It's fair to call him "average" but I just can't agree that his celing is "average at best". He made the playoffs his rookie year the one time he had an actual OC. NE was so devoid of talent and his development was so mangled I don't think he's even scratched the surface of his total abilities. I'd say his celing is Andy Dalton (which is to say above average and capable of winning some games but has some shortcomings and definitely isn't in that "elite" tier) and his floor is solid backup/journeyman.

His rookie year with the Pats was carried by a top 5 rushing attack and a top 5 Defense. That team literally won a game (against the Bills and not some scrub team) with Mac completing a grand total of 2 Passes throughout the entire game lol. One of which was in the final minutes.

He made the pro bowl his rookie season, and then Bill Belichick took a guy who had never coached offense in his life and made him the offensive coordinator, and he took another guy who never coached offense in his life and made him the quarterback coach.  That's what happened in New England.
They took a guy who made the pro bowl as a rookie quarterback, and when Josh McDaniels left, they replaced him with a couple of guys who never coached offense in their entire life.
They had a good quarterback, and they wrecked his career.  
But I'm looking at the guy now and he's a good quarterback for us.  Because he's getting some decent coaching.

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I guess Smith is done for the day. He looks like he might be a problem for offenses earlier than expected. It's great to have Armstead on the team as a mentor

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His rookie year with the Pats was carried by a top 5 rushing attack and a top 5 Defense. That team literally won a game (against the Bills and not some scrub team) with Mac completing a grand total of 2 Passes throughout the entire game lol. One of which was in the final minutes.

He made the pro bowl his rookie season, and then Bill Belichick took a guy who had never coached offense in his life and made him the offensive coordinator, and he took another guy who never coached offense in his life and made him the quarterback coach.  That's what happened in New England.

Yea because the pro bowl holds so much weight right? They let the fans vote the players in lol. Popularity fest 101.

Yea Bill [BLEEP] up, but it still doesn't change the fact that Mac's best year was carried by a team that had a top 5 rushing attack and a top 5 Defense. Those are facts. When a team can beat another playoff team basically without their QB doing anything, says far more about the team around him than it does the QB.

Screams team was pretty good, QB not so much.

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It's fair to call him "average" but I just can't agree that his celing is "average at best". He made the playoffs his rookie year the one time he had an actual OC. NE was so devoid of talent and his development was so mangled I don't think he's even scratched the surface of his total abilities. I'd say his celing is Andy Dalton (which is to say above average and capable of winning some games but has some shortcomings and definitely isn't in that "elite" tier) and his floor is solid backup/journeyman.

His rookie year with the Pats was carried by a top 5 rushing attack and a top 5 Defense. That team literally won a game (against the Bills and not some scrub team) with Mac completing a grand total of 2 Passes throughout the entire game lol. One of which was in the final minutes.

He had no WRs.  It's actually impressive the numbers he put up with the WRs he had and he had a DC as a OC

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Foster may have been a poor draft pick. He's not good so far. They could put him on the practice squad and noone would pick him up.

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Brandon Scherff is no longer that dude.   Next season I want him gone.

His rookie year with the Pats was carried by a top 5 rushing attack and a top 5 Defense. That team literally won a game (against the Bills and not some scrub team) with Mac completing a grand total of 2 Passes throughout the entire game lol. One of which was in the final minutes.

He had no WRs.  It's actually impressive the numbers he put up with the WRs he had and he had a DC as a OC

He didn't have a Star receiver, but he had WRs and TEs. Stop acting like he was playing with flat out undrafted bums.

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It's fair to call him "average" but I just can't agree that his celing is "average at best". He made the playoffs his rookie year the one time he had an actual OC. NE was so devoid of talent and his development was so mangled I don't think he's even scratched the surface of his total abilities. I'd say his celing is Andy Dalton (which is to say above average and capable of winning some games but has some shortcomings and definitely isn't in that "elite" tier) and his floor is solid backup/journeyman.

His rookie year with the Pats was carried by a top 5 rushing attack and a top 5 Defense. That team literally won a game (against the Bills and not some scrub team) with Mac completing a grand total of 2 Passes throughout the entire game lol. One of which was in the final minutes.

What was the weather condition of that game vs the Bills? Lets see from the game recap: "With 40 mph wind gusts placing an emphasis on running the ball, Jones was more than content in being relegated to handoff duty in New England’s 14-10 win over the Buffalo Bills on Monday night."

you're mad he didn't throw the ball in 40 mph winds? and he still won the game? yea this is a delusional criticism. Especially when considering his rookie year was the following despite losing a full game's worth of stats to that poor weather game:

Mac Jones rookie year he posted:

3801 passing yards
7.3 YPA
22 passing TD's
13 INT's
on 68% completion. (352 completions on 521 attempts)

That's just "average at best" to you? that's clearly above average and was good enough to have a winning record and make the playoffs. No one is saying he's Mahomes, Brady, Montana or even as good as TLaw. He's a quality backup that could probably be a decent starter if he had went to a better situation.

