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What's up with Foster? Listened to the Boselli and prisco Monday podcast and they seemed pretty adamant that he isn't ready to play. Kept caveating it by saying he had tools to develop. But the gist of it was he isn't close to being ready to help if injuries occur. Thought they alo said he doesn't look like a tackle.

Surprised me as I didn't think he was a developmental guy. I thought he was more of a high floor low ceiling guy who had a ton of playing experience, first team all sec, 3rd team all American, etc.... Typically players with that resume are sound quality football players that go later in the draft because they just don't have elite physical tools. But they don't really need development per se. They are who they are and either they technically can overcome their limitations or they can't.

Is he the opposite? Did he have a ton of playing experience but never developed technically and just got by on physical tools? If so that would concern me a bit more as a guy who played 4 years should have picked up better fundamentals. Sure they can be taught once a pro but he would have to overcome all those bad habits reinforced with years of playing time.

Logically, Rauscher(sp?) and Pederson should develop him at guard if he can't handle the pass rush outside. But I suspect they'll be stubborn, and he'll be playing out of position all his rookie contract. Then, he'll go to another team and flourish as a guard. That's how it seems to work.

What are you talking about? Have you seen the depth chart? The backup left tackle is Little. The backup right tackle is Cole Van Lanen.  Foster will be backing up Ezra.  At least that is my impression. Maybe you have info I don't.

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Good write-up on a few young guys making a good impression early. Sucks because I know especially that Beebe was a big hit on a lot of radars on the board last April. If nothing else, there's some coaching and scouting names in here that we may want to poach if our gang look like hot garbage down the road.

How great would it be if we had some stories about our successful drafting and development? A boy can dream.

Dallas has been traditionally good at this. Guyton and Beebe excelling though shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody. Regardless of where they're playing in my opinion. I liked Guyton as a dark horse back in April for us. Simply for the fact that Baalke picked his teammate, Harrison from Oklahoma last year. 

I liked the idea of potentially drafting Guyton to play RT with Harrison moving over to LT to move on from Robinson this off season. Beebe was the top prospect at OG for a lot of people that were paying attention. But, again, it's Dallas. They've been good at getting it right most of the time with offensive lineman. 

We'll see what happens here. Baalke and Pederson better pray that core five stays intact.

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I don't think anyone signed blake Hance

I can't believe he's still out there after being available for 5 hours. Unbelievable!

And he's back.

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I can't believe he's still out there after being available for 5 hours. Unbelievable!

And he's back.

Of all the players this staff/FO let walk into the waiver wire - literally the only one who was a calculated risk for them was Christian Braswell

None of the others had really done enough to have any serious suitors IMO

And - of course- they clearly had informed Braswell he had a place on our PS and was wanted here since he turned down other PS offers to come back

Fans need to bear in mind the new reality of the 16 member practice squad that has virtually no limit as to a player's tenure in order to sign anymore. 

The modern NFL staff is treating that PS as an extension of their roster despite the poaching risk. 
53 players is a tough number to keep 90% healthy in a 17 game season. 
They need to stash talent there. 

I wouldn't be surprised to see 4 or 5 of those 16 players get action or backup duty on the 53 this year if injuries occur in their position groups. Maybe even Hance, but I hope it never comes to that for him.

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Logically, Rauscher(sp?) and Pederson should develop him at guard if he can't handle the pass rush outside. But I suspect they'll be stubborn, and he'll be playing out of position all his rookie contract. Then, he'll go to another team and flourish as a guard. That's how it seems to work.

What are you talking about? Have you seen the depth chart? The backup left tackle is Little. The backup right tackle is Cole Van Lanen.  Foster will be backing up Ezra.  At least that is my impression. Maybe you have info I don't.

I don't get the idea that the backups are locked into positions on the right or left.  Little is a swing tackle.  Hodges is the swing guard.  That makes Van Lanen a 3rd string tackle, and Foster would be behind all those people.  So, if Ezra has to come out, it would be Hodges going in, not Foster.

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I believe the PS is set in sand. Probably waited as they had their eye on a few guys that were missed on. They get a chance to improve they will. What this version represents is the acknowledgment that bringing anyone in at this time may take 2 to 4 weeks to bring up to speed.

