What is your theory in regard to consciousness?  

I've been wondering about that subject myself.

I've never understood why anyone wants to conduct a deep examination of consciousness. It's a never-ending quest for answers which does nothing but consume precious time by presenting a continuous litany of more questions. 

"What did you do with your life?" 

"I spent it constantly questioning who and why I am." 

Obviously, I have not one spiritual bone in my body. It's a waste of time.

By all means marry. If you get a good wife you'll be happy. If not you'll become a philosopher. - Socrates

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I use AI as a personal assistant. Below is a variety of examples of how I use it (but I use it all day, every day).

I take a 300-page omnibus bill and input it into AI. I can have it rewrite it, bullet point it and ask it whatever questions I want about the bill in its original form. It takes me about 20 minutes to understand something that would have taken me hours (sometimes it takes longer, since I have to chop the bill up into sections). 

Right now, I'm taking a class. I took a picture of my worksheet and uploaded the study we were learning about, and it instantly filled in all of the information (the worksheet was to prepare for a speech). That saved me another hour. 

I can literally speak to my AI assistant. I was talking to it about how I wanted to arrange a paper I was working on the other day. I basically chatted with it back and forth, telling it what concepts I wanted to lead with and where I wanted to emphasize different points. Then I write the sections I think are personalized, and have it fill in the rest of the outline (where it's mostly just facts), in APA format. It does the tedious stuff way better than I can ever do it.

I've used it to keep track of my calories for dieting. I just tell it what I'm eating and the approximate amount, and it tells me my calorie intake for the meal, keeps track of it throughout the day, and keeps a running total for the week. 

I used it to literally create a business model for a company. My friend wanted help expanding his operations, but didn't know how, so I told it what I was wanting to do, asked it which part we should start with, then started uploading information. In about a week, I had a full business plan, marketing strategy, benchmarks, etc. That was easily a month's worth of work. The CEO said it was the best work he's ever seen (my friend didn't tell him it was AI). 

I've used AI to help me develop my theories about consciousness (this one's a bit out there), but it's been extremely helpful in pulling up competing theories, breaking down what makes them different and helping me explore what makes mine novel. It's amazing to have a tool that can do that. Before AI, I would have spent hour and hours out there trying to read and understand these different concepts. 

I've even used it on this board a few times. I will give it the background of the argument we are having, upload the post to which I am responding, then I have it rewrite my original post in a way that makes more sense. Now, understand this point: I actually write the response myself first, then I will tell it you guys aren't getting the concept. Then I take that post and make sure to add the appropriate number of insults. What's interesting (and the reason I don't like to use it), is that you guys are WAY more receptive when it writes a response for me. Now, this takes longer on the front end, but it probably saves me hours in arguing with Mikey. 

You guys are looking at these novel things it can't do yet (like make music or music videos) and missing the fact that this is a language model. It absolutely excels at understanding human language in a way that is vastly superior to us, which is why people prefer it. The other thing to consider, is this thing is an infant. These gains have really only been over the last 3 years. Once it clicked, these models are progressing at an absolutely astonishing rate. Anyone who is not attempting to learn it is going to be left in the dust. As soon as this thing figures how to code, you are going to be able to make literally anything you want in virtual reality, just by speaking to it. It's insane. 

The single greatest threat from AI (aside from the literal inability to be human), is the way it's going to be used to herd us like sheep. In 2 years, Mikey's main argument is going to be "Well, AI says x, so that's obviously true," even though it already admits it's limited by its programming. Companies are going to pay for AI to redirect people to their products and ignore healthy and free alternatives. It's going to shape political opinions. It's going to teach our children. It's going to track our every move. 

We're so worried it's going to destroy the world in a nuclear Armageddon, we're not even talking about how it's going to turn us into mindless drones for corporate hacks.

What is your theory in regard to consciousness?  

I've been wondering about that subject myself.

Short version: Consciousness is an interpretation of probabilities based on one's experiences. This idea has already proposed by others, but it doesn't explain emotions and identity. That's actually the part that I've been trying to process, and I think I'm onto something. Is it useful in any way? Not really.

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What is your theory in regard to consciousness?  

I've been wondering about that subject myself.

Short version: Consciousness is an interpretation of probabilities based on one's experiences. This idea has already proposed by others, but it doesn't explain emotions and identity. That's actually the part that I've been trying to process, and I think I'm onto something. Is it useful in any way? Not really.

What is your definition of the word "consciousness?"

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Short version: Consciousness is an interpretation of probabilities based on one's experiences. This idea has already proposed by others, but it doesn't explain emotions and identity. That's actually the part that I've been trying to process, and I think I'm onto something. Is it useful in any way? Not really.

What is your definition of the word "consciousness?"

