We haven't run D'Ernest Johnson out of town yet by costing us a TD on the illegal shift, have we?

A good and overlooked point there. The play caller ran something in short yardage that worked. But it was destroyed by 1 player making a mistake. Exactly the same as the safety, but folks wanna [BLEEP] about play calling as it it would fix these individual errors.

The eye test tells me our offensive line is the weakest part of our team.  They are not very good.  The aggravating thing is that since last season it was obvious, but so far, it appears we have failed to fix it.

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And yet, the call and concept were, again, perfect for the situation. So what that they went gun with no bells and whistles and blah blah blah. None of that mattered because everything about the play was perfect except for a distinct and obvious failure by one player who destroyed the entire thing, and it was a guy who was part of a [BLEEP] double team. That you're still trying to blame play calling for that is unreasonable, none of those things you mentioned would've prevented Cleveland from screaming "Ole`" as Wright ran right the [BLEEP] by him. BTj had two steps by his man; had the block happened the play is likely a touchdown and we're all ecstatic about how wonderfully drawn up that play was and what a great aggressive call our incredible Head Coach made. Instead we #becauseoline'd our way to a safety instead.

Thanks for your opinion.

I hope you know that no one agrees with you. You're 1% of the users on here that share this opinion.

Insanity: doing the samething over and over again and expecting different results. Pretty much sums Pederson coaching career in Jacksonville.

It's ok, what you call opinion is actually fact and I could not care 1 smidge less about what you think. Good talk.

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Thanks for your opinion.

I hope you know that no one agrees with you. You're 1% of the users on here that share this opinion.

Insanity: doing the samething over and over again and expecting different results. Pretty much sums Pederson coaching career in Jacksonville.

If you ignore the reality that our O-Line is not good, then every single call is going to be "perfect".  What a weird thing to say.  "Well, if everything worked perfectly, then it was the perfect call".  Please.  It's beyond ridiculous.

Please tell me you understand that an individual player blowing a play doesn't mean it was a bad call, right?

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Thanks for your opinion.

I hope you know that no one agrees with you. You're 1% of the users on here that share this opinion.

Insanity: doing the samething over and over again and expecting different results. Pretty much sums Pederson coaching career in Jacksonville.

If you ignore the reality that our O-Line is not good, then every single call is going to be "perfect".  What a weird thing to say.  "Well, if everything worked perfectly, then it was the perfect call".  Please.  It's beyond ridiculous.

Well, no one is saying that, but you do you. I give you about 7 more days until you can't restrain yourself anymore and we're back where you started.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

A good and overlooked point there. The play caller ran something in short yardage that worked. But it was destroyed by 1 player making a mistake. Exactly the same as the safety, but folks wanna [BLEEP] about play calling as it it would fix these individual errors.

The eye test tells me our offensive line is the weakest part of our team.  They are not very good.  The aggravating thing is that since last season it was obvious, but so far, it appears we have failed to fix it.

Failed to fix it?

According to OverTheCap.com, a site that tracks NFL player contracts, the Jaguars' offensive line's combined salary of $53,395,550 for the upcoming season ranks No. 1 in the NFL among teams at that position, just edging out the Cleveland Browns at $53,382,682.

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The eye test tells me our offensive line is the weakest part of our team.  They are not very good.  The aggravating thing is that since last season it was obvious, but so far, it appears we have failed to fix it.

Failed to fix it?

According to OverTheCap.com, a site that tracks NFL player contracts, the Jaguars' offensive line's combined salary of $53,395,550 for the upcoming season ranks No. 1 in the NFL among teams at that position, just edging out the Cleveland Browns at $53,382,682.

They failed to fix it.

That requires an explanation? 

They made two moves in the offseason, added some depth,  and after two games one of those new starters looks OK, the other looks bad, and the RG and RT have regressed since last season. 

So yes, they failed to fix it. Money spent doesn't mean [BLEEP].

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Failed to fix it?

According to OverTheCap.com, a site that tracks NFL player contracts, the Jaguars' offensive line's combined salary of $53,395,550 for the upcoming season ranks No. 1 in the NFL among teams at that position, just edging out the Cleveland Browns at $53,382,682.