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What are you talking about? Have you seen the depth chart? The backup left tackle is Little. The backup right tackle is Cole Van Lanen.  Foster will be backing up Ezra.  At least that is my impression. Maybe you have info I don't.

I don't get the idea that the backups are locked into positions on the right or left.  Little is a swing tackle.  Hodges is the swing guard.  That makes Van Lanen a 3rd string tackle, and Foster would be behind all those people.  So, if Ezra has to come out, it would be Hodges going in, not Foster.

While I agree with Foster being behind them all, I can't totally agree with the rest. I looked at the snaps this preseason.

Cole Van Lanen - Preseason has played 167 snaps and all at RT.
Lucky Fortner - Preseason has played 105 snaps all at C.
Cooper Hodges - Preseason played 152 snaps all at RG.
Javon Foster - Preseason played 117 snaps all at LT.
Walker Little - Preseason played 72 snaps all at LT.

So appears Van Lanen first in for Harrison, Little for Cam, Hodges for Scherff.  That leave LG. During the preseason Hance and Shatley got most of the snaps. Last year during preseason Little got reps at LG, but that was a year ago. Anyway will be interesting to find out how they play this.

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I don't get the idea that the backups are locked into positions on the right or left.  Little is a swing tackle.  Hodges is the swing guard.  That makes Van Lanen a 3rd string tackle, and Foster would be behind all those people.  So, if Ezra has to come out, it would be Hodges going in, not Foster.

While I agree with Foster being behind them all, I can't totally agree with the rest. I looked at the snaps this preseason.

Cole Van Lanen - Preseason has played 167 snaps and all at RT.
Lucky Fortner - Preseason has played 105 snaps all at C.
Cooper Hodges - Preseason played 152 snaps all at RG.
Javon Foster - Preseason played 117 snaps all at LT.
Walker Little - Preseason played 72 snaps all at LT.

So appears Van Lanen first in for Harrison, Little for Cam, Hodges for Scherff.  That leave LG. During the preseason Hance and Shatley got most of the snaps. Last year during preseason Little got reps at LG, but that was a year ago. Anyway will be interesting to find out how they play this.

You just proved my point that you so adamantly rejected earlier. See bolded text. 

But if you are correct that the braintrust now views Foster as a guard based on a depth chart, then I will be happy to be wrong. I’ve been a fan since the team’s inception and have observed several players put in positions that didn’t fit them.

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While I agree with Foster being behind them all, I can't totally agree with the rest. I looked at the snaps this preseason.

Cole Van Lanen - Preseason has played 167 snaps and all at RT.
Lucky Fortner - Preseason has played 105 snaps all at C.
Cooper Hodges - Preseason played 152 snaps all at RG.
Javon Foster - Preseason played 117 snaps all at LT.
Walker Little - Preseason played 72 snaps all at LT.

So appears Van Lanen first in for Harrison, Little for Cam, Hodges for Scherff.  That leave LG. During the preseason Hance and Shatley got most of the snaps. Last year during preseason Little got reps at LG, but that was a year ago. Anyway will be interesting to find out how they play this.

You just proved my point that you so adamantly rejected earlier. See bolded text. 

But if you are correct that the braintrust now views Foster as a guard based on a depth chart, then I will be happy to be wrong. I’ve been a fan since the team’s inception and have observed several players put in positions that didn’t fit them.

FWIW - Foster's college coach swears he can play inside and our staff reportedly gave him some snaps there prior to preseason 
(a local beat writer tweeted about him lined up at guard during mini-camp)
They must not have liked what they saw based on his preseason snaps all at tackle - and it is very common these days for college trench players to take some time to develop to NFL standards, so I wouldn't rush to write the book on the kid's positional limitations just yet (not that you were doing so)

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I think he may still hold some potential to be a guard, but I doubt we see him worked there this season

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While I agree with Foster being behind them all, I can't totally agree with the rest. I looked at the snaps this preseason.

Cole Van Lanen - Preseason has played 167 snaps and all at RT.
Lucky Fortner - Preseason has played 105 snaps all at C.
Cooper Hodges - Preseason played 152 snaps all at RG.
Javon Foster - Preseason played 117 snaps all at LT.
Walker Little - Preseason played 72 snaps all at LT.

