I have a question for everyone who wants to venture an answer.  If Trump is elected, and he decides to follow through on his campaign promise to undertake the largest deportation effort in American history, and attempt to deport 10 million illegals, how do we figure out who is illegal? What is step 1 in the process? How do we catch all these illegals?

Please no trash talk, no name calling.  This is not a trick question.  

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I have doubts about this plan. Immigration is something I don't see him getting done effectively if he's in office. He's also been relaxed with his stance this cycle in terms of keeping people in, etc.

As far as rounding up illegals? It will take a lot of grassroot's effort, people will be tasked with speaking up, places of employment will be harassed more than likely.

Probably major deployment of ICE and new process and procedures put in place to give them quicker access to source illegals out and get them out of here.

Law enforcement as well. Which he hinted at back in May in an interview per a CNN article.

10,000,000 people is a huge goal. He'll be lucky to get half of that in four years. You're looking at 888,000 illegals caught and sent back monthly for the next four years at 10,000,000.

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Make them leave on their own.

1. Cut off government cheese to anyone with no SSN.

2. Crack down on fining employers. Go after the restaurants and other types of industries hiring them. Make it hurt. Audit them and make an example out of some big ones to set the tone.

3. Treat them all like criminals when caught, because that is what they are.

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Make them leave on their own.

1. Cut off government cheese to anyone with no SSN.

2. Crack down on fining employers. Go after the restaurants and other types of industries hiring them. Make it hurt. Audit them and make an example out of some big ones to set the tone.

3. Treat them all like criminals when caught, because that is what they are.

How many of the 10 million do you think are working?  

How much do you think it will cost the government to undertake this project?

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Make them leave on their own.

1. Cut off government cheese to anyone with no SSN.

2. Crack down on fining employers. Go after the restaurants and other types of industries hiring them. Make it hurt. Audit them and make an example out of some big ones to set the tone.

3. Treat them all like criminals when caught, because that is what they are.

How many of the 10 million do you think are working?  

How much do you think it will cost the government to undertake this project?

#1 forces #2.

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So as of now, my questions are:

1) Assuming there are 10 million illegals in the US, how does the government determine who is an illegal?

2) How many of those 10 million illegals have jobs?

3) How much do you think it would cost the government to undertake this project?

4) Who fills those jobs after the 10 million are deported?

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1. Seal the border, stop all immigration for 12 months.
1a. Automatic death penalty for smugglers, whether human or drug.
2. Run down amd deport all known border jumpers, reallocate those 87k IRS agents to this task.
3. After 1 year of that reopen to legal immigration for those with needed skillsets..
4. Then crunch the employers as above.

Most people will likely be happy if they just stop people from walking into the country, I want so much more.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The way you deport them en masse is to dry up the reason they are here, which is employment. Make it a federal crime to employ illegal labor with prison as a punishment and actually start enforcing it and no one will hire them and they will leave on their own. By itself, that would lead to increased inflation as labor costs for a lot of services would go up, but that's how you get them to self deport themselves. I think the best solution is we need to have what I described above as part of the process, but the other part is for them to come out of the shadows and identify themselves and have them apply for a work permit/visa to be able to remain here and work legally. Yes that would lead to taxing their wages for those currently working under the table which would increase labor costs, but I think a little inflation as result is better than the current situation. And to top it off, we could shift toward a national sales tax like the Fair Tax instead of an income tax but these are all pretty big steps that aren't likely to happen in unison, so probably not in the cards.

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So as of now, my questions are:

1) Assuming there are 10 million illegals in the US, how does the government determine who is an illegal?

2) How many of those 10 million illegals have jobs?

3) How much do you think it would cost the government to undertake this project? 

4) Who fills those jobs after the 10 million are deported?

There's more than enough known immigration fugitives in the country to get started.

The government has plenty of available resources to allocate to this project.


Far too many have jobs, getting rid of them will put Americans to work as wages rise to fill those jobs. Then we start legal.immigration again as needed. If we also follow my advice and end Welfare we'll have more than enough people working to fill those openings.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

So as of now, my questions are:

1) Assuming there are 10 million illegals in the US, how does the government determine who is an illegal?