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Championship Formula:

1) Draft Trevor Lawrence!
2) Play good physical Defense! 
3) Keep 91% of the roster healthy!
4) ???
5) Blank #2
6) CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

He had no WRs.  It's actually impressive the numbers he put up with the WRs he had and he had a DC as a OC

He didn't have a Star receiver, but he had WRs and TEs. Stop acting like he was playing with flat out undrafted bums.

Where one was drafted means nothing.  He probably had the worst WR group in the league.

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Edmonds has to make this team

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Best Preseason game I remember lol

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His rookie year with the Pats was carried by a top 5 rushing attack and a top 5 Defense. That team literally won a game (against the Bills and not some scrub team) with Mac completing a grand total of 2 Passes throughout the entire game lol. One of which was in the final minutes.

What was the weather condition of that game vs the Bills? Lets see from the game recap: "With 40 mph wind gusts placing an emphasis on running the ball, Jones was more than content in being relegated to handoff duty in New England’s 14-10 win over the Buffalo Bills on Monday night."

you're mad he didn't throw the ball in 40 mph winds? and he still won the game? yea this is a delusional criticism. Especially when considering his rookie year was the following despite losing a full game's worth of stats to that poor weather game:

Mac Jones rookie year he posted:

3801 passing yards
7.3 YPA
22 passing TD's
13 INT's
on 68% completion. (352 completions on 521 attempts)

That's just "average at best" to you? that's clearly above average and was good enough to have a winning record and make the playoffs. No one is saying he's Mahomes, Brady, Montana or even as good as TLaw. He's a quality backup that could probably be a decent starter if he had went to a better situation.

So are you saying they were scared to let their weak arm QB throw the ball in the wind? And no he didn't win that game. The Defense and running game did, just like they did the majority of the season.

Bills had no problem letting Allen rip the ball 30 times in 40 mph winds. And that's the difference between having a good QB or not.

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Mac 100% got a raw deal in NE. Glad to have him here backing up Trevor. If Trevor stubs his toe and has to miss a week I’m a hell of a lot more confident now that our backup could win us a game.

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He had no WRs.  It's actually impressive the numbers he put up with the WRs he had and he had a DC as a OC

He didn't have a Star receiver, but he had WRs and TEs. Stop acting like he was playing with flat out undrafted bums.

His WR's were Nelson Agohlor and Kendrick Bourne .... 2 guys that have each topped 800 yards exactly one year in their decade long NFL careers?!?

His TE's were a little better with Hunter Henry & Jonnu Smith. but even they're not world beaters; coincidentally Henry's best year in his career was Mac Jones' rookie year.

that team was devoid of offensive talent.

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Championship Formula:

1) Draft Trevor Lawrence!
2) Play good physical Defense! 
3) Keep 91% of the roster healthy!
4) ???
5) Blank #2
6) CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

Looks like it’s over.

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What was the weather condition of that game vs the Bills? Lets see from the game recap: "With 40 mph wind gusts placing an emphasis on running the ball, Jones was more than content in being relegated to handoff duty in New England’s 14-10 win over the Buffalo Bills on Monday night."

you're mad he didn't throw the ball in 40 mph winds? and he still won the game? yea this is a delusional criticism. Especially when considering his rookie year was the following despite losing a full game's worth of stats to that poor weather game:

Mac Jones rookie year he posted:

3801 passing yards
7.3 YPA
22 passing TD's
13 INT's
on 68% completion. (352 completions on 521 attempts)

That's just "average at best" to you? that's clearly above average and was good enough to have a winning record and make the playoffs. No one is saying he's Mahomes, Brady, Montana or even as good as TLaw. He's a quality backup that could probably be a decent starter if he had went to a better situation.

So are you saying they were scared to let their weak arm QB throw the ball in the wind? And no he didn't win that game. The Defense and running game did, just like they did the majority of the season.

Bills had no problem letting Allen rip the ball 30 times in 40 mph winds. And that's the difference between having a good QB or not.

So he just damn near 4k yards with a positive TD/INT ratio, completing 68% of his passes by accident? 

So no other QB has relied on their running game or strength of the team to move the ball and score points? with that roster of offensive talent i'd utilize the running game too lol. I compared him to Andy Dalton for a reason, you don't have  to be a gunslinger to be a successful NFL QB. 

Did Josh Allen win that game throwing 30 times and completing half of those? Mac's arm is NFL caliber but not everyone has a Howitzer to throw through 40 mph gusts. How many QB's in today's NFL have the arm to be consistent throwing the ball in 40 mph winds? This is a weird hill to die on.

