It's fitting that the two people who think they're the only ones smart enough to catch Trump in his lies just happen to be the two people who don't get hyperbole without someone explaining it to them.

You guys will never be informed because you lack common sense.

I have enough common sense to realize and understand that yours, or anybody's (no matter the side) favorite politician doesn't give two [BLEEP] about you and never will. No matter how much you think he/she actually does.

They are professional liars.

Wake the [BLEEP] up dude.

Oh, so you've clearly never read my posts. Got it. Continue to argue with your caricature of me.

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I don't know much about JD Vance, but I do know that he has a very good looking wife.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

I couldn't agree more. What's the purpose of throwing nasty insults at others just because they disagree with your political ideologies ? You actually have much in common with those you appear to detest including a passion about politics and a love of the Jacksonville Jaguars (except for the few trolls out there). 

While I agree with your opinion about politicians, I do believe some may have started out with the genuine intent to make things better in their communities. Unfortunately, the power they have grown accustomed to leads to corruption. They are willing to surrender their integrity in order to remain in power due to the advantages (attention, financial, etc) which their political position offers them.  And yes, both parties are equally guilty of this.

This is true. Another factor, which all politicians encounter, is once elected they become cogs in the party political machine. The altruism they ran on becomes watered down or replaced by the dictates of the party. It isn’t long before they’re compromising their beliefs in order to get along to advance in the machine. This is especially true in DC.

A movie made 90 years ago explores party politics and corruption and is as applicable today as it was then: Mr. Smith Goes to Washington starring James Stewart. It’s worthy of a watch.

Party machines are basically dead these days.  They have very little money or influence.
Each candidate is more or less on their own when they start out. Guys like McConnell and Rick Scott are trying to  build PACs that might play the role the party used to play but they haven't gotten there yet.  So each candidate has to spend a lot more time than they used to finding their own set of donors.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I don't know much about JD Vance, but I do know that he has a very good looking wife.

The republican ticket has the good looking wives advantage covered. My first love was an indian chick, so I know.

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I don't know much about JD Vance, but I do know that he has a very good looking wife.

The republican ticket has the good looking wives advantage covered. My first love was an indian chick, so I know.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I couldn't agree more. What's the purpose of throwing nasty insults at others just because they disagree with your political ideologies ? You actually have much in common with those you appear to detest including a passion about politics and a love of the Jacksonville Jaguars (except for the few trolls out there). 

While I agree with your opinion about politicians, I do believe some may have started out with the genuine intent to make things better in their communities. Unfortunately, the power they have grown accustomed to leads to corruption. They are willing to surrender their integrity in order to remain in power due to the advantages (attention, financial, etc) which their political position offers them.  And yes, both parties are equally guilty of this.

This is true. Another factor, which all politicians encounter, is once elected they become cogs in the party political machine. The altruism they ran on becomes watered down or replaced by the dictates of the party. It isn’t long before they’re compromising their beliefs in order to get along to advance in the machine. This is especially true in DC.

A movie made 90 years ago explores party politics and corruption and is as applicable today as it was then: Mr. Smith Goes to Washington starring James Stewart. It’s worthy of a watch.

Sweet Jesus on toast. I had to look that movie up because I thought you were making up how old it was. It really is damn near 90 years old.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Vance's clean shaven face from several years ago elicits an urge to punch reflex in me. I'm glad he decided to go with the beard.

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I couldn't agree more. What's the purpose of throwing nasty insults at others just because they disagree with your political ideologies ? You actually have much in common with those you appear to detest including a passion about politics and a love of the Jacksonville Jaguars (except for the few trolls out there). 

While I agree with your opinion about politicians, I do believe some may have started out with the genuine intent to make things better in their communities. Unfortunately, the power they have grown accustomed to leads to corruption. They are willing to surrender their integrity in order to remain in power due to the advantages (attention, financial, etc) which their political position offers them.  And yes, both parties are equally guilty of this.

This is true. Another factor, which all politicians encounter, is once elected they become cogs in the party political machine. The altruism they ran on becomes watered down or replaced by the dictates of the party. It isn’t long before they’re compromising their beliefs in order to get along to advance in the machine. This is especially true in DC.

A movie made 90 years ago explores party politics and corruption and is as applicable today as it was then: Mr. Smith Goes to Washington starring James Stewart. It’s worthy of a watch.

