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Welcome Brian Thomas Jr. Jags new star receiver


(08-25-2024, 08:07 PM)Jag149 Wrote:
(08-25-2024, 05:33 PM)Eric1 Wrote: I didn't post the video for the fantasy line or whatever he said. I posted it so people could see his routes and how easy he gets open.

Plus he only had like 13 plays with Lawrence this preseason so it's a very small sample size there.

Yea I get it. Definitely a great start for the kid.  I am still disappointed Atlanta did not play their starters. It would have given us a better yard stick.

We got enough, you expect your starters to manhandle a crew of mostly backup guys. They did just that.

I can remember years of preseasons where coaches would keep the starters in until we had a successful drive, and next thing you know it's halftime and the starters are still out there and getting shoved around.
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(08-26-2024, 08:41 AM)Mikey Wrote:
(08-25-2024, 08:07 PM)Jag149 Wrote: Yea I get it. Definitely a great start for the kid.  I am still disappointed Atlanta did not play their starters. It would have given us a better yard stick.

We got enough, you expect your starters to manhandle a crew of mostly backup guys. They did just that.

I can remember years of preseasons where coaches would keep the starters in until we had a successful drive, and next thing you know it's halftime and the starters are still out there and getting shoved around.

I remember that well.  We'd have our starters out there, getting shoved around, and the coaching staff would keep them in there, hoping for something good to happen, and they'd finally give up, and let the backups get shoved around.  And then the coaches would say all the usual, it's preseason, it's a process, we weren't game planning, we just want to see improvement, blah blah blah, and then I and other people would come on the message board and defend the coaches and defend the players, and defend the process, we're building for the future, Rome wasn't built in a day, this guy caught a pass, this guy made a tackle, we have a lot of young players, Blaine's going to be great, Byron's going to be great, Blake's going to be great, just give it time, blah blah blah blah blah.  For how long, 10 years?
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I know it's early, but I think BTJ is already better than Ridley. We'll see how it plays out this year and next, but damn if the tacks didn't probably do us a favor by coming over the top with their offer because I'm not sure we select BTJ in the draft if we sign Ridley. Thanks to Ridley for taking the money as well. At this moment, it just seems like a very fortunate series of events when at the time of Ridley's signing it felt a little painful for most Jags fans.
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BTJ had 4 targets in his debut with Lawrence having 4 passing attempts. I want to see that target output doubled against Cleveland. In particular, quick slants and drag routes. Prescott and Lamb had their way with that secondary early with those routes.

Denzel Ward is still a respectable defender. I wouldn't test him too much, but, they should give Davis a few go routes in his direction to clear out the underneath stuff. I don't care how confident this team is in Harrison or Robinson. If Garrett is out there, you [BLEEP] chip him. Every. Time. You chip him.
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The guy had a great first half of his first regular season game. I do not know why he was not targeted in the second half of the game.
Respect the game.  Play with a sense of urgency. 


1.)  Take care of the ball.  Win the turnover battle.

2.)  It's all about 3rd down.  Win on 3rd down to win the game.

3.) Playmakers make plays.  The only reason that you put your uniform on is to make plays. In order to EARN your paycheck, you must make plays.  

Learn from the great collapse of 2023.  
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(09-09-2024, 11:43 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: I know it's early, but I think BTJ is already better than Ridley.  We'll see how it plays out this year and next, but damn if the tacks didn't probably do us a favor by coming over the top with their offer because I'm not sure we select BTJ in the draft if we sign Ridley.  Thanks to Ridley for taking the money as well.  At this moment, it just seems like a very fortunate series of events when at the time of Ridley's signing it felt a little painful for most Jags fans.

They are different players but BTj is definitely the more physically talented. If he can be technically as good as Ridley and be better at knowing the playbook then he might become the best we've ever had. We've looked for the next Jimmy Smith for 20 years, it's possible that he's finally here.
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I can't wait for his first deep ball play
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I think BTJ may be the real deal.

He's already exceeding my expectations for rookie performance.

Hope he stays on this trajectory.
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(09-11-2024, 07:21 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: I think BTJ may be the real deal.

He's already exceeding my expectations for rookie performance.

Hope he stays on this trajectory.

He's the real deal, not a doubt in my mind.
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(09-11-2024, 07:26 PM)Eric1 Wrote:
(09-11-2024, 07:21 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: I think BTJ may be the real deal.

He's already exceeding my expectations for rookie performance.

Hope he stays on this trajectory.

He's the real deal, not a doubt in my mind.
100% the real deal.