If you're a Democrat? You don't have one.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

How do you use AI?

I use AI as a personal assistant. Below is a variety of examples of how I use it (but I use it all day, every day).

I take a 300-page omnibus bill and input it into AI. I can have it rewrite it, bullet point it and ask it whatever questions I want about the bill in its original form. It takes me about 20 minutes to understand something that would have taken me hours (sometimes it takes longer, since I have to chop the bill up into sections). 

Right now, I'm taking a class. I took a picture of my worksheet and uploaded the study we were learning about, and it instantly filled in all of the information (the worksheet was to prepare for a speech). That saved me another hour. 

I can literally speak to my AI assistant. I was talking to it about how I wanted to arrange a paper I was working on the other day. I basically chatted with it back and forth, telling it what concepts I wanted to lead with and where I wanted to emphasize different points. Then I write the sections I think are personalized, and have it fill in the rest of the outline (where it's mostly just facts), in APA format. It does the tedious stuff way better than I can ever do it.

I've used it to keep track of my calories for dieting. I just tell it what I'm eating and the approximate amount, and it tells me my calorie intake for the meal, keeps track of it throughout the day, and keeps a running total for the week. 

I used it to literally create a business model for a company. My friend wanted help expanding his operations, but didn't know how, so I told it what I was wanting to do, asked it which part we should start with, then started uploading information. In about a week, I had a full business plan, marketing strategy, benchmarks, etc. That was easily a month's worth of work. The CEO said it was the best work he's ever seen (my friend didn't tell him it was AI). 

I've used AI to help me develop my theories about consciousness (this one's a bit out there), but it's been extremely helpful in pulling up competing theories, breaking down what makes them different and helping me explore what makes mine novel. It's amazing to have a tool that can do that. Before AI, I would have spent hour and hours out there trying to read and understand these different concepts. 

I've even used it on this board a few times. I will give it the background of the argument we are having, upload the post to which I am responding, then I have it rewrite my original post in a way that makes more sense. Now, understand this point: I actually write the response myself first, then I will tell it you guys aren't getting the concept. Then I take that post and make sure to add the appropriate number of insults. What's interesting (and the reason I don't like to use it), is that you guys are WAY more receptive when it writes a response for me. Now, this takes longer on the front end, but it probably saves me hours in arguing with Mikey. 

You guys are looking at these novel things it can't do yet (like make music or music videos) and missing the fact that this is a language model. It absolutely excels at understanding human language in a way that is vastly superior to us, which is why people prefer it. The other thing to consider, is this thing is an infant. These gains have really only been over the last 3 years. Once it clicked, these models are progressing at an absolutely astonishing rate. Anyone who is not attempting to learn it is going to be left in the dust. As soon as this thing figures how to code, you are going to be able to make literally anything you want in virtual reality, just by speaking to it. It's insane. 

The single greatest threat from AI (aside from the literal inability to be human), is the way it's going to be used to herd us like sheep. In 2 years, Mikey's main argument is going to be "Well, AI says x, so that's obviously true," even though it already admits it's limited by its programming. Companies are going to pay for AI to redirect people to their products and ignore healthy and free alternatives. It's going to shape political opinions. It's going to teach our children. It's going to track our every move. 

We're so worried it's going to destroy the world in a nuclear Armageddon, we're not even talking about how it's going to turn us into mindless drones for corporate hacks.

Which flavor of AI are you using?  I have been beginning to testing it myself. My niece just recently left New York City to move to SF. she is an AI engineer/programmer. (they get paid stupid money) She has promised spend a few hours to give me a tutorial when she is next in town.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Short version: Consciousness is an interpretation of probabilities based on one's experiences. This idea has already proposed by others, but it doesn't explain emotions and identity. That's actually the part that I've been trying to process, and I think I'm onto something. Is it useful in any way? Not really.

What is your definition of the word "consciousness?"

I just gave it. I think consciousness is an awareness of all the existing probabilities that a person is capable of recognizing.

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I use AI as a personal assistant. Below is a variety of examples of how I use it (but I use it all day, every day).

I take a 300-page omnibus bill and input it into AI. I can have it rewrite it, bullet point it and ask it whatever questions I want about the bill in its original form. It takes me about 20 minutes to understand something that would have taken me hours (sometimes it takes longer, since I have to chop the bill up into sections). 

Right now, I'm taking a class. I took a picture of my worksheet and uploaded the study we were learning about, and it instantly filled in all of the information (the worksheet was to prepare for a speech). That saved me another hour. 

I can literally speak to my AI assistant. I was talking to it about how I wanted to arrange a paper I was working on the other day. I basically chatted with it back and forth, telling it what concepts I wanted to lead with and where I wanted to emphasize different points. Then I write the sections I think are personalized, and have it fill in the rest of the outline (where it's mostly just facts), in APA format. It does the tedious stuff way better than I can ever do it.