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Championship Formula:

1) Draft Trevor Lawrence!
2) Play good physical Defense! 
3) Keep 91% of the roster healthy!
4) ???
5) Blank #2
6) CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

I don’t think we had any injuries tonight did we? A nice healthy start to the season is what we needed!

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31pts abd a shut out can't complain

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He didn't have a Star receiver, but he had WRs and TEs. Stop acting like he was playing with flat out undrafted bums.

His WR's were Nelson Agohlor and Kendrick Bourne .... 2 guys that have each topped 800 yards exactly one year in their decade long NFL careers?!?

His TE's were a little better with Hunter Henry & Jonnu Smith. but even they're not world beaters; coincidentally Henry's best year in his career was Mac Jones' rookie year.

that team was devoid of offensive talent.

And Jakobi Meyers, Juju Smith-Schuster and DeVante Parker.

Again as I said, he didn't have a star, but he wasn't playing with complete bums.

Very few teams have the luxury of having a Ja'marr Chase, or Justin Jefferson type.

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I felt it when Evan Engram said in the post game sideline interview that the "guys in the locker room are still very pissed off about last year". That's music to my ears and exactly the mindset of a very good football team.

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His WR's were Nelson Agohlor and Kendrick Bourne .... 2 guys that have each topped 800 yards exactly one year in their decade long NFL careers?!?

His TE's were a little better with Hunter Henry & Jonnu Smith. but even they're not world beaters; coincidentally Henry's best year in his career was Mac Jones' rookie year.

that team was devoid of offensive talent.

And Jakobi Meyers, Juju Smith-Schuster and DeVante Parker.

Again as I said, he didn't have a star, but he wasn't playing with complete bums.

Very few teams have the luxury of having a Ja'marr Chase, or Justin Jefferson type.

The league has changed. You need talent at WR now to make defenses respect the whole playbook, having multiple WR4 or WR3 at best players doesn't really move the needle much. You don't even need a Chase or a Jefferson type; even a Kirk, Lockett or Marvin Jones (Detroit not Jacksonville) can be enough to elevate an offense and open things up.

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Championship Formula:

1) Draft Trevor Lawrence!
2) Play good physical Defense! 
3) Keep 91% of the roster healthy!
4) ???
5) Blank #2
6) CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

So are you saying they were scared to let their weak arm QB throw the ball in the wind? And no he didn't win that game. The Defense and running game did, just like they did the majority of the season.

Bills had no problem letting Allen rip the ball 30 times in 40 mph winds. And that's the difference between having a good QB or not.

So he just damn near 4k yards with a positive TD/INT ratio, completing 68% of his passes by accident? 

So no other QB has relied on their running game or strength of the team to move the ball and score points? with that roster of offensive talent i'd utilize the running game too lol. I compared him to Andy Dalton for a reason, you don't have  to be a gunslinger to be a successful NFL QB. 

Did Josh Allen win that game throwing 30 times and completing half of those? Mac's arm is NFL caliber but not everyone has a Howitzer to throw through 40 mph gusts. How many QB's in today's NFL have the arm to be consistent throwing the ball in 40 mph winds? This is a weird hill to die on.

A strong rushing attack and a strong Defense is a QBs best friend, which was the case for Mac's rookie year.

Andy Dalton was the ultimate average at best game managing QB, so yea that comp makes sense.

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So he just damn near 4k yards with a positive TD/INT ratio, completing 68% of his passes by accident? 

So no other QB has relied on their running game or strength of the team to move the ball and score points? with that roster of offensive talent i'd utilize the running game too lol. I compared him to Andy Dalton for a reason, you don't have  to be a gunslinger to be a successful NFL QB. 

Did Josh Allen win that game throwing 30 times and completing half of those? Mac's arm is NFL caliber but not everyone has a Howitzer to throw through 40 mph gusts. How many QB's in today's NFL have the arm to be consistent throwing the ball in 40 mph winds? This is a weird hill to die on.

A strong rushing attack and a strong Defense is a QBs best friend, which was the case for Mac's rookie year.

Andy Dalton was the ultimate average at best game managing QB, so yea that comp makes sense.

Yes because the Defense and Runningbacks threw the ball for Mac and thats how he accumulated those good numbers throwing the ball that first year. The Defense and running game didn't really change during his time in NE, the fact that he went from an actual OC to a DC calling the offense did change however. 

I mean if being a 3x probowler is average at best to you then I guess we fundamentally disagree on what "average" is.

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Championship Formula:

1) Draft Trevor Lawrence!
2) Play good physical Defense! 
3) Keep 91% of the roster healthy!
4) ???
5) Blank #2
6) CHAMPIONSHIP!!!