Just need the Oline to pass block.

I think Trevor was even surprised with how good he was week 1. Play action pass and Trev was gonna hit the crosser but saw BTJ toast Ramsey (that felt good) and was like “oh snap. Let’s toss it up there!”
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Not even a question he's the real deal. And he punked Ramsey. That was sweet.
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4 targets in one half is trash. When you have a Bugatti Chiron at WR in your line-up he should be getting 3-4 targets per quarter.
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(09-12-2024, 08:36 AM)Caldrac Wrote: 4 targets in one half is trash. When you have a Bugatti Chiron at WR in your line-up he should be getting 3-4 targets per quarter.

R-E-L-A-X man...it's going to be ok.
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(09-12-2024, 09:25 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(09-12-2024, 08:36 AM)Caldrac Wrote: 4 targets in one half is trash. When you have a Bugatti Chiron at WR in your line-up he should be getting 3-4 targets per quarter.

R-E-L-A-X man...it's going to be ok.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTJimULOzZ0
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(09-12-2024, 08:36 AM)Caldrac Wrote: 4 targets in one half is trash. When you have a Bugatti Chiron at WR in your line-up he should be getting 3-4 targets per quarter.

I'd like to see him continue getting targets too, but let's look at the second half of that game...

There was only one sustained drive by the Jags offense. 
The Jags couldn't get off the starting block offensively that half. 

Will BTJ become someone they look to (as much as they trust Kirk and Engram) to get drives started and to move the chains on 3rd and medium?  

Probably.

Is it understandable that they aren't there yet in week one of his rookie year? 

Yes. 

I bet if they didn't have 4 or 5 quickly stalled drives in the second half he'd have had targets. 

They doubled down on the run in the second half because it had been efficient in the first half and history tells us that often gets better, not worse, in the second half as the defense gets a bit gassed. 
That did not happen. The Jags run game became ineffective and they stuck with it too long instead of changing strategy. 

IMO, some of those first and second down runs from the second half may have been better off as passes, but there was also some garbage run blocking taking place as well that should have been better. 

Pick your poison I guess.
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(09-12-2024, 09:35 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(09-12-2024, 08:36 AM)Caldrac Wrote: 4 targets in one half is trash. When you have a Bugatti Chiron at WR in your line-up he should be getting 3-4 targets per quarter.

I'd like to see him continue getting targets too, but let's look at the second half of that game...

There was only one sustained drive by the Jags offense. 
The Jags couldn't get off the starting block offensively that half. 

Will BTJ become someone they look to (as much as they trust Kirk and Engram) to get drives started and to move the chains on 3rd and medium?  

Probably.

Is it understandable that they aren't there yet in week one of his rookie year? 

Yes. 

I bet if they didn't have 4 or 5 quickly stalled drives in the second half he'd have had targets. 

They doubled down on the run in the second half because it had been efficient in the first half and history tells us that often gets better, not worse, in the second half as the defense gets a bit gassed. 
That did not happen. The Jags run game became ineffective and they stuck with it too long instead of changing strategy. 

IMO, some of those first and second down runs from the second half may have been better off as passes, but there was also some garbage run blocking taking place as well that should have been better. 

Pick your poison I guess.

Run game was efficient on 1st and 10+ yards. Throughout the course of the game, it was not effective on any of the down and distances that were 3 yards or less. At any rate. I sound like a broken record on this topic. 

All I know, is that, when you have a WR making $24M this year, a LT making $21M this year, a QB making $15M this year, a RG making $11M this year, a TE making $7M this year and then you signed a deep ball TD specialist that's making $4.7M this year and you drafted a guy that led the FBS in 17 TD's last year and had the 2nd fastest 40 time at the combine with his size?

You might want to figure out a way in balancing out your play calls to where the passing game feeds better off the running game. Especially when you know it's not effective, at any point in the game, on 3rd and 4th short yardage situations. I am at least glad to see that you see that, and that's where a lot of the frustration is coming from. 

I know, I know. It's Week One, yadda, yadda, yadda. BUT... if we had won one of those very winnable games in September of last year? Especially against the Chiefs? We would have won the division and made it as a 4th seed at the very minimum. It's just frustrating. And while I can respect a lot of you having the ability to reserve said frustrations, we know it's there, lingering, just dying to boil over from the back burner. 

We'll see. I just hope the play calling stays aggressive and they don't clam up like they did in Miami. Especially after a turnover. It just feels like sometimes this offense is encased in a fully body suit of plaster cast with just one little area that's always itching to be scratched, and just when you think they're working their way towards said itch?