Yes, that was a very good movie. James Stewart is one of my favorite old-time actors. He could also be very funny as evidenced by some of his visits to the Johnny Carson show.

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Already calling for War with Iran.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Solid assassination insurance pick. Vivek would have been a lot of fun though.

I like Vivek and hope he runs again.  I would of gave him my vote this election if he would of ran.

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https://youtu.be/5guA6rXC6HI?si=ZzCEszowNe4KR60_

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I have enough common sense to realize and understand that yours, or anybody's (no matter the side) favorite politician doesn't give two [BLEEP] about you and never will. No matter how much you think he/she actually does.

They are professional liars.

Wake the [BLEEP] up dude.

Oh, so you've clearly never read my posts. Got it. Continue to argue with your caricature of me.

If you're talking about your posts here in this section? You would be correct. Mainly because I very rarely come into this section of the board because it's a cesspool of ignorance and bull [BLEEP].

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Oh, so you've clearly never read my posts. Got it. Continue to argue with your caricature of me.

If you're talking about your posts here in this section? You would be correct. Mainly because I very rarely come into this section of the board because it's a cesspool of ignorance and bull [BLEEP].

Dude, you're talking [BLEEP] to the wrong guy. L2L is hardly as you describe him. Others sure, not him. If you're going to talk [BLEEP] at least know what you're talking about. 

Most of us know politicians don't give a rat's [BLEEP] about us, but we all have a vested interest in their policies because they affect us. Some are emotionally vested, caring about personality defects more than policies. The rest of us live in the real world knowing we don't have to like a politician to appreciate their policies. 

Plus, it's the off-season are people are bored so they come here to shadowbox each other.

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If you're talking about your posts here in this section? You would be correct. Mainly because I very rarely come into this section of the board because it's a cesspool of ignorance and bull [BLEEP].

Dude, you're talking [BLEEP] to the wrong guy. L2L is hardly as you describe him. Others sure, not him. If you're going to talk [BLEEP] at least know what you're talking about. 

Most of us know politicians don't give a rat's [BLEEP] about us, but we all have a vested interest in their policies because they affect us. Some are emotionally vested, caring about personality defects more than policies. The rest of us live in the real world knowing we don't have to like a politician to appreciate their policies. 

Plus, it's the off-season are people are bored so they come here to shadowbox each other.

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If you're talking about your posts here in this section? You would be correct. Mainly because I very rarely come into this section of the board because it's a cesspool of ignorance and bull [BLEEP].

Dude, you're talking [BLEEP] to the wrong guy. L2L is hardly as you describe him. Others sure, not him. If you're going to talk [BLEEP] at least know what you're talking about. 

Most of us know politicians don't give a rat's [BLEEP] about us, but we all have a vested interest in their policies because they affect us. Some are emotionally vested, caring about personality defects more than policies. The rest of us live in the real world knowing we don't have to like a politician to appreciate their policies. 

Plus, it's the off-season are people are bored so they come here to shadowbox each other.

I'm not talking [BLEEP] to him, he's the one who came at me with some dumb assumption because he got triggered for whatever reason at the truth.

I'm telling you all the truth of the matter. You all are brain washed when it comes to politics. Both sides.

All of their policies are bull [BLEEP] and non sense. They're lying to you. Your favorite news/media channel is lying to you. Anything politic related is lying to you and meant to divide us. It's all bull [BLEEP].

To be so emotionally invested into something so corrupt is the problem, yet you guys eat that [BLEEP] up. It's pathetic.

The powers at be do whatever the [BLEEP] they want and will continue to do it no matter what you sheep believe, that's what they want. They control this country and will continue to control it because they can and you sheep blindly follow/allow them to. Again, it doesn't matter what side you blindly follow.

It's literally proven every single election year. Fake ballots, false voting etc. blah blah blah. They know it and the powers at be eat that [BLEEP] up. They're laughing at you while they're cashing in.

I work every day, pay taxes and live a normal life. Does that mean I'm not living in the real world? Or is it because I don't suck the dick of corrupt scumbag politicians, that I'm not living in the real world?

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Dude, you're talking [BLEEP] to the wrong guy. L2L is hardly as you describe him. Others sure, not him. If you're going to talk [BLEEP] at least know what you're talking about. 

Most of us know politicians don't give a rat's [BLEEP] about us, but we all have a vested interest in their policies because they affect us. Some are emotionally vested, caring about personality defects more than policies. The rest of us live in the real world knowing we don't have to like a politician to appreciate their policies. 

