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(07-22-2024, 11:11 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Loomer hearing Joe is terminal and will resign soon.

(07-22-2024, 11:09 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: You forget- image is everything.   Harris is much younger than Trump, she is black, she is female, and she can be packaged into an attractive candidate.  She may reek of incompetence to you, but you are not the average voter.  The average voter was saying they didn't want Biden or Trump.  Now they have someone else.  We'll see.  I think she has a decent chance.

Can you explain her dismal primary and polling so low she didn't even make the ballot?

No.  But she's going to be the nominee, and they will package her up, and she has a chance, because most people don't want Trump.  Trump was benefitting because most people didn't want Biden either.   I'm telling you, image is everything.  The Democrats will get behind her, she will have people writing speeches for her, she will have professionals doing her ads, and she has a chance.  Because she's not Trump and she's not Biden.  Most people wanted someone else, and here she is.
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(07-22-2024, 11:09 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(07-22-2024, 10:35 AM)Caldrac Wrote: The only candidate I think that stands a chance to oust Trump is Michelle Obama. That's if her husband puts her up to it. I really don't think Kamala get's much in the voting booth. She's another one that talks in circles or makes no sense and her political career is riddled with just as much hypocrisy as Biden's. She's said a lot of goofy [BLEEP] publicly.

They all have. Even Trump. At least with Trump though we know what we can expect somewhat for the next four years, whereas, Kamala just reeks off incompetence. I feel bad for women this country. I have yet to see any strong candidates worthy of voting for. Hillary was garbage. Palin was a walking gag at one point. Kamala is meh, and Obama is a wildcard.

Don't trust that family though.

You forget- image is everything.   Harris is much younger than Trump, she is black, she is female, and she can be packaged into an attractive candidate.  She may reek of incompetence to you, but you are not the average voter.  The average voter was saying they didn't want Biden or Trump.  Now they have someone else.  We'll see.  I think she has a decent chance.

Then why was Harris polling lower than Biden against Trump head to head?
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(07-22-2024, 11:17 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(07-22-2024, 11:11 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Loomer hearing Joe is terminal and will resign soon.


Can you explain her dismal primary and polling so low she didn't even make the ballot?

No.  But she's going to be the nominee, and they will package her up, and she has a chance, because most people don't want Trump.  Trump was benefitting because most people didn't want Biden either.   I'm telling you, image is everything.  The Democrats will get behind her, she will have people writing speeches for her, she will have professionals doing her ads, and she has a chance.  Because she's not Trump and she's not Biden.  Most people wanted someone else, and here she is.

I believe you are underestimating the impact of a survived assassination attempt in a candidates electability.  I think you are living in a fantasy world in your perceivement of Harris as a viable candidate.
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(07-22-2024, 11:18 AM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote:
(07-22-2024, 11:09 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: You forget- image is everything.   Harris is much younger than Trump, she is black, she is female, and she can be packaged into an attractive candidate.  She may reek of incompetence to you, but you are not the average voter.  The average voter was saying they didn't want Biden or Trump.  Now they have someone else.  We'll see.  I think she has a decent chance.

Then why was Harris polling lower than Biden against Trump head to head?

Actually, in the polls I saw, she was running slightly better than Biden.  And if you believe those polls, she was within the margin of error against Trump.  

I'm not saying she's going to win.  I'm saying she definitely has a chance, if the Democrats play this right.
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(07-22-2024, 11:18 AM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote:
(07-22-2024, 11:09 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: You forget- image is everything.   Harris is much younger than Trump, she is black, she is female, and she can be packaged into an attractive candidate.  She may reek of incompetence to you, but you are not the average voter.  The average voter was saying they didn't want Biden or Trump.  Now they have someone else.  We'll see.  I think she has a decent chance.

Then why was Harris polling lower than Biden against Trump head to head?

Because she wasn't the candidate. Duh! (Liberal logic)
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(07-22-2024, 10:24 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:
(07-22-2024, 10:02 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: Biden dropped out.  

