Mike became an angry little elf, huh?

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Mike became an angry little elf, huh?

He's been the same since Day 1.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I would in general agree with Mikesez about the law treating innocent young children of adult law breakers a certain way, but quite frankly there are laws that US. citizen adults can break that will have their children taken away from them which usually have to do with neglect or child endangerment.  I am ok with that when it happens.  I am ok with foreign nationals being temporarily separated from their young children when they are caught coming here illegally.  I'm not saying separate them as punishment, I'm saying I'm indifferent to whether they are separated or not and will let the border patrol handle it as they see fit without judgement.  Young children running on their own through the desert or being carried here under cover of darkness to illegally hop a border is abusive to the child.  Many of which are of the age where they know what they are doing is illegal and they shouldn't be doing it, but hey mom and/or pops says it's ok so we're doing it.  Great example those parents are.  I have to wonder how respectful of laws and boundaries those children will be when they grow up.

And then, what if they are successful in getting here undetected?  Where are they staying? How are the parents earning money immediately to provide themselves shelter and food?  It all seems very abusive to a young child that isn't capable of making their own decisions or taking care of themselves.  Being separated at the border is very likely the least of their problems.  This is before we even get to the potential national security threat, potential drug running and potential child trafficking arguments.  Tears for the children are not warranted nor helpful to the situation.  Focusing on reducing the incentive and/or ability to come here illegally are what is called for and needed.

What happens when everyday US citizens get taken to Jail for a Crime?  They get seperated from their children.  It happens literally Thousands of times a day in this country and he acts like it's some unique situation.  Half or more of the thousands of people in prison were single parents and guess what happened to them when they broke the law?  They lost custody of their kids!  I swear people have become brain dead and need a reason to cry. Mike maybe one of those blue blood liberals that cannot see common sense. I thought there might have been some hope but losing faith.

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The Trump administration did not keep the kids in the same building with the adults. That is the problem.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

People do make this argument.  Please see posts 437 and 442 in this thread.

Neither of those posts say what you say.

But they do.

...Letting the bad dudes know ahead of time that these coerced children will be separated from them when caught could help end the practice.  ...

Set examples of them and make them think twice before more repeat it.  ...  They suffer and think twice before they do that or tell their family to try to do it.  ... I bet those parents learned a lesson and will not return to their countries to tell their friends and family to try to hop the border again.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

The Trump administration did not keep the kids in the same building with the adults.  That is the problem.

That’s it Mike, just keep moving the goal post.

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

The Trump administration did not keep the kids in the same building with the adults.  That is the problem.

That’s it Mike, just keep moving the goal post.

You misunderstanding my point and me clarifying it is not moving the goal posts.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

That’s it Mike, just keep moving the goal post.

You misunderstanding my point and me clarifying it is not moving the goal posts.

You have been “clarifying” your points for years now.  I am not sure you remember what your original point was anymore.

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

You misunderstanding my point and me clarifying it is not moving the goal posts.

You have been “clarifying” your points for years now.  I am not sure you remember what your original point was anymore.

"I'm the smartest person here."

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

You misunderstanding my point and me clarifying it is not moving the goal posts.

You have been “clarifying” your points for years now.  I am not sure you remember what your original point was anymore.

I am sure of my point.

Obama separated a few children, and it was incidental to his policy.  

Trump separated thousands of children, and it was a point of emphasis of his policy.

Trump supporters deny this.  They make excuses.

But Trump supporters also say that Obama was weak on immigration and Trump was strong because Trump sent a message that we are separating kids, and Obama wasn't sending that message.

So we know the truth.

Kids were separated, sent to different cities, even when there were better options, and it was done to demonstrate cruelty.

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You have been “clarifying” your points for years now.  I am not sure you remember what your original point was anymore.

"I'm the smartest person here."

You and L2L are both smarter than me.  Bunnie probably is too.  I happen to know things you don't, but that's not important.  

The big difference is my ethics say "play by the rules you want your opponent to play by" while yours say "make sure you hit him hard first, then you won't have to care what rules he plays by.". My ethic is compatible with multi-party democracy.  Yours is not.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

You have been “clarifying” your points for years now.  I am not sure you remember what your original point was anymore.

I am sure of my point.

Obama separated a few children, and it was incidental to his policy.  

Trump separated thousands of children, and it was a point of emphasis of his policy.

Trump supporters deny this.  They make excuses.

But Trump supporters also say that Obama was weak on immigration and Trump was strong because Trump sent a message that we are separating kids, and Obama wasn't sending that message.

So we know the truth.

Kids were separated, sent to different cities, even when there were better options, and it was done to demonstrate cruelty.

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"I'm the smartest person here."

You and L2L are both smarter than me.  Bunnie probably is too.  I happen to know things you don't, but that's not important.  