They drop the [BLEEP] stick and leave you feeling teased. It's driving me insane man. I want to see this offense take off already. I want this team to win. I want them to kick [BLEEP] and chew bubble gum.
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(09-12-2024, 09:55 AM)Caldrac Wrote:
(09-12-2024, 09:35 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: I'd like to see him continue getting targets too, but let's look at the second half of that game...

There was only one sustained drive by the Jags offense. 
The Jags couldn't get off the starting block offensively that half. 

Will BTJ become someone they look to (as much as they trust Kirk and Engram) to get drives started and to move the chains on 3rd and medium?  

Probably.

Is it understandable that they aren't there yet in week one of his rookie year? 

Yes. 

I bet if they didn't have 4 or 5 quickly stalled drives in the second half he'd have had targets. 

They doubled down on the run in the second half because it had been efficient in the first half and history tells us that often gets better, not worse, in the second half as the defense gets a bit gassed. 
That did not happen. The Jags run game became ineffective and they stuck with it too long instead of changing strategy. 

IMO, some of those first and second down runs from the second half may have been better off as passes, but there was also some garbage run blocking taking place as well that should have been better. 

Pick your poison I guess.

Run game was efficient on 1st and 10+ yards. 
...


This is what I'm saying to you - that ^ wasn't the case in the second half. 

3 of their 5 drives in the second half began with a run of 2 yards or less on 1st down. 

4 of the 5 second downs went like this:
2 yard run
1 yard run
0 yard run
-4 yard sack

The second half was not the same for the run game minus two attempts that broke loose, one of which ended in a turnover. 

The offense laid an egg int he second half. 
We can quibble about whose poor execution affected them most and whether or not other play calls might have ended with better execution, but they can't keep going to the well with the run when it isn't working.  

Unfortunately they'll face a better secondary this week, so it isn't quite as simple as just letting Trevor air it out. 
Thought I expect they'll cautiously attempt to ramp his production up this week anyway.
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(09-12-2024, 10:32 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(09-12-2024, 09:55 AM)Caldrac Wrote: Run game was efficient on 1st and 10+ yards. 
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This is what I'm saying to you - that ^ wasn't the case in the second half. 

3 of their 5 drives in the second half began with a run of 2 yards or less on 1st down. 

4 of the 5 second downs went like this:
2 yard run
1 yard run
0 yard run
-4 yard sack

The second half was not the same for the run game minus two attempts that broke loose, one of which ended in a turnover. 

The offense laid an egg int he second half. 
We can quibble about whose poor execution affected them most and whether or not other play calls might have ended with better execution, but they can't keep going to the well with the run when it isn't working.  

Unfortunately they'll face a better secondary this week, so it isn't quite as simple as just letting Trevor air it out. 
Thought I expect they'll cautiously attempt to ramp his production up this week anyway.

The offense was fine until ETN fumbled the ball. They really weren't bad after as I've shown repeatedly since then, the simple lack of execution on the 1 yard attempts and Kirk's 3rd down drop were the problem.
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(09-12-2024, 10:43 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(09-12-2024, 10:32 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: This is what I'm saying to you - that ^ wasn't the case in the second half. 

3 of their 5 drives in the second half began with a run of 2 yards or less on 1st down. 

4 of the 5 second downs went like this:
2 yard run
1 yard run
0 yard run
-4 yard sack

The second half was not the same for the run game minus two attempts that broke loose, one of which ended in a turnover. 

The offense laid an egg int he second half. 
We can quibble about whose poor execution affected them most and whether or not other play calls might have ended with better execution, but they can't keep going to the well with the run when it isn't working.  

Unfortunately they'll face a better secondary this week, so it isn't quite as simple as just letting Trevor air it out. 
Thought I expect they'll cautiously attempt to ramp his production up this week anyway.

The offense was fine until ETN fumbled the ball. They really weren't bad after as I've shown repeatedly since then, the simple lack of execution on the 1 yard attempts and Kirk's 3rd down drop were the problem.

Right, and I've just added to the equation 7 early down plays in the second half that also failed in execution somehow.

Of the 10 plays on 1st or 2nd down in that half, 6 were runs of 2 yards or less and one was a sack. 

You don't have to pin the poor performance late in the game on two plays. Plenty of these poorly executed downs could have been chunk yardage chain movers.  

I think the wheels came off that offense in the second half outside of two pass plays and two chunk runs, they just flailed.
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