They failed to fix it.

That requires an explanation? 

They made two moves in the offseason, added some depth,  and after two games one of those new starters looks OK, the other looks bad, and the RG and RT have regressed since last season. 

So yes, they failed to fix it. Money spent doesn't mean [BLEEP].

It sure does. They invested alot of money the oline. It's coaches responsibility to make it work.

Again

According to OverTheCap.com, a site that tracks NFL player contracts, the Jaguars' offensive line's combined salary of $53,395,550 for the upcoming season ranks No. 1 in the NFL among teams at that position, just edging out the Cleveland Browns at $53,382,682.

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If you ignore the reality that our O-Line is not good, then every single call is going to be "perfect".  What a weird thing to say.  "Well, if everything worked perfectly, then it was the perfect call".  Please.  It's beyond ridiculous.

Please tell me you understand that an individual player blowing a play doesn't mean it was a bad call, right?

No, they really don't.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

They failed to fix it.

That requires an explanation? 

They made two moves in the offseason, added some depth,  and after two games one of those new starters looks OK, the other looks bad, and the RG and RT have regressed since last season. 

So yes, they failed to fix it. Money spent doesn't mean [BLEEP].

It sure does. They invested alot of money the oline. It's coaches responsibility to make it work.

Again

According to OverTheCap.com, a site that tracks NFL player contracts, the Jaguars' offensive line's combined salary of $53,395,550 for the upcoming season ranks No. 1 in the NFL among teams at that position, just edging out the Cleveland Browns at $53,382,682.

LOL

If you spend money on the wrong guys and or positions, that ain't a "fix" 

I'm sure there are coaches out there assuredly that would get more out of the Jags OL, but there are WAYYYY too many obvious examples of these clowns just getting manhandled by the guy they are supposed to block. 
I have zero confidence in our OL coach, but I know a lot of the failure I'm seeing individually from our front 5 is not because he's that inept at his job.

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The eye test tells me our offensive line is the weakest part of our team.  They are not very good.  The aggravating thing is that since last season it was obvious, but so far, it appears we have failed to fix it.

Failed to fix it?

According to OverTheCap.com, a site that tracks NFL player contracts, the Jaguars' offensive line's combined salary of $53,395,550 for the upcoming season ranks No. 1 in the NFL among teams at that position, just edging out the Cleveland Browns at $53,382,682.

To me that is worse, as it would suggest the FO and Coaches don't talk enough get on the same page about players to targer and/or the FO/coaches are unable to identify the players that they need to succeed with their system. 

At this point in their Jags tenure, both are inexcusable. More so than "getting priced out of the market" or drafting the wrong guy as those things have more variables outside your control.

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Failed to fix it?

According to OverTheCap.com, a site that tracks NFL player contracts, the Jaguars' offensive line's combined salary of $53,395,550 for the upcoming season ranks No. 1 in the NFL among teams at that position, just edging out the Cleveland Browns at $53,382,682.

To me that is worse, as it would suggest the FO and Coaches don't talk enough get on the same page about players to targer and/or the FO/coaches are unable to identify the players that they need to succeed with their system. 

At this point in their Jags tenure, both are inexcusable. More so than "getting priced out of the market" or drafting the wrong guy as those things have more variables outside your control.

I think the HC and GM have different philosophies about OL in terms of scheme and the players/traits to fill it out - and that is part of the problem that has allowed it to linger in such a poor state despite expenditure.

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Our OL does nothing when they're beat either. They don't try and help. They just stand around and watch.

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We haven't run D'Ernest Johnson out of town yet by costing us a TD on the illegal shift, have we?

A good and overlooked point there. The play caller ran something in short yardage that worked. But it was destroyed by 1 player making a mistake. Exactly the same as the safety, but folks wanna [BLEEP] about play calling as it it would fix these individual errors.

Wasn't overlooked by me. Mentioned it at least twice around here in one or two threads.

How did they respond after that though? They settled for 3 right?

Our characteristically aggressive coach opted for 3 there instead of gambling on 4th down with homefield advantage.