So appears Van Lanen first in for Harrison, Little for Cam, Hodges for Scherff.  That leave LG. During the preseason Hance and Shatley got most of the snaps. Last year during preseason Little got reps at LG, but that was a year ago. Anyway will be interesting to find out how they play this.

You just proved my point that you so adamantly rejected earlier. See bolded text. 

But if you are correct that the braintrust now views Foster as a guard based on a depth chart, then I will be happy to be wrong. I’ve been a fan since the team’s inception and have observed several players put in positions that didn’t fit them.

Yes, they showed him on one depth at guard, played him at LT during the preseason according to PFF, which I didn't know until I looked at the stats. Confusing?  Yes, after that post I began looking at PFF stats and felt I needed to post the what I found. Was I wrong most likely, not the first time.. LOL   Yea I outed myself there, so what...

I’ve been a fan since the team’s inception as well and have observed them moving guys the same as you. Like I said it will be interesting.

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You just proved my point that you so adamantly rejected earlier. See bolded text. 

But if you are correct that the braintrust now views Foster as a guard based on a depth chart, then I will be happy to be wrong. I’ve been a fan since the team’s inception and have observed several players put in positions that didn’t fit them.

Yes, they showed him on one depth at guard, played him at LT during the preseason according to PFF, which I didn't know until I looked at the stats. Confusing?  Yes, after that post I began looking at PFF stats and felt I needed to post the what I found. Was I wrong most likely, not the first time.. LOL    Yea I outed myself there, so what...

I’ve been a fan since the team’s inception as well and have observed them moving guys the same as you. Like I said it will be interesting.

No biggie. What's worrisome is all the snaps at LT. That seems like the wrong spot for Foster not only talent-wise but strategically. Next season, assuming Robinson departs, Harrison or Little would be superior LT options.

I'm probably overthinking, though. At least for now it looks like they're grooming Foster to be the future swing tackle.

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Yes, they showed him on one depth at guard, played him at LT during the preseason according to PFF, which I didn't know until I looked at the stats. Confusing?  Yes, after that post I began looking at PFF stats and felt I needed to post the what I found. Was I wrong most likely, not the first time.. LOL    Yea I outed myself there, so what...

I’ve been a fan since the team’s inception as well and have observed them moving guys the same as you. Like I said it will be interesting.

No biggie. What's worrisome is all the snaps at LT. That seems like the wrong spot for Foster not only talent-wise but strategically. Next season, assuming Robinson departs, Harrison or Little would be superior LT options.

I'm probably overthinking, though. At least for now it looks like they're grooming Foster to be the future swing tackle.

Yep, as fans that is our job while we wait TWO WEEKS for the first game.  What I found odd after looking at preseason snaps is all the back up players that had taken them at RG were no longer on the roster.

Players say switching sides is suppose to be tougher than going from guard to tackle and back. What I wonder about is how this effects them physically. After thousands of reps on the right your body has to get conditioned to absorb impact at those angles. Switching suddenly to the left could increase their injury chances. I know there was a Pittsburgh guard that applied to, he was good on the right, switched to the left, got injured. The next year switched back and was ok. Have no proof but inquiring minds always wonder...

https://www.pff.com/news/switching-sides

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No biggie. What's worrisome is all the snaps at LT. That seems like the wrong spot for Foster not only talent-wise but strategically. Next season, assuming Robinson departs, Harrison or Little would be superior LT options.

I'm probably overthinking, though. At least for now it looks like they're grooming Foster to be the future swing tackle.

Yep, as fans that is our job while we wait TWO WEEKS for the first game.  What I found odd after looking at preseason snaps is all the back up players that had taken them at RG were no longer on the roster.

Players say switching sides is suppose to be tougher than going from guard to tackle and back. What I wonder about is how this effects them physically. After thousands of reps on the right your body has to get conditioned to absorb impact at those angles. Switching suddenly to the left could increase their injury chances. I know there was a Pittsburgh guard that applied to, he was good on the right, switched to the left, got injured. The next year switched back and was ok. Have no proof but inquiring minds always wonder...

https://www.pff.com/news/switching-sides

Dude, get an appointment with the eye doctor. Tugboat made the roster and is likely the 1st back up at both guard spots.