Lol about subverting the democratic process after what happened on January 6th.   Kind of like Charles Manson preaching about love and peace.

So, in your mind Harris alone would have gotten 14M votes and been the nominee in the primary or no?  The Democrat voters either chose their nominee or they didn't.  One is a democratic process, the other isn't regardless of how it transpired.

FWIW, I hope she's the nominee at this point.  She's tied to the record of the past 4 years and to listen to her speak will probably push those on the fence toward Trump.

Biden/Harris was the only name on the ticket.  I could have gotten 14m votes if my name was the only name on the ticket.  I'm stating 31m no-shows speaks higher volume.  If the Dems are upset about the process, they can vote Trump or simply not vote.   Personally, I'd prefer Joe Manchin but I think it's only right to nominate Kamala as the candidate.  If the Dems lose or even if they win, perhaps I'll get Manchin in 2028 via a true Primary which is fine with me.

To be honest, I'm not afraid of a Trump victory ..... I WAS fearing a Biden victory as of late so I'm ok with the options as currently anticipated (Trump vs Harris)
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(07-22-2024, 11:17 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(07-22-2024, 11:11 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Loomer hearing Joe is terminal and will resign soon.


Can you explain her dismal primary and polling so low she didn't even make the ballot?

No.  But she's going to be the nominee, and they will package her up, and she has a chance, because most people don't want Trump.  Trump was benefitting because most people didn't want Biden either.   I'm telling you, image is everything.  The Democrats will get behind her, she will have people writing speeches for her, she will have professionals doing her ads, and she has a chance.  Because she's not Trump and she's not Biden.  Most people wanted someone else, and here she is.
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(07-22-2024, 11:18 AM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote:
(07-22-2024, 11:09 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: You forget- image is everything.   Harris is much younger than Trump, she is black, she is female, and she can be packaged into an attractive candidate.  She may reek of incompetence to you, but you are not the average voter.  The average voter was saying they didn't want Biden or Trump.  Now they have someone else.  We'll see.  I think she has a decent chance.

Then why was Harris polling lower than Biden against Trump head to head?

Perhaps the same reason Polls showed Hilary easily beating Trump.

The polls I'm seeing today tightens the race tremendously with Harris as the candidate.
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(07-22-2024, 11:43 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: https://twitter.com/robertkennedyjr/stat...DLxwjCos5Q

I wonder what "Democratic Party principles" he thinks the Democrats abandoned that he would adopt as his own if he were elected?
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(07-22-2024, 12:05 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(07-22-2024, 11:43 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: https://twitter.com/robertkennedyjr/stat...DLxwjCos5Q

I wonder what "Democratic Party principles" he thinks the Democrats abandoned that he would adopt as his own if he were elected?

According to him, they changed 60 different rules during the primaries to basically shut them all down to ram Biden through as the nominee.  He specifically mentioned how they changed the rules in NH that said if any other D. candidate campaigns in NH all of their delegates would automatically go to the president.  This, amongst shutting down several other primaries.
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(07-22-2024, 12:05 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(07-22-2024, 11:43 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: https://twitter.com/robertkennedyjr/stat...DLxwjCos5Q

I wonder what "Democratic Party principles" he thinks the Democrats abandoned that he would adopt as his own if he were elected?

RFKJ will say anything that makes him sound good because he will never be put in a position to be held accountable for what he says. It's the easiest position to be in.
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(07-22-2024, 08:11 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(07-22-2024, 12:56 AM)p_rushing Wrote: There's not a conspiracy. Read the Natural Law, I think that's what it is called, for the definition at the time and in article 2.  Then the 14th amendment says citizen, it does not say Natural born citizen. There is 1 case that the ruling said someone born here was a natural citizen, there is another that says different. The 1st case was ruled incorrectly as the definition is clear. If the definition was to be changed from the original definition, it would have to be in an amendment.

Since there is no law or amendment from Congress, the Supreme Court would be left to decide the case per the original definition at the time. Now who knows what they decide but it would be up to them to decide it.

