Well?

Yeah, I'm not going to explain disinformation to you 

Not worth my time

That's because there isn't any. Nothing in that article contradicts anything I said. You're just unduly smug.

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Not everyone. You for sure.

The truth is in the narrative. People don't like change... Change that is imposed on them by the government or businesses for their own interests. 20000 Haitians have ended up in that city getting handouts from the government while they look for work. That's almost 20 percent of the population.

There are definitely culture clashes going on. Most rumors are based on truth. Whether it's 100 percent true is largely irrelevant. The relevant part of this is lost in your smugness, not mine.

A sayy that with full acknowledgement that Trump has a duty to get the facts right. I just don't hold him to that standard because we already know who he is. It doesn't change the fact that cities shouldn't have this kind of change pushed on them by corporations and government officials. It doesn't change the fact that ordinary people can see that our government focuses on other issues besides the American people living here.

It's a travesty that these stories get caught up in the absurdities and never the realities. I'll say it again: Dems are so smart.

Oh. Almost forgot. Lol.

Lol.  You don't mind Trump lying because you already know he's a liar.  That is so funny.

How did you end up there, Marty?

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Yeah, I'm not going to explain disinformation to you 

Not worth my time

That's because there isn't any. Nothing in that article contradicts anything I said. You're just unduly smug.

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I'm smug because you're a moron.

Go back and read my post again and attempt to comprehend sentence by sentence. 

I didn't assign the term disinformation to the article or the topic. You've conflated my statements. 

I said we live in an age of disinformation and misinformation.

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Yeah, I'm not going to explain disinformation to you 

Not worth my time

That's because there isn't any. Nothing in that article contradicts anything I said. You're just unduly smug.

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Lol.  You don't mind Trump lying because you already know he's a liar.  That is so funny.

How did you end up there, Marty?

Because you said, "A sayy that with full acknowledgement that Trump has a duty to get the facts right. I just don't hold him to that standard because we already know who he is. "

My interpretation of that statement is that you think Trump shouldn't lie, but you don't hold him to that standard because you already know he is a liar.  

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Not everyone. You for sure.

The truth is in the narrative. People don't like change... Change that is imposed on them by the government or businesses for their own interests. 20000 Haitians have ended up in that city getting handouts from the government while they look for work. That's almost 20 percent of the population.

There are definitely culture clashes going on. Most rumors are based on truth. Whether it's 100 percent true is largely irrelevant. The relevant part of this is lost in your smugness, not mine.

A sayy that with full acknowledgement that Trump has a duty to get the facts right. I just don't hold him to that standard because we already know who he is. It doesn't change the fact that cities shouldn't have this kind of change pushed on them by corporations and government officials. It doesn't change the fact that ordinary people can see that our government focuses on other issues besides the American people living here.

It's a travesty that these stories get caught up in the absurdities and never the realities. I'll say it again: Dems are so smart.

Oh. Almost forgot. Lol.

Yes, thanks for confirming how [BLEEP] stupid and gullible you are. 

We are living in an age of supreme dis/misinformation but you are dumb enough to lick it right up from the palms of your fear mongering masters. 

I hope they give you a pat on the head and a scratch behind the ears.

BTW - since you are clearly uninformed as per usual the Haitian influx targeted that area due to demand for workers and have helped revive the struggling community. 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/haitian...024-09-11/

That's because there isn't any. Nothing in that article contradicts anything I said. You're just unduly smug.

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I'm smug because you're a moron.

Go back and read my post again and attempt to comprehend sentence by sentence. 

I didn't assign the term disinformation to the article or the topic. You've conflated my statements. 

I said we live in an age of disinformation and misinformation.

So, in one post, you are saying I am repeating disinformation, even though I said specifically that a rumor is often based in truth. A rumor is something that spreads that is of doubtful truth. Based in truth does not mean it IS truth. When Hollywood says based on a true story, do you think that's 100% factual? No, because you're not stupid unless you're posting in the political section. I'm sorry you are so myopic in your thinking that you can't reasonably contextualize my text here. 

Then, when I ask you to show me the disinformation, you bold something you didn't understand and paste an article that doesn't disagree with any of my premises while LOLing your way right past the point that I was making in the first place: That you and your idiot comrades are too busy chasing the debunkable story that you're missing the narrative that's driving it. People don't believe their government is working for them and IT'S NOT! The rumor is irrelevant.

How you thought I was asking you to define disinformation is beyond me, but it's a waste of time to address that train wreck of a thought. Look, I even conceded that Trump shouldn't be repeating it, but that's not even good enough for you to avoid jerking yourself off all over this thread. 