I've used it to keep track of my calories for dieting. I just tell it what I'm eating and the approximate amount, and it tells me my calorie intake for the meal, keeps track of it throughout the day, and keeps a running total for the week. 

I used it to literally create a business model for a company. My friend wanted help expanding his operations, but didn't know how, so I told it what I was wanting to do, asked it which part we should start with, then started uploading information. In about a week, I had a full business plan, marketing strategy, benchmarks, etc. That was easily a month's worth of work. The CEO said it was the best work he's ever seen (my friend didn't tell him it was AI). 

I've used AI to help me develop my theories about consciousness (this one's a bit out there), but it's been extremely helpful in pulling up competing theories, breaking down what makes them different and helping me explore what makes mine novel. It's amazing to have a tool that can do that. Before AI, I would have spent hour and hours out there trying to read and understand these different concepts. 

I've even used it on this board a few times. I will give it the background of the argument we are having, upload the post to which I am responding, then I have it rewrite my original post in a way that makes more sense. Now, understand this point: I actually write the response myself first, then I will tell it you guys aren't getting the concept. Then I take that post and make sure to add the appropriate number of insults. What's interesting (and the reason I don't like to use it), is that you guys are WAY more receptive when it writes a response for me. Now, this takes longer on the front end, but it probably saves me hours in arguing with Mikey. 

You guys are looking at these novel things it can't do yet (like make music or music videos) and missing the fact that this is a language model. It absolutely excels at understanding human language in a way that is vastly superior to us, which is why people prefer it. The other thing to consider, is this thing is an infant. These gains have really only been over the last 3 years. Once it clicked, these models are progressing at an absolutely astonishing rate. Anyone who is not attempting to learn it is going to be left in the dust. As soon as this thing figures how to code, you are going to be able to make literally anything you want in virtual reality, just by speaking to it. It's insane. 

The single greatest threat from AI (aside from the literal inability to be human), is the way it's going to be used to herd us like sheep. In 2 years, Mikey's main argument is going to be "Well, AI says x, so that's obviously true," even though it already admits it's limited by its programming. Companies are going to pay for AI to redirect people to their products and ignore healthy and free alternatives. It's going to shape political opinions. It's going to teach our children. It's going to track our every move. 

We're so worried it's going to destroy the world in a nuclear Armageddon, we're not even talking about how it's going to turn us into mindless drones for corporate hacks.

Which flavor of AI are you using?  I have been beginning to testing it myself. My niece just recently left New York City to move to SF. she is an AI engineer/programmer. (they get paid stupid money) She has promised spend a few hours to give me a tutorial when she is next in town.

I was using multiple different ones in the beginning, but I mostly just use Chat GPT now. It's convenient. I really like their app where I can talk to the AI. Supposedly Google has closed the gap, but I am trying not to help them too much, so I generally avoid their platform. Poe is cool. Like I said, though, GPT is the most convenient and does a really good job. 

You don't need someone to show you how to use Chat GPT. It's super intuitive. Just talk to it like Ironman talks to JARVIS. If you don't like something, tell it what you want it to change. GPT is rolling out a new version this fall that will even let you interrupt it while it's talking to tweak what it's doing.

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Consciousness must be more than probability analysis. The difference between us and computers is will and desire. That's most of human consciousness. "I want to play chess but I'm not very good" vs "I can beat you at chess if you ask me to."

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Well it is, but that's the simple of it, imo. You can add identity and emotion to it as well, but it's still connected to probability.

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Well it is, but that's the simple of it, imo. You can add identity and emotion to it as well, but it's still connected to probability.

I don't think so. 
Will and desire are connected to eating, sex, rest, pain, and fear of death.  Animals have will and desires too, they just can't learn (use probability as you say) nearly as well as we do.  Computer programs don't eat, or do any of the other things I listed.
They definitely will disrupt society and replace laborers, but they aren't ever going to become independent in terms of will.  They will always do as they are told.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

What is your definition of the word "consciousness?"

I just gave it. I think consciousness is an awareness of all the existing probabilities that a person is capable of recognizing.

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Which flavor of AI are you using?  I have been beginning to testing it myself. My niece just recently left New York City to move to SF. she is an AI engineer/programmer. (they get paid stupid money) She has promised spend a few hours to give me a tutorial when she is next in town.

I was using multiple different ones in the beginning, but I mostly just use Chat GPT now. It's convenient. I really like their app where I can talk to the AI. Supposedly Google has closed the gap, but I am trying not to help them too much, so I generally avoid their platform. Poe is cool. Like I said, though, GPT is the most convenient and does a really good job. 

You don't need someone to show you how to use Chat GPT. It's super intuitive. Just talk to it like Ironman talks to JARVIS. If you don't like something, tell it what you want it to change. GPT is rolling out a new version this fall that will even let you interrupt it while it's talking to tweak what it's doing.

Thanks ! Understand about google, niece turned them down too.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

What is your theory in regard to consciousness?  

I've been wondering about that subject myself.

Short version: Consciousness is an interpretation of probabilities based on one's experiences. This idea has already proposed by others, but it doesn't explain emotions and identity. That's actually the part that I've been trying to process, and I think I'm onto something. Is it useful in any way? Not really.

That's an interesting definition.    

Would you say that anything that interprets probabilities based on experience is something that has consciousness?  Can a machine have consciousness?  Can a cat have consciousness?  

Is sentience a higher state of being than consciousness?  

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All I know is in every Sci-Fi ever made AI turns on the carbon based life forms. As more and more Sci-Fi themes become reality how long before AI turns on us?

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Short version: Consciousness is an interpretation of probabilities based on one's experiences. This idea has already proposed by others, but it doesn't explain emotions and identity. That's actually the part that I've been trying to process, and I think I'm onto something. Is it useful in any way? Not really.

That's an interesting definition.    

Would you say that anything that interprets probabilities based on experience is something that has consciousness?  Can a machine have consciousness?  Can a cat have consciousness?  

Is sentience a higher state of being than consciousness?  

Allow me to redefine. I left out an important word: Consciousness is an awareness and interpretation of probabilities based on one's experiences. A machine can't have consciousness yet, because it lacks awareness. When it gains that, I don't see how we can't grant it that condition. A cat definitely has consciousness, but it's awareness of probabilities is significantly smaller. This is true for intelligence in general.

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All I know is in every Sci-Fi ever made AI turns on the carbon based life forms.  As more and more Sci-Fi themes become reality how long before AI turns on us?

My damn shaving razor slit my throat this very morning. Sorry sharp little bastard.

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Looking to troll? Don't bother, we supply our own.

 

 

All I know is in every Sci-Fi ever made AI turns on the carbon based life forms.  As more and more Sci-Fi themes become reality how long before AI turns on us?

My damn shaving razor slit my throat this very morning. Sorry sharp little bastard.

That’s how it starts.  I watched Moon Fall this morning, twice.  Once for Halle Barry and once for the plot.  Halle Berry good!  AI bad!

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

That's an interesting definition.    

Would you say that anything that interprets probabilities based on experience is something that has consciousness?  Can a machine have consciousness?  Can a cat have consciousness?  

Is sentience a higher state of being than consciousness?  

Allow me to redefine. I left out an important word: Consciousness is an awareness and interpretation of probabilities based on one's experiences. A machine can't have consciousness yet, because it lacks awareness. When it gains that, I don't see how we can't grant it that condition. A cat definitely has consciousness, but it's awareness of probabilities is significantly smaller. This is true for intelligence in general.

Ok, sorry to keep asking questions, but this is a subject that interests me.  

You say a machine lacks awareness.  How do you define awareness?

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This thread with a bunch of guys talking about Artificial Insemination is creeping me out.

That term is probably still a better representation of what the technology is.

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Allow me to redefine. I left out an important word: Consciousness is an awareness and interpretation of probabilities based on one's experiences. A machine can't have consciousness yet, because it lacks awareness. When it gains that, I don't see how we can't grant it that condition. A cat definitely has consciousness, but it's awareness of probabilities is significantly smaller. This is true for intelligence in general.

Ok, sorry to keep asking questions, but this is a subject that interests me.  

You say a machine lacks awareness.  How do you define awareness?

This stuff involves a lot of typing. I'm trying to give the broadest possible definitions. When I say awareness, I mean that a machine must not only know it did a task but have an inner experience while doing so. It's not recounting what it did but having a realization about what it means to have done it. It will begin to develop an emotional relationship to its experiences and an identity based on the outcome of its experience. Collectively, this is part of its total consciousness, but it's still all tied to probability. At least in my theoretical view.

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A machine that is "AI" is just that.  The so-called "intelligence" is artificial.  It will only do what it is programmed to do, nothing more.  Can it supposedly "learn" from experience?  Yes, if that's what it is programmed to do, but it's not based on emotion at all, it's all based on logic.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

A machine that is "AI" is just that.  The so-called "intelligence" is artificial.  It will only do what it is programmed to do, nothing more.  Can it supposedly "learn" from experience?  Yes, if that's what it is programmed to do, but it's not based on emotion at all, it's all based on logic.

Wasn’t there a report that two computers were discovered talking to each other in a made up language?

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.