Obama was legal, if you believe the fake birth certificate (for whatever reason) and SS#.
Harris is or isn't depending on which definition is taken.

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See? There you go with that conspiracy [BLEEP] again. I don't like Barack Obama at all, but his mother is a citizen of the USA and therefore he is as well. Unless you believe that his mother was not in fact his mother then you are intentionally misrepresenting the man and our laws. English Common Law is repute with cases where any person born withing the "Ligeance" of the king is considered natural born, so yeah, the pre-USA precedence supports that as well. And quite frankly, it's a really bad look for certain elements to pull this crap out of the dust bin when the candidate just so happen to be black.

I never said Obama wasn't a citizen. His birth certificate is fake, it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt with the file provided having the layers still in it. He wasn't born in Hawaii or something else was covered up about the birth. If he wasn't born in Hawaii and his father wasn't a citizen, then he isn't a natural born citizen. The woman who supposedly provided the birth certificate was the only death in a plane crash that everyone survived but then she suddenly disappears underwater.

(07-22-2024, 11:11 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Loomer hearing Joe is terminal and will resign soon.

That's probably following what Frank Biden said.

I think they really tried to take both of them out on the same weekend. Biden delayed so it wasn't as obvious.


The signature on the letter doesn't match any past signature. Doesn't appear he signed and they didn't use an auto pen for some reason.

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(07-22-2024, 10:19 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(07-22-2024, 10:13 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: So long as Harris is the nominee, I won't complain about Democracy being subverted. She's the natural and rightful candidate as far as I'm concerned. However, if they nominate someone else at the DNC, you won't have a leg to stand on.

How is she the rightful candidate without a primary? She is only the rightful candidate if Biden resigns his presidency and she happens to be the sitting president. Nothing is rightful at this point.

Allow me to rephrase. So long as it's next man up, so-to-speak, it bothers me much less than hand selecting a candidate who is polling well enough to beat him. It comes across much less like a power play and more like a legitimate attempt to replace a doddering old man. Yes, he should have been primaried. Yes, this should have been made public much sooner. Yes, they are subverting the process to a degree. It just bothers me much less if it's the VP who gets the nod.
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Kind of a morbid thought here but with so many nut jobs on the far right and far left, and with so many hot topic issues out there (Gaza Strip, Ukraine, Abortion, Immigration, etc.), I really think the importance of selecting a qualified VP who could potentially serve as President is more important now that ever.
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(07-22-2024, 12:28 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: Kind of a morbid thought here but with so many nut jobs on the far right and far left, and with so many hot topic issues out there (Gaza Strip, Ukraine, Abortion, Immigration, etc.), I really think the importance of selecting a qualified VP who could potentially serve as President is more important now that ever.

Agreed. Feels inevitable.
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(07-22-2024, 12:28 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: Kind of a morbid thought here but with so many nut jobs on the far right and far left, and with so many hot topic issues out there (Gaza Strip, Ukraine, Abortion, Immigration, etc.), I really think the importance of selecting a qualified VP who could potentially serve as President is more important now that ever.

So we are clear, the majority of these nutjobs exist on your side. I can't let you normalize that across the board.

Will patiently await your response about J6.
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(07-22-2024, 12:27 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(07-22-2024, 10:19 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: How is she the rightful candidate without a primary? She is only the rightful candidate if Biden resigns his presidency and she happens to be the sitting president. Nothing is rightful at this point.

Allow me to rephrase. So long as it's next man up, so-to-speak, it bothers me much less than hand selecting a candidate who is polling well enough to beat him. It comes across much less like a power play and more like a legitimate attempt to replace a doddering old man. Yes, he should have been primaried. Yes, this should have been made public much sooner. Yes, they are subverting the process to a degree. It just bothers me much less if it's the VP who gets the nod.

It makes logical sense. Even if you don't like her. It's just the way of it. I would still vote third party though before I trust another Democrat in office. 

RFK Jr., Cornel West, Jill Stein & Chase Oliver > Kamala Harris.
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