2) How many of those 10 million illegals have jobs?

3) How much do you think it would cost the government to undertake this project? 

4) Who fills those jobs after the 10 million are deported?

1. Trace the free cell phones the Harris administration is giving them for starters.  Then maybe a program that incentivizes people turning them in. Kind of like what you guys tried to do for the unvaxxed during COVID.

2. More than you likely think, but impossible to say.

3. Less than it costs to fund Ukraine and Zelensky's lavish lifestyle at the hands of the American tax payers.

4. Teenagers looking for part time work who don't expect a $20 MW.

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I still want to deport all the rinos and libtards that put us in this situation as well.

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So as of now, my questions are:

1) Assuming there are 10 million illegals in the US, how does the government determine who is an illegal?

2) How many of those 10 million illegals have jobs?

3) How much do you think it would cost the government to undertake this project? 

4) Who fills those jobs after the 10 million are deported?

1)  Begin with the known illegals, prioritizing those with criminal records.  How many are known in some way through State or municipal programs for housing, medical care, cell phones, etc.  Crackdown on employers hiring workers without SS numbers.  Ongoing identification at the local level.  Law enforcement have the right to request ID from anyone violating a municipal ordinance (sleeping on the sidewalk, living in a tent in the park, etc.)  The problem people will turn up one way or the other and those should be the primary focus.

2)  That's anybody's guess.  I suspect a very small percentage of the arrivals over the last couple years.  How much does it matter?

3)  Again, anybody's guess.  I think the cost of not doing it, is ultimately greater than the cost of doing it.

4)  Documented, vaccinated, legal immigrants and the existing workforce.  It wouldn't hurt to cut back on the government handouts to encourage the latter.  The work ethic in this country has gone down the tubes.

P.S.  Looking at my desk, while simultaneously posting on this message board, leads me to see a certain irony in my previous sentence.  Sneakers out.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

The way you deport them en masse  is to dry up the reason they are here, which is employment.  Make it a federal crime to employ illegal labor with prison as a punishment and actually start enforcing it and no one will hire them and they will leave on their own.  By itself, that would lead to increased inflation as labor costs for a lot of services would go up, but that's how you get them to self deport themselves.  I think the best solution is we need to have what I described above as part of the process, but the other part  is for them to come out of the shadows and identify themselves and have them apply for a work permit/visa to be able to remain here and work legally. Yes that would lead to taxing their wages for those currently working under the table which would increase labor costs, but I think a little inflation as result is better than the current situation.  And to top it off, we could shift toward a national sales tax like the Fair Tax instead of an income tax but these are all pretty big steps that aren't likely to happen in unison, so probably not in the cards.

When all the robots take over the jobs that only illegals will do, then they will deport themselves back to beautiful Mexico.

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The way you deport them en masse  is to dry up the reason they are here, which is employment.  Make it a federal crime to employ illegal labor with prison as a punishment and actually start enforcing it and no one will hire them and they will leave on their own.  By itself, that would lead to increased inflation as labor costs for a lot of services would go up, but that's how you get them to self deport themselves.  I think the best solution is we need to have what I described above as part of the process, but the other part  is for them to come out of the shadows and identify themselves and have them apply for a work permit/visa to be able to remain here and work legally. Yes that would lead to taxing their wages for those currently working under the table which would increase labor costs, but I think a little inflation as result is better than the current situation.  And to top it off, we could shift toward a national sales tax like the Fair Tax instead of an income tax but these are all pretty big steps that aren't likely to happen in unison, so probably not in the cards.

When all the robots take over the jobs that only illegals will do, then they will deport themselves back to beautiful Mexico.

I dread the day. Once AI and Automaton's takeover, there's really no purpose for having a planet with 8 billion people or more on it. Scary predicament to be in if you're not at the top of the economic food chain. 

I'll be honest though. I wouldn't mind an early retirement and Uncle Sam with it's good intentions giving me a monthly allowance of $7,500 per month to have fun with. 