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Yep, as fans that is our job while we wait TWO WEEKS for the first game.  What I found odd after looking at preseason snaps is all the back up players that had taken them at RG were no longer on the roster.

Players say switching sides is suppose to be tougher than going from guard to tackle and back. What I wonder about is how this effects them physically. After thousands of reps on the right your body has to get conditioned to absorb impact at those angles. Switching suddenly to the left could increase their injury chances. I know there was a Pittsburgh guard that applied to, he was good on the right, switched to the left, got injured. The next year switched back and was ok. Have no proof but inquiring minds always wonder...

https://www.pff.com/news/switching-sides

Dude, get an appointment with the eye doctor. Tugboat made the roster and is likely the 1st back up at both guard spots.

Yes he made the roster, my eyes are fine by the way. I just find it odd that no one on the roster played any snaps at RG. Why you find that offensive is your issue and has nothing to do with anyone's eyes. Perhaps he will, we will find out in in a couple weeks.

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Dude, get an appointment with the eye doctor. Tugboat made the roster and is likely the 1st back up at both guard spots.

Yes he made the roster, my eyes are fine by the way. I just find it odd that no one on the roster played any snaps at RG. Why you find that offensive is your issue and has nothing to do with anyone's eyes. Perhaps he will, we will find out in in a couple weeks.

YBro, you literally said "What I found odd after looking at preseason snaps is all the back up players that had taken them at RG were no longer on the roster."

Scherff is the starter and and that makes Tugboat the backup at Right Guard. So no, one of the backup players that took snaps at RG is in fact on the roster; Tugboat is the back up player who took snaps at Right Guard. 

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Yes he made the roster, my eyes are fine by the way. I just find it odd that no one on the roster played any snaps at RG. Why you find that offensive is your issue and has nothing to do with anyone's eyes. Perhaps he will, we will find out in in a couple weeks.

YBro, you literally said "What I found odd after looking at preseason snaps is all the back up players that had taken them at RG were no longer on the roster."

Scherff is the starter and and that makes Tugboat the backup at Right Guard. So no, one of the backup players that took snaps at RG is in fact on the roster; Tugboat is the back up player who took snaps at Right Guard. 

Well crap, maybe I just need to proof better, I can't blame it on eyes unfortunately. Left Guard is the one, not Right Guard. ... my apologies Going back to typing posts in word before posting....and I was referring to backups.

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YBro, you literally said "What I found odd after looking at preseason snaps is all the back up players that had taken them at RG were no longer on the roster."

Scherff is the starter and and that makes Tugboat the backup at Right Guard. So no, one of the backup players that took snaps at RG is in fact on the roster; Tugboat is the back up player who took snaps at Right Guard. 

Well crap, maybe I just need to proof better, I can't blame it on eyes unfortunately. Left Guard is the one, not Right Guard. ... my apologies  Going back to typing posts in word before posting....and I was referring to backups.

Lol, it happens. I'm fairly certain that Hodges would back up either side first and then Fortner would be the 4th guard if needed. The Little experiment at guard is likely over and Tugboat was actually in at left guard last year when he got hurt. I don't think Little or Foster play in there this year at all unless we have catastrophic injuries.

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Yes, they showed him on one depth at guard, played him at LT during the preseason according to PFF, which I didn't know until I looked at the stats. Confusing?  Yes, after that post I began looking at PFF stats and felt I needed to post the what I found. Was I wrong most likely, not the first time.. LOL    Yea I outed myself there, so what...

I’ve been a fan since the team’s inception as well and have observed them moving guys the same as you. Like I said it will be interesting.

No biggie. What's worrisome is all the snaps at LT. That seems like the wrong spot for Foster not only talent-wise but strategically. Next season, assuming Robinson departs, Harrison or Little would be superior LT options.

I'm probably overthinking, though. At least for now it looks like they're grooming Foster to be the future swing tackle.

Little has had more chances to be a starter, than any player in franchise history. 

He sure ain’t starting over Harrison, but in your scenario there is a good chance he starts next year.

Good chance Scherff will probably be gone before Robinson. Harrison will be the LT and Hodges your LG or possibly your RT, that leaves Little playing G.

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