to provide themselves shelter and food? It all seems very abusive to a young child that isn't capable of making their own decisions or taking care of themselves. Being separated at the border is very likely the least of their problems. This is before we even get to the potential national security threat, potential drug running and potential child trafficking arguments. Tears for the children are not warranted nor helpful to the situation. Focusing on reducing the incentive and/or ability to come here illegally are what is called for and needed.

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Not literally in the same cell, moron. I said same building.
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So we separate them from the adults ok I got it. Good plan

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Put little kids in jail with adults? Idk sounds pretty crazy mike

Not literally in the same cell, moron. I said same building.
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So we separate them from the adults ok I got it. Good plan
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Actually, the border patrol under Obama rented a warehouse and put up chain link fence enclosures and separated the kids by sex and age group. These were used temporarily because the Minors, who could not be held in criminal custody with their parents, were transferred to the Department of Health and Human Services. They were then typically sent to live with a sponsor, often a relative or someone else with a connection to the family.

Michele Obama later tried to incorrectly blame Trump for these facilities.  This was debunked later but the damage was done.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.