I'll be at the gun range, golf range and pool hall most of the time. 

We all know that's a pipe dream. We're going to be turned into Soylent Green. LOL.

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Make them leave on their own.

1. Cut off government cheese to anyone with no SSN.

2. Crack down on fining employers. Go after the restaurants and other types of industries hiring them. Make it hurt. Audit them and make an example out of some big ones to set the tone.

3. Treat them all like criminals when caught, because that is what they are.

This. The first step is to stop giving money to non US citizens.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Immigration is hard. The executive doesn't deport anyone. He prosecutes. The judge deports. The process should be sped up, but it needs to remain an orderly and predictable process.
It's going to be hard. And costly. And more judges and lawyers will be needed. That's the high-hanging fruit.

The low-hanging fruit is punishing employers and recruiters. Right now from what I can tell employers are saying "I don't know man he just works for a temp company The temp company says he was cool," and the temp company is turning around and saying "no man that wasn't my job the employer is supposed to check for their immigration status." They should both be in trouble and both be held responsible if somebody is working without the appropriate visa. But that's never going to happen, because the cops "work for" the employers, usually.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

The first step is to deport all illegal aliens arrested for committing any crime rather than releasing them back out on the streets.

Next immediately stop this nonsense and deport these people rather than releasing them into the country.

Biden-Harris admin refuses to reveal nationalities of terror watchlist migrants nabbed at border

Next step should be to let CBP do their jobs instead of just "processing" illegals into the country.

Contrary to what the liberal media would have you think, President Trump is not looking to "round up" the migrants working in the fields, working construction, cleaning hotel rooms, etc.  He specifically has talked about people with criminal records or people that are breaking our laws.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

The first step is to deport all illegal aliens arrested for committing any crime rather than releasing them back out on the streets.

Next immediately stop this nonsense and deport these people rather than releasing them into the country.

Biden-Harris admin refuses to reveal nationalities of terror watchlist migrants nabbed at border

Next step should be to let CBP do their jobs instead of just "processing" illegals into the country.

Contrary to what the liberal media would have you think, President Trump is not looking to "round up" the migrants working in the fields, working construction, cleaning hotel rooms, etc.  He specifically has talked about people with criminal records or people that are breaking our laws.

You can't deport people just because they were arrested.  They have to be convicted before you can deport.  
What you mean to say is if someone is arrested for a crime, and found to be in the country illegally, they should then be prosecuted for that crime as well as the civil infraction of overstaying their visa.  That's complicated.  Those are usually two different judges and two different prosecutors.  Maybe there's a way to untangle it.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

The first step is to deport all illegal aliens arrested for committing any crime rather than releasing them back out on the streets.

Next immediately stop this nonsense and deport these people rather than releasing them into the country.

Biden-Harris admin refuses to reveal nationalities of terror watchlist migrants nabbed at border

Next step should be to let CBP do their jobs instead of just "processing" illegals into the country.

Contrary to what the liberal media would have you think, President Trump is not looking to "round up" the migrants working in the fields, working construction, cleaning hotel rooms, etc.  He specifically has talked about people with criminal records or people that are breaking our laws.

You can't deport people just because they were arrested.  They have to be convicted before you can deport.  
What you mean to say is if someone is arrested for a crime, and found to be in the country illegally, they should then be prosecuted for that crime as well as the civil infraction of overstaying their visa.  That's complicated.  Those are usually two different judges and two different prosecutors.  Maybe there's a way to untangle it.

The ones being arrested for theft or violent crimes didn't get here by "overstaying their visa", they walked in through the Biden-Harris open border.

It's not difficult to deport people like these.

One case outlined in the article:

The suspect was previously charged in Maryland with theft, at which point U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement attempted to have local police hold him in custody until they could transfer him to federal custody. The local officials refused, setting Trejo-Granados free.
 
He was arrested again in the state in September and again ICE’s request was denied.

Trejo-Granados had been ordered deported by a federal immigration judge in Newark, New Jersey, in November 2022, but ICE had not been able to take him into custody.

This is a result of democrats like you in blue cities letting these people go rather than deport them.

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