The big difference is my ethics say "play by the rules you want your opponent to play by" while yours say "make sure you hit him hard first, then you won't have to care what rules he plays by.". My ethic is compatible with multi-party democracy.  Yours is not.

False modestly is another of your personality disorders.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

You have been “clarifying” your points for years now.  I am not sure you remember what your original point was anymore.

I am sure of my point.

Obama separated a few children, and it was incidental to his policy.  

Trump separated thousands of children, and it was a point of emphasis of his policy.

Trump supporters deny this.  They make excuses.

But Trump supporters also say that Obama was weak on immigration and Trump was strong because Trump sent a message that we are separating kids, and Obama wasn't sending that message.

So we know the truth.

Kids were separated, sent to different cities, even when there were better options, and it was done to demonstrate cruelty.

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"I'm the smartest person here."

You and L2L are both smarter than me.  Bunnie probably is too.  I happen to know things you don't, but that's not important.  

The big difference is my ethics say "play by the rules you want your opponent to play by" while yours say "make sure you hit him hard first, then you won't have to care what rules he plays by.". My ethic is compatible with multi-party democracy.  Yours is not.

You are welcome to your opinion and up to now everything has been cool. Discussions of opinions is how we work through issues. I do not agree you are the ultimate judge of the bold statement above. I am an independent. My family for years were active register democrats. About 5-10 years ago they left the party.  The reason was you were expected to follow the party line or were chastised much like you have been attempting here. Many of the discussions just run in  circles as there was no other truth but their truth. This is my main issue with the Democrats. I am not saying this as a negative but more an indication of how some things come across. I welcome alternative ideas, but those based on all the facts and situations.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

I am sure of my point.

Obama separated a few children, and it was incidental to his policy.  

Trump separated thousands of children, and it was a point of emphasis of his policy.

Trump supporters deny this.  They make excuses.

But Trump supporters also say that Obama was weak on immigration and Trump was strong because Trump sent a message that we are separating kids, and Obama wasn't sending that message.

So we know the truth.

Kids were separated, sent to different cities, even when there were better options, and it was done to demonstrate cruelty.

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You and L2L are both smarter than me.  Bunnie probably is too.  I happen to know things you don't, but that's not important.  

The big difference is my ethics say "play by the rules you want your opponent to play by" while yours say "make sure you hit him hard first, then you won't have to care what rules he plays by.". My ethic is compatible with multi-party democracy.  Yours is not.

You are welcome to your opinion and up to now everything has been cool. Discussions of opinions is how we work through issues. I do not agree you are the ultimate judge of the bold statement above. I am an independent. My family for years were active register democrats. About 5-10 years ago they left the party.  The reason was you were expected to follow the party line or were chastised much like you have been attempting here. Many of the discussions just run in  circles as there was no other truth but their truth. This is my main issue with the Democrats. I am not saying this as a negative but more an indication of how some things come across. I welcome alternative ideas, but those based on all the facts and situations.

I was only judging FSG with the comment about ethics.  I don't think it's true of you.  I don't think it's true of L2L either.

My parents are both lifelong Democrats. They've gotten harder to talk to about politics as the years go on. I also have a grandfather who has been a Republican since the 70s and loves Trump. It's gotten harder to talk to him about politics too. We all want to chastise each other.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Oh, my ethics are superior to yours as well. Unlike you I don't need a spinal Slinky to keep my feet under me while my position flaps in the prevailing breeze of public opinion.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Oh, my ethics are superior to yours as well. Unlike you I don't need a spinal Slinky to keep my feet under me while my position flaps in the prevailing breeze of public opinion.

Neither do mine.  I have some ideas that the polls say are unpopular, but I stuck with them.

I note that you don't deny that your political ethic is strength rather than rules.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Oh, my ethics are superior to yours as well. Unlike you I don't need a spinal Slinky to keep my feet under me while my position flaps in the prevailing breeze of public opinion.

Neither do mine.  I have some ideas that the polls say are unpopular, but I stuck with them.

I note that you don't deny that your political ethic is strength rather than rules.

So when did you stop beating your wife?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Neither do mine.  I have some ideas that the polls say are unpopular, but I stuck with them.

I note that you don't deny that your political ethic is strength rather than rules.

So when did you stop beating your wife?

"We can not spare this man, for he fights."

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

So when did you stop beating your wife?

"We can not spare this man, for he fights."

Easy Abe, you aren't what you think you are.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

"We can not spare this man, for he fights."

Easy Abe, you aren't what you think you are.

Again, may you get what you wish for, and quickly meet the stronger man in the melee.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Easy Abe, you aren't what you think you are.

Again, may you get what you wish for, and quickly meet the stronger man in the melee.

Again, you're an idiot. I don't WISH for this, I merely see that it is inevitable because of weaklings like you. Fools who think they can feed everyone else to the crocodile and he won't eat them too.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato