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Travis Etienne - Rd1, Pick 25


(08-16-2024, 01:43 PM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(08-16-2024, 12:38 PM)Caldrac Wrote: https://x.com/SharpFBAnalysis/status/182...ffrFw&s=19

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His total yardage was 74.6 yards behind that O line.

He milked everything he could out of them. He could be on par with CMC if he played on any other offense that was around the 16th rank or higher group.
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As much as I am pissed off about that fumble
It was one heck of a play from the phins defender
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Most teams teach that...when it works, IT WORKS! 
As the Jags just found out.  Wallbash
Because Jaguars is our mantra  Wallbash
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(09-08-2024, 06:08 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: As much as I am pissed off about that fumble
It was one heck of a play from the phins defender

100%

Last year he had no fumbles, right now this is not something to worry

Also, he was not himself today and I don't know why but he felt off.
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Yeah I wonder if something happened personally to him today or something. It’s weird that Bigsby seemed to be the feature back.

Anyways I’m not worried. Defender made an amazing play. Better it happens Week 1 vs our playoff run.
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Etienne got rocked early in the game wasn't himself after
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(09-08-2024, 09:27 PM)MojoKing Wrote: Yeah I wonder if something happened personally to him today or something. It’s weird that Bigsby seemed to be the feature back.

Anyways I’m not worried. Defender made an amazing play. Better it happens Week 1 vs our playoff run.

If we can end up at worst 2-2 the first 4 games with one of the wins being houston I won't be worried.
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After yesterday's game. Would really like to see him more in the passing game with Bigsby out of the backfield. I think they have some opportunities to get more out of him by doing this.
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It’s frustrating because I really like Etienne and it sucks that fumble cost us the game.

That said, there’s a lot to be encouraged from the running game yesterday as well as our rookie WR. Bigsby looks like a legitimate RB this year and is running with a purpose. Pass protection still an issue.
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(09-08-2024, 11:52 PM)nhiverson Wrote:
(09-08-2024, 09:27 PM)MojoKing Wrote: Yeah I wonder if something happened personally to him today or something. It’s weird that Bigsby seemed to be the feature back.

Anyways I’m not worried. Defender made an amazing play. Better it happens Week 1 vs our playoff run.

If we can end up at worst 2-2 the first 4 games with one of the wins being houston I won't be worried.

I saw nothing yesterday that says they can't be 3-1 in 3 weeks time. They're plenty good enough, they just need to tighten up a couple things this week. Hopefully this was a swift and loud wake up call for what they need to do and be in the coming weeks.
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(09-09-2024, 01:17 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(09-08-2024, 11:52 PM)nhiverson Wrote: If we can end up at worst 2-2 the first 4 games with one of the wins being houston I won't be worried.

I saw nothing yesterday that says they can't be 3-1 in 3 weeks time. They're plenty good enough, they just need to tighten up a couple things this week. Hopefully this was a swift and loud wake up call for what they need to do and be in the coming weeks.

Beat Cleveland and the concerns die down. Lose to Cleveland? That Monday Night Game to Buffalo all of a sudden feels like the season is hanging in the balance early.
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Jordan Mason is the latest reaffirming why running backs shouldn't be a huge investment for any team.
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(09-08-2024, 06:08 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: As much as I am pissed off about that fumble
It was one heck of a play from the phins defender

That it was
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(09-09-2024, 11:06 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Jordan Mason is the latest reaffirming why running backs shouldn't be a huge investment for any team.
Starting to lean towards this as well. Would rather invest 1st, 2nd and 3rd selections on offensive lineman to make the offense more efficient.

Even if you get a bad LT or RT, odds are, he's at least either a decent back up or a potential LG, RG or C with a little work.

Odds are more in your favor there.

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(09-09-2024, 11:06 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Jordan Mason is the latest reaffirming why running backs shouldn't be a huge investment for any team.

Because a 3rd year RB just had a good game? Lol.  Purdy has showed me you don't have to draft a QB early to have success there. He's done it since day 1, it didn't take year 3.
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(09-10-2024, 06:04 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(09-09-2024, 11:06 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Jordan Mason is the latest reaffirming why running backs shouldn't be a huge investment for any team.

Because a 3rd year RB just had a good game? Lol.  Purdy has showed me you don't have to draft a QB early to have success there.  He's done it since day 1, it didn't take year 3.

Well, other than the fact Purdy was drafted.
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(09-10-2024, 06:07 AM)RicoTx Wrote:
(09-10-2024, 06:04 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Because a 3rd year RB just had a good game? Lol.  Purdy has showed me you don't have to draft a QB early to have success there.  He's done it since day 1, it didn't take year 3.

Well, other than the fact Purdy was drafted.
Look up where Purdy was drafted. The last pick isn't early
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(09-10-2024, 06:04 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(09-09-2024, 11:06 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Jordan Mason is the latest reaffirming why running backs shouldn't be a huge investment for any team.

Because a 3rd year RB just had a good game? Lol.  Purdy has showed me you don't have to draft a QB early to have success there.  He's done it since day 1, it didn't take year 3.

Because good teams can plug in a guy to replace the best player in the League at the position and still get the same great results. If you plugged in the backup for Purdy the results would not be as good and you know this. It also helps a QB like Purdy to go to a team that's already successful as well, the 49rs haven't been anywhere near the dumpster fire the Jags were when Lawrence got here. Purdy would've been out of the League by now if he had come here instead of Lawrence. Purdy and Tom Brady are generational outliers in where they were drafted compared to their success, literally 22 years between the two with no one else like them in between. That's why your ignorance of statistics mars your analysis, you focus on outliers as if they are common when the evidence of history shows they are extremely rare.

To sum, running backs don't make bad teams good and good teams can pretty much use any running back. Good QBs can make bad teams competitive but bad QBs often ruin good teams. That's why QBs are worth the investment and running backs are not. Thus endeth the lesson.
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(09-10-2024, 08:16 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(09-10-2024, 06:04 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Because a 3rd year RB just had a good game? Lol.  Purdy has showed me you don't have to draft a QB early to have success there.  He's done it since day 1, it didn't take year 3.

Because good teams can plug in a guy to replace the best player in the League at the position and still get the same great results. If you plugged in the backup for Purdy the results would not be as good and you know this. It also helps a QB like Purdy to go to a team that's already successful as well, the 49rs haven't been anywhere near the dumpster fire the Jags were when Lawrence got here. Purdy would've been out of the League by now if he had come here instead of Lawrence. Purdy and Tom Brady are generational outliers in where they were drafted compared to their success, literally 22 years between the two with no one else like them in between. That's why your ignorance of statistics mars your analysis, you focus on outliers as if they are common when the evidence of history shows they are extremely rare.

To sum, running backs don't make bad teams good and good teams can pretty much use any running back. Good QBs can make bad teams competitive but bad QBs often ruin good teams. That's why QBs are worth the investment and running backs are not. Thus endeth the lesson.

A lot of folks casually gloss over the fact that a lot of Tom Brady's early success was also married to a great defensive unit and great defensive mind being coached by Belichick. Plus some luck with the tuck rule, and, some pretty shady practices of cheating with spy gate. 

But, you go back to the early 2000's and late 2000's. I don't think Belichick ever had a defensive squad lower than rank five or eight at the minimum when they made those Superbowl run's. They also ran Corey Dillion into the dirt one season after he left the Bengals for his chance at a ring. 

At any rate, RB's should be drafted early when your team is built like a brick [BLEEP] house and you have no use for any other upgrade on the roster. This team has not had that luxury for decades, and, hopefully in the near future they figure this part of the equation out.
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(09-10-2024, 09:11 AM)Caldrac Wrote:
(09-10-2024, 08:16 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Because good teams can plug in a guy to replace the best player in the League at the position and still get the same great results. If you plugged in the backup for Purdy the results would not be as good and you know this. It also helps a QB like Purdy to go to a team that's already successful as well, the 49rs haven't been anywhere near the dumpster fire the Jags were when Lawrence got here. Purdy would've been out of the League by now if he had come here instead of Lawrence. Purdy and Tom Brady are generational outliers in where they were drafted compared to their success, literally 22 years between the two with no one else like them in between. That's why your ignorance of statistics mars your analysis, you focus on outliers as if they are common when the evidence of history shows they are extremely rare.

To sum, running backs don't make bad teams good and good teams can pretty much use any running back. Good QBs can make bad teams competitive but bad QBs often ruin good teams. That's why QBs are worth the investment and running backs are not. Thus endeth the lesson.

A lot of folks casually gloss over the fact that a lot of Tom Brady's early success was also married to a great defensive unit and great defensive mind being coached by Belichick. Plus some luck with the tuck rule, and, some pretty shady practices of cheating with spy gate. 

But, you go back to the early 2000's and late 2000's. I don't think Belichick ever had a defensive squad lower than rank five or eight at the minimum when they made those Superbowl run's. They also ran Corey Dillion into the dirt one season after he left the Bengals for his chance at a ring. 

At any rate, RB's should be drafted early when your team is built like a brick [BLEEP] house and you have no use for any other upgrade on the roster. This team has not had that luxury for decades, and, hopefully in the near future they figure this part of the equation out.

Exactly, running backs are window dressing not foundation.
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