After seeing Stefanski rub it in his face at least twice by that time with two of his OT's out on 4th down conversions.

Doesn't make much sense.

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We haven't run D'Ernest Johnson out of town yet by costing us a TD on the illegal shift, have we?

Both games were close enough that one of a variety of plays could have won the game for us.  What if Etienne doesn't fumble?  What if the Cleveland punter doesn't punt the ball out of bounds on the 1-yard line when we had momentum?  Really, we lost very close games to two good teams.

Correct. Which, despite my criticism on both, the players and the playcallers. I have not lost my faith. Especially with 15 games left...

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

They failed to fix it.

That requires an explanation? 

They made two moves in the offseason, added some depth,  and after two games one of those new starters looks OK, the other looks bad, and the RG and RT have regressed since last season. 

So yes, they failed to fix it. Money spent doesn't mean [BLEEP].

It sure does. They invested alot of money the oline. It's coaches responsibility to make it work.

Again

According to OverTheCap.com, a site that tracks NFL player contracts, the Jaguars' offensive line's combined salary of $53,395,550 for the upcoming season ranks No. 1 in the NFL among teams at that position, just edging out the Cleveland Browns at $53,382,682.

That's absurd. By that standard it's the coach's fault that Hugh Douglas was a flop.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

A good and overlooked point there. The play caller ran something in short yardage that worked. But it was destroyed by 1 player making a mistake. Exactly the same as the safety, but folks wanna [BLEEP] about play calling as it it would fix these individual errors.

The eye test tells me our offensive line is the weakest part of our team.  They are not very good.  The aggravating thing is that since last season it was obvious, but so far, it appears we have failed to fix it.

Weak against who? The Browns? A top defense? Hey, in week one? They were onto a 24 to 7 lead with less than 3 minutes in Q3 to go. Doug said the offensive line was imposing it's will in that one.

Other than Anton? The first and last plays of the game? The line did enough it felt like at times to get us back in the game or keep us in it.

We knew what to expect with Cleveland though.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

And yet, the call and concept were, again, perfect for the situation. So what that they went gun with no bells and whistles and blah blah blah. None of that mattered because everything about the play was perfect except for a distinct and obvious failure by one player who destroyed the entire thing, and it was a guy who was part of a [BLEEP] double team. That you're still trying to blame play calling for that is unreasonable, none of those things you mentioned would've prevented Cleveland from screaming "Ole`" as Wright ran right the [BLEEP] by him. BTj had two steps by his man; had the block happened the play is likely a touchdown and we're all ecstatic about how wonderfully drawn up that play was and what a great aggressive call our incredible Head Coach made. Instead we #becauseoline'd our way to a safety instead.

Thanks for your opinion.

I hope you know that no one agrees with you. You're 1% of the users on here that share this opinion.

Insanity: doing the samething over and over again and expecting different results. Pretty much sums Pederson coaching career in Jacksonville.

I am so sick of people saying that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.  That is not what insanity is.

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Guys, this is the Trevor Lawrence threat... We're getting off topic here...

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Thanks for your opinion.

I hope you know that no one agrees with you. You're 1% of the users on here that share this opinion.

Insanity: doing the samething over and over again and expecting different results. Pretty much sums Pederson coaching career in Jacksonville.

I am so sick of people saying that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.  That is not what insanity is.

They keep saying it over and over. They must be insane.

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The eye test tells me our offensive line is the weakest part of our team.  They are not very good.  The aggravating thing is that since last season it was obvious, but so far, it appears we have failed to fix it.

Weak against who? The Browns? A top defense? Hey, in week one? They were onto a 24 to 7 lead with less than 3 minutes in Q3 to go. Doug said the offensive line was imposing it's will in that one.

Other than Anton? The first and last plays of the game? The line did enough it felt like at times to get us back in the game or keep us in it.

We knew what to expect with Cleveland though.

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That is arguable.  But to me, having first and goal and then having our first play be a running play for negative yardage sums up last season.  And here we are again, and it's happening again.

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Guys, this is the Trevor Lawrence threat...  We're getting off topic here...

Is that an intimidating statement made in a Trevor Lawrence voice?

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