Plus, it's the off-season are people are bored so they come here to shadowbox each other.

I'm not talking [BLEEP] to him, he's the one who came at me with some dumb assumption because he got triggered for whatever reason at the truth.

I'm telling you all the truth of the matter. You all are brain washed when it comes to politics. Both sides.

All of their policies are bull [BLEEP] and non sense. They're lying to you. Your favorite news/media channel is lying to you. Anything politic related is lying to you and meant to divide us. It's all bull [BLEEP].

To be so emotionally invested into something so corrupt is the problem, yet you guys eat that [BLEEP] up. It's pathetic.

The powers at be do whatever the [BLEEP] they want and will continue to do it no matter what you sheep believe, that's what they want. They control this country and will continue to control it because they can and you sheep blindly follow/allow them to. Again, it doesn't matter what side you blindly follow.

It's literally proven every single election year. Fake ballots, false voting etc. blah blah blah. They know it and the powers at be eat that [BLEEP] up. They're laughing at you while they're cashing in.

I work every day, pay taxes and live a normal life. Does that mean I'm not living in the real world? Or is it because I don't suck the dick of corrupt scumbag politicians, that I'm not living in the real world?

Is there a better system?

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Dude, you're talking [BLEEP] to the wrong guy. L2L is hardly as you describe him. Others sure, not him. If you're going to talk [BLEEP] at least know what you're talking about. 

Most of us know politicians don't give a rat's [BLEEP] about us, but we all have a vested interest in their policies because they affect us. Some are emotionally vested, caring about personality defects more than policies. The rest of us live in the real world knowing we don't have to like a politician to appreciate their policies. 

Plus, it's the off-season are people are bored so they come here to shadowbox each other.

I'm not talking [BLEEP] to him, he's the one who came at me with some dumb assumption because he got triggered for whatever reason at the truth.

I'm telling you all the truth of the matter. You all are brain washed when it comes to politics. Both sides.

All of their policies are bull [BLEEP] and non sense. They're lying to you. Your favorite news/media channel is lying to you. Anything politic related is lying to you and meant to divide us. It's all bull [BLEEP].

To be so emotionally invested into something so corrupt is the problem, yet you guys eat that [BLEEP] up. It's pathetic.

The powers at be do whatever the [BLEEP] they want and will continue to do it no matter what you sheep believe, that's what they want. They control this country and will continue to control it because they can and you sheep blindly follow/allow them to. Again, it doesn't matter what side you blindly follow.

It's literally proven every single election year. Fake ballots, false voting etc. blah blah blah. They know it and the powers at be eat that [BLEEP] up. They're laughing at you while they're cashing in.

I work every day, pay taxes and live a normal life. Does that mean I'm not living in the real world? Or is it because I don't suck the dick of corrupt scumbag politicians, that I'm not living in the real world?

Sounds like you're just as emotionally invested as the one's you throw stones at.

Listen, I get it. The way you feel is how I mostly felt and still feel to an extent about the whole system.

I just have to try. I know it probably has the same effect as throwing a penny in a fountain at your favorite mall when you were growing up, but, we all need something to believe in.

However, the more I see. The less I believe. Even if Trump is the real deal, or, some high scale, new age, deepstate psy-op being fed to the people for whatever means to an end?

I just feel like I need to try. After him? I don't know what to think or feel anymore. Nor who to trust. That alone is hard enough as it is.

I just fear for my four year old son's future. I worry about the social experiments that have been happening. I worry about my $80K salary not being good enough barely in this economy to keep up with raising a family and rising inflation.

Something has to give. If I vote? And I am wrong? So be it. I'll eat my crow and [BLEEP] on him every chance I get. It is what it is.

I'll see you in the Jaguars thread on gameday's man.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

To me, he owned it, wised up and moved on..

https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1812...a3w9w&s=19

Some posters are more spineless than others.  I suppose the same applies to Nikki Haley as well....

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I'm not talking [BLEEP] to him, he's the one who came at me with some dumb assumption because he got triggered for whatever reason at the truth.

I'm telling you all the truth of the matter. You all are brain washed when it comes to politics. Both sides.

All of their policies are bull [BLEEP] and non sense. They're lying to you. Your favorite news/media channel is lying to you. Anything politic related is lying to you and meant to divide us. It's all bull [BLEEP].

To be so emotionally invested into something so corrupt is the problem, yet you guys eat that [BLEEP] up. It's pathetic.

