Here you go guys. I put this protocol under the classification - need to review. 

https://headlineusa.com/secret-service-t...ire-first/

Absolutely insane policy

Not a shocker. We are in the post- Micheal Brown / George Floyd era of law enforcement. They have to ensure that that long range rifle is actually loaded before they act with extreme force.

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The article says they don't want to end up shooting a guy who just had a telescope or a camera.
This is the wrong thing to focus on.  SS has to guard events in all types of environments.
They can not allow the President (or the candidate) to enter an area with any question mark or uncertain expression, and if an unknown suspicious guy is discovered, they just have to get the man (or woman) out of there and figure out if it's a gun or a camera later.

Kids can get drones at the store for less than $50 that could have been very useful here.  It's a wonder there weren't several in the air that could have spotted him and ID'd the gun minutes earlier.  That poor family that lost a father might have been spared.

Drone surveillance will probably become standard protocol after this incident.  Sometimes the simplest measures are the most easily overlooked. 

The article suggesting uncertainty over the possibility that it was just a telescope or camera is ridiculous.  The counter snipers were at a distance of maybe 400', looking through their own scopes and binoculars, in open daylight.  There's no way the weapon could have been mistaken for anything else.

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Prayers to Trump for a full recovery and the potential refocus on his campaign message bringing unity to the country, as all of us left-center Dems and right-center Republicans desire.

.... also, keep that heart pumping and your supporting impact on certain stocks rising (DJT & Crypto)

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The event was clearly a planned op that was ordered by the powers that be. To much opportunity existed to stop it. The punks access to the roof and the time allowed on the roof was clearly facilitated. He was allowed to send rounds at the target. The only [BLEEP] up in the plan was the punk choked the shot when the time came. They better hope they didn't leave the slightest of loose ends.

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Where will Mike get his news from with Morning Joe shut down this week?

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The event was clearly a planned op that was ordered by the powers that be. To much opportunity existed to stop it. The punks access to the roof and the time allowed on the roof was clearly facilitated. He was allowed to send rounds at the target. The only [BLEEP] up in the plan was the punk choked the shot when the time came. They better hope they didn't leave the slightest of loose ends.

"Clearly?"  Not really.  Possible?  Sort of.  

On the other hand, if a guy gets bullied constantly in high school, and you hand him an AR15, no good can come of that.

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Kids can get drones at the store for less than $50 that could have been very useful here.  It's a wonder there weren't several in the air that could have spotted him and ID'd the gun minutes earlier.  That poor family that lost a father might have been spared.

Drone surveillance will probably become standard protocol after this incident.  Sometimes the simplest measures are the most easily overlooked. 

The article suggesting uncertainty over the possibility that it was just a telescope or camera is ridiculous.  The counter snipers were at a distance of maybe 400', looking through their own scopes and binoculars, in open daylight.  There's no way the weapon could have been mistaken for anything else.

You keep missing the point.
If a rifle was identified or even suspected, Trump should have been hustled off the stage that very second.
That's obvious.
The "who should shoot first" thing is an ethical and legal dilemma, especially when the suspect is on separate private property. 
Running the protectee off stage as quickly as possible harms no one and presents no dilemma.

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https://twitter.com/BasedPaddy/status/18...0fniQ&s=19

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The event was clearly a planned op that was ordered by the powers that be. To much opportunity existed to stop it. The punks access to the roof and the time allowed on the roof was clearly facilitated. He was allowed to send rounds at the target. The only [BLEEP] up in the plan was the punk choked the shot when the time came. They better hope they didn't leave the slightest of loose ends.

"Clearly?"  Not really.  Possible?  Sort of.  

On the other hand, if a guy gets bullied constantly in high school, and you hand him an AR15, no good can come of that.

Well maybe the CIA shouldn't have handed him a rifle then?

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Where will Mike get his news from with Morning Joe shut down this week?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Drone surveillance will probably become standard protocol after this incident.  Sometimes the simplest measures are the most easily overlooked. 

The article suggesting uncertainty over the possibility that it was just a telescope or camera is ridiculous.  The counter snipers were at a distance of maybe 400', looking through their own scopes and binoculars, in open daylight.  There's no way the weapon could have been mistaken for anything else.

You keep missing the point.
If a rifle was identified or even suspected, Trump should have been hustled off the stage that very second.
That's obvious.
The "who should shoot first" thing is an ethical and legal dilemma, especially when the suspect is on separate private property. 
Running the protectee off stage as quickly as possible harms no one and presents no dilemma.

Possibly your least knowledgeable comment of all time, and I do not say that lightly.