The reality is Trump is a man of the people because he gets his news the same as the people. He saw in on the computer or TV. He feels the same sentiment as the people and repeats it. You can call that lying if you want, but it's more ignorance, and it's what I expect of the dude. I don't care because the problem IS the government. With Trump, you are going to get a very rich, but informed populist. With Kamala, you're going to get a polished liar who will get rich on the taxpayer dime by selling us down the river. The latter is FAR more offensive to me than the first (which is the actual takeaway, Marty).

Our government does not work for us, and you're too busy patting yourself on the back because you "proved" a rumor wasn't true. That's super helpful. The nation thanks you for your service. You're the real hero.

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Yes, thanks for confirming how [BLEEP] stupid and gullible you are. 

We are living in an age of supreme dis/misinformation but you are dumb enough to lick it right up from the palms of your fear mongering masters. 

I hope they give you a pat on the head and a scratch behind the ears.

BTW - since you are clearly uninformed as per usual the Haitian influx targeted that area due to demand for workers and have helped revive the struggling community. 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/haitian...024-09-11/

I'm smug because you're a moron.

Go back and read my post again and attempt to comprehend sentence by sentence. 

I didn't assign the term disinformation to the article or the topic. You've conflated my statements. 

I said we live in an age of disinformation and misinformation.

So, in one post, you are saying I am repeating disinformation, even though I said specifically that a rumor is often based in truth. A rumor is something that spreads that is of doubtful truth. Based in truth does not mean it IS truth. When Hollywood says based on a true story, do you think that's 100% factual? No, because you're not stupid unless you're posting in the political section. I'm sorry you are so myopic in your thinking that you can't reasonably contextualize my text here. 

Then, when I ask you to show me the disinformation, you bold something you didn't understand and paste an article that doesn't disagree with any of my premises while LOLing your way right past the point that I was making in the first place: That you and your idiot comrades are too busy chasing the debunkable story that you're missing the narrative that's driving it. People don't believe their government is working for them and IT'S NOT! The rumor is irrelevant.

How you thought I was asking you to define disinformation is beyond me, but it's a waste of time to address that train wreck of a thought. Look, I even conceded that Trump shouldn't be repeating it, but that's not even good enough for you to avoid jerking yourself off all over this thread. 

The reality is Trump is a man of the people because he gets his news the same as the people. He saw in on the computer or TV. He feels the same sentiment as the people and repeats it. You can call that lying if you want, but it's more ignorance, and it's what I expect of the dude. I don't care because the problem IS the government. With Trump, you are going to get a very rich, but informed populist. With Kamala, you're going to get a polished liar who will get rich on the taxpayer dime by selling us down the river. The latter is FAR more offensive to me than the first (which is the actual takeaway, Marty).

Our government does not work for us, and you're too busy patting yourself on the back because you "proved" a rumor wasn't true. That's super helpful. The nation thanks you for your service. You're the real hero.

You are a VERY confused person. 

I'm sorry you vomited that word salad for nothing. 

I'll make it easier for you by breaking it down. 

I said we live in an age of disinformation and misinformation. 
We do. 
We are bombarded by it from every angle via internet and media of all sorts. 
Please don't tell me you have issue with that basic truth. 

You have repeatedly shown an affinity to lap it up like a starved kitten when you've advanced unfounded garbage on this MB on at least 7 occasions I can actually think of and certainly many more I've ignored. 

Was the Haitians eating pets thing technically one or the other? Mis...? dis...? 

Not worth arguing over - it was garbage either way and I never labeled it either.

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So, in one post, you are saying I am repeating disinformation, even though I said specifically that a rumor is often based in truth. A rumor is something that spreads that is of doubtful truth. Based in truth does not mean it IS truth. When Hollywood says based on a true story, do you think that's 100% factual? No, because you're not stupid unless you're posting in the political section. I'm sorry you are so myopic in your thinking that you can't reasonably contextualize my text here. 

Then, when I ask you to show me the disinformation, you bold something you didn't understand and paste an article that doesn't disagree with any of my premises while LOLing your way right past the point that I was making in the first place: That you and your idiot comrades are too busy chasing the debunkable story that you're missing the narrative that's driving it. People don't believe their government is working for them and IT'S NOT! The rumor is irrelevant.

How you thought I was asking you to define disinformation is beyond me, but it's a waste of time to address that train wreck of a thought. Look, I even conceded that Trump shouldn't be repeating it, but that's not even good enough for you to avoid jerking yourself off all over this thread. 

The reality is Trump is a man of the people because he gets his news the same as the people. He saw in on the computer or TV. He feels the same sentiment as the people and repeats it. You can call that lying if you want, but it's more ignorance, and it's what I expect of the dude. I don't care because the problem IS the government. With Trump, you are going to get a very rich, but informed populist. With Kamala, you're going to get a polished liar who will get rich on the taxpayer dime by selling us down the river. The latter is FAR more offensive to me than the first (which is the actual takeaway, Marty).