The powers at be do whatever the [BLEEP] they want and will continue to do it no matter what you sheep believe, that's what they want. They control this country and will continue to control it because they can and you sheep blindly follow/allow them to. Again, it doesn't matter what side you blindly follow.

It's literally proven every single election year. Fake ballots, false voting etc. blah blah blah. They know it and the powers at be eat that [BLEEP] up. They're laughing at you while they're cashing in.

I work every day, pay taxes and live a normal life. Does that mean I'm not living in the real world? Or is it because I don't suck the dick of corrupt scumbag politicians, that I'm not living in the real world?

Is there a better system?

The system can be improved in some ways, but not in ways that fix most of the problems Eric1 describes.

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Dude, you're talking [BLEEP] to the wrong guy. L2L is hardly as you describe him. Others sure, not him. If you're going to talk [BLEEP] at least know what you're talking about. 

Most of us know politicians don't give a rat's [BLEEP] about us, but we all have a vested interest in their policies because they affect us. Some are emotionally vested, caring about personality defects more than policies. The rest of us live in the real world knowing we don't have to like a politician to appreciate their policies. 

Plus, it's the off-season are people are bored so they come here to shadowbox each other.

I'm not talking [BLEEP] to him, he's the one who came at me with some dumb assumption because he got triggered for whatever reason at the truth.

I'm telling you all the truth of the matter. You all are brain washed when it comes to politics. Both sides.

All of their policies are bull [BLEEP] and non sense. They're lying to you. Your favorite news/media channel is lying to you. Anything politic related is lying to you and meant to divide us. It's all bull [BLEEP].

To be so emotionally invested into something so corrupt is the problem, yet you guys eat that [BLEEP] up. It's pathetic.

The powers at be do whatever the [BLEEP] they want and will continue to do it no matter what you sheep believe, that's what they want. They control this country and will continue to control it because they can and you sheep blindly follow/allow them to. Again, it doesn't matter what side you blindly follow.

It's literally proven every single election year. Fake ballots, false voting etc. blah blah blah. They know it and the powers at be eat that [BLEEP] up. They're laughing at you while they're cashing in.

I work every day, pay taxes and live a normal life. Does that mean I'm not living in the real world? Or is it because I don't suck the dick of corrupt scumbag politicians, that I'm not living in the real world?

I am totally with you except for the bolded.
Yes there are elites out there just doing whatever they want no matter who we elect.  
However, the people we elect are actually accountable to us and our elections are real.  
If it were not so we would quickly become like Russia.  They guy in power would punish people who say things against him on TV and such.
This is why I am so zealous to maintain faith in our elections.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Dude, you're talking [BLEEP] to the wrong guy. L2L is hardly as you describe him. Others sure, not him. If you're going to talk [BLEEP] at least know what you're talking about. 

Most of us know politicians don't give a rat's [BLEEP] about us, but we all have a vested interest in their policies because they affect us. Some are emotionally vested, caring about personality defects more than policies. The rest of us live in the real world knowing we don't have to like a politician to appreciate their policies. 

Plus, it's the off-season are people are bored so they come here to shadowbox each other.

I'm not talking [BLEEP] to him, he's the one who came at me with some dumb assumption because he got triggered for whatever reason at the truth.

I'm telling you all the truth of the matter. You all are brain washed when it comes to politics. Both sides.

All of their policies are bull [BLEEP] and non sense. They're lying to you. Your favorite news/media channel is lying to you. Anything politic related is lying to you and meant to divide us. It's all bull [BLEEP].

To be so emotionally invested into something so corrupt is the problem, yet you guys eat that [BLEEP] up. It's pathetic.

The powers at be do whatever the [BLEEP] they want and will continue to do it no matter what you sheep believe, that's what they want. They control this country and will continue to control it because they can and you sheep blindly follow/allow them to. Again, it doesn't matter what side you blindly follow.

It's literally proven every single election year. Fake ballots, false voting etc. blah blah blah. They know it and the powers at be eat that [BLEEP] up. They're laughing at you while they're cashing in.

I work every day, pay taxes and live a normal life. Does that mean I'm not living in the real world? Or is it because I don't suck the dick of corrupt scumbag politicians, that I'm not living in the real world?

Eric stop.  You darn well know that most of us that frequent this section know how corrupt the system is and lament on it daily.  Very few are shills for either party so get off your high horse and take a xanex.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.