You've obviously never fired a gun in your life.  How long do you think it took the bullet to travel 400' and what do you think the gunman's reaction would have been?

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

You keep missing the point.
If a rifle was identified or even suspected, Trump should have been hustled off the stage that very second.
That's obvious.
The "who should shoot first" thing is an ethical and legal dilemma, especially when the suspect is on separate private property. 
Running the protectee off stage as quickly as possible harms no one and presents no dilemma.

Possibly your least knowledgeable comment of all time, and I do not say that lightly.

You've obviously never fired a gun in your life.  How long do you think it took the bullet to travel 400' and what do you think the gunman's reaction would have been?

He's actually almost kind of right in this case. It's clear that the threat was identified so they should've jumped on Trump and hustled him off stage AS they took down the shooter. He and Marty just can't make the connection in their minds as to why that didn't happen, why the principle was left out there in the wind for 30 seconds while the gunman took potshots at him from what should've been a restricted perch with a clear sightline. Everything about this says that the gunman was enabled to get those shots off, and only because of luck, fate, God, or whatever else reason he missed by 2 inches. I give the Deep State an A for effort and F for execution on this one.

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https://twitter.com/NickJFuentes/status/...ScEZw&s=19

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https://x.com/BasedPaddy/status/18128222...0fniQ&s=19

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Un-[BLEEP]-believable

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Possibly your least knowledgeable comment of all time, and I do not say that lightly.

You've obviously never fired a gun in your life.  How long do you think it took the bullet to travel 400' and what do you think the gunman's reaction would have been?

He's actually almost kind of right in this case. It's clear that the threat was identified so they should've jumped on Trump and hustled him off stage AS they took down the shooter. He and Marty just can't make the connection in their minds as to why that didn't happen, why the principle was left out there in the wind for 30 seconds while the gunman took potshots at him from what should've been a restricted perch with a clear sightline. Everything about this says that the gunman was enabled to get those shots off, and only because of luck, fate, God, or whatever else reason he missed by 2 inches. I give the Deep State an A for effort and F for execution on this one.

How Federal Government of them.

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That’s wild. The only thing missing is the grassy knoll.

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You keep missing the point.
If a rifle was identified or even suspected, Trump should have been hustled off the stage that very second.
That's obvious.
The "who should shoot first" thing is an ethical and legal dilemma, especially when the suspect is on separate private property. 
Running the protectee off stage as quickly as possible harms no one and presents no dilemma.

Possibly your least knowledgeable comment of all time, and I do not say that lightly.

You've obviously never fired a gun in your life.  How long do you think it took the bullet to travel 400' and what do you think the gunman's reaction would have been?

I have fired weapons many times, including automatic weapons. 

You're correct that bullets move faster than people, but the secret service literally and proudly says their job is to take bullets for the President or whomever they are protecting.  They needed their bodies in the way the very moment any of them though something was wrong.  I'm not saying they could have 100% prevented the shooter from striking Trump, but I am saying this is 100% one of the things they should have done.

Your bravado and confidence are completely misplaced and make me worry about you and people like you.

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Possibly your least knowledgeable comment of all time, and I do not say that lightly.

You've obviously never fired a gun in your life.  How long do you think it took the bullet to travel 400' and what do you think the gunman's reaction would have been?

He's actually almost kind of right in this case. It's clear that the threat was identified so they should've jumped on Trump and hustled him off stage AS they took down the shooter. He and Marty just can't make the connection in their minds as to why that didn't happen, why the principle was left out there in the wind for 30 seconds while the gunman took potshots at him from what should've been a restricted perch with a clear sightline. Everything about this says that the gunman was enabled to get those shots off, and only because of luck, fate, God, or whatever else reason he missed by 2 inches. I give the Deep State an A for effort and F for execution on this one.

I actually think you might be right.  There has to be more investigation of course, but this many levels of "mistakes" is suspicious to say the least.

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Possibly your least knowledgeable comment of all time, and I do not say that lightly.

You've obviously never fired a gun in your life.  How long do you think it took the bullet to travel 400' and what do you think the gunman's reaction would have been?

I have fired weapons many times, including automatic weapons. 

You're correct that bullets move faster than people, but the secret service literally and proudly says their job is to take bullets for the President or whomever they are protecting.  They needed their bodies in the way the very moment any of them though something was wrong.  I'm not saying they could have 100% prevented the shooter from striking Trump, but I am saying this is 100% one of the things they should have done.

Your bravado and confidence are completely misplaced and make me worry about you and people like you.

Do you believe that a human shield would've prevented Trump from being killed if the bullet was 2 inches left?

Second question now that I think about it. Had Trump been killed who in the federal government is taking the fall for it?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I have fired weapons many times, including automatic weapons. 

You're correct that bullets move faster than people, but the secret service literally and proudly says their job is to take bullets for the President or whomever they are protecting.  They needed their bodies in the way the very moment any of them though something was wrong.  I'm not saying they could have 100% prevented the shooter from striking Trump, but I am saying this is 100% one of the things they should have done.

Your bravado and confidence are completely misplaced and make me worry about you and people like you.

Do you believe that a human shield would've prevented Trump from being killed if the bullet was 2 inches left?

Depends when the human starts running and shouting and when Trump notices the human running and ducks down.
If the trigger is already pulled at that point, no.
If the gunman hadn't yet committed to shooting, probably yes.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Drone surveillance will probably become standard protocol after this incident.  Sometimes the simplest measures are the most easily overlooked. 

The article suggesting uncertainty over the possibility that it was just a telescope or camera is ridiculous.  The counter snipers were at a distance of maybe 400', looking through their own scopes and binoculars, in open daylight.  There's no way the weapon could have been mistaken for anything else.

You keep missing the point.
If a rifle was identified or even suspected, Trump should have been hustled off the stage that very second.
That's obvious.
The "who should shoot first" thing is an ethical and legal dilemma, especially when the suspect is on separate private property. 
Running the protectee off stage as quickly as possible harms no one and presents no dilemma.

Agreed on Trump being hustled off the stage. Completely disagree with the "Who should shoot first" and "ethical" and "legal" dilemma. He was 130 yards away with a clear and clean vantage point. With his rifle facing towards the stage, directly aimed at his target (Trump). 

Not behind the stage, not elevated to the left or right wing of the stage with his scope and barrel facing outward and away from the stage. You can try and slice and dice this nonsense up anyway you want to. 

It's a bad SOP, the whole idea of actually allowing someone to [BLEEP] point a gun at you and then proceed to shoot FIRST, and then have your team react AFTER? That is [BLEEP] wild. There is no practical application for that. 

Our law enforcement does not behave this way. Clearly, as the defund movement made it their mission in life to probably create dumb [BLEEP] SOP's just like this SOP that could have potentially had Trump killed yesterday. 

Bottomline is this, if you look suspicious, and, you have a gun CLEARLY [BLEEP] aiming at a high profile target? I am going to shoot you first and deal with all the other nonsense later that comes with that. The amount of technical [BLEEP] that people are trying to point out with this is mind numbing. 

Again, as I asked earlier in this thread. Property or not. Somebody waves or aims a gun at you? Are you going to assume there's a Gentleman's Agreement in the air between yourself and this shooter? Or, if you have the means? Are you going to defend yourself first? 

It's just illogical to think otherwise. Again, ZERO practical sense there.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Possibly your least knowledgeable comment of all time, and I do not say that lightly.

You've obviously never fired a gun in your life.  How long do you think it took the bullet to travel 400' and what do you think the gunman's reaction would have been?

I have fired weapons many times, including automatic weapons. 

You're correct that bullets move faster than people, but the secret service literally and proudly says their job is to take bullets for the President or whomever they are protecting.  They needed their bodies in the way the very moment any of them though something was wrong.  I'm not saying they could have 100% prevented the shooter from striking Trump, but I am saying this is 100% one of the things they should have done.

Your bravado and confidence are completely misplaced and make me worry about you and people like you.

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He's actually almost kind of right in this case. It's clear that the threat was identified so they should've jumped on Trump and hustled him off stage AS they took down the shooter. He and Marty just can't make the connection in their minds as to why that didn't happen, why the principle was left out there in the wind for 30 seconds while the gunman took potshots at him from what should've been a restricted perch with a clear sightline. Everything about this says that the gunman was enabled to get those shots off, and only because of luck, fate, God, or whatever else reason he missed by 2 inches. I give the Deep State an A for effort and F for execution on this one.

I actually think you might be right.  There has to be more investigation of course, but this many levels of "mistakes" is suspicious to say the least.

They 1,000 [BLEEP] percent could have prevented Trump from being struck on Saturday. 1,000 [BLEEP] percent.

Due to [BLEEP] SOP's and all the damn time in the world, which you can see where I shared just how many people pointed out what was going on, how long he had up there to make that shot? They could have prevented this in more than one way. 

Period. It was a failed coup. The kid choked his shot in conjunction with Trump's usual mannerisms probably saving his life.

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