Our government does not work for us, and you're too busy patting yourself on the back because you "proved" a rumor wasn't true. That's super helpful. The nation thanks you for your service. You're the real hero.

You are a VERY confused person. 

I'm sorry you vomited that word salad for nothing. 

I'll make it easier for you by breaking it down. 

I said we live in an age of disinformation and misinformation. 
We do. 
We are bombarded by it from every angle via internet and media of all sorts. 
Please don't tell me you have issue with that basic truth. 

You have repeatedly shown an affinity to lap it up like a starved kitten when you've advanced unfounded garbage on this MB on at least 7 occasions I can actually think of and certainly many more I've ignored. 

Was the Haitians eating pets thing technically one or the other? Mis...? dis...? 

Not worth arguing over - it was garbage either way and I never labeled it either.

He doesn't believe in truth, he believes in narrative. And he insists he must believe that because long ago the Marxists gave up their pursuit of truth and embraced narrative, and to fail to engage them on that level is unilateral disarmament.  If you don't see this you are either deluded or attempting to delude him, he says.

And, cards on the table, he's not totally wrong.  We as individuals do decide that certain truths are meaningful, and others are not, and we take our meaningful truths and build narratives with them.  Some of the Marxists that remain out there in the field have indeed embraced storytelling rather than academic argument as their vehicle of persuasion.  He has decided to assign meaning to this small number of Marxists and dedicate himself to countering them.  I don't begrudge him that.

Where I draw the line is, don't lie! Select your truths, sure, but don't embrace lies.  He doesn't draw the line there.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Well?

Start here:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/20...igrants-a/

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Ugh. I don't give a [BLEEP] about a fact checker.

NYC and I are not having a debate about whether or not cats are being eaten by Haitians. I'm attacking the ignorant left for missing the reason WHY so many people fall for the narrative in the first place. You guys who like to applaud yourself for being above the fray (while also ignoring the fact that half of your buddies think Trump hired someone to fake shoot himself) are failing to understand what's causing these divides.

Mikey is half right. The narrative IS more important to address than the truth, not because the truth is less important than the narrative, but because what is true is harder and harder to discern. He's wrong in saying I embrace lies: I don't. I'm just honest about prioritizing my values. Trump lies. Kamala lies. Twitter lies. The deep state lies (and yes, there is a deep state, and if you think there isn't, that's just one lie you believe for convenience). Your mom lies when she shares a meme. Your kid is lying when they think they are a they/them.

Everyone is lying these days, but you guys don't acknowledge that you're being lied to. Therefore, you believe one side is tainted and your pure. You're not.

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Ugh. I don't give a [BLEEP] about a fact checker.

NYC and I are not having a debate about whether or not cats are being eaten by Haitians. I'm attacking the ignorant left for missing the reason WHY so many people fall for the narrative in the first place. You guys who like to applaud yourself for being above the fray (while also ignoring the fact that half of your buddies think Trump hired someone to fake shoot himself) are failing to understand what's causing these divides.

Mikey is half right. The narrative IS more important to address than the truth, not because the truth is less important than the narrative, but because what is true is harder and harder to discern. He's wrong in saying I embrace lies: I don't. I'm just honest about prioritizing my values. Trump lies. Kamala lies. Twitter lies. The deep state lies (and yes, there is a deep state, and if you think there isn't, that's just one lie you believe for convenience). Your mom lies when she shares a meme. Your kid is lying when they think they are a they/them.

Everyone is lying these days, but you guys don't acknowledge that you're being lied to. Therefore, you believe one side is tainted and your pure. You're not.

Sorry that you cannot tell a lie and a truth.

That sounds like a you problem. Maybe learn how to research effiecetively

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Thanks for that keen insight. /sarcasm

You can collect your participation trophy on the way out.

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You are a VERY confused person. 

I'm sorry you vomited that word salad for nothing. 

I'll make it easier for you by breaking it down. 

I said we live in an age of disinformation and misinformation. 
We do. 
We are bombarded by it from every angle via internet and media of all sorts. 
Please don't tell me you have issue with that basic truth. 

You have repeatedly shown an affinity to lap it up like a starved kitten when you've advanced unfounded garbage on this MB on at least 7 occasions I can actually think of and certainly many more I've ignored. 

Was the Haitians eating pets thing technically one or the other? Mis...? dis...? 

Not worth arguing over - it was garbage either way and I never labeled it either.

He doesn't believe in truth, he believes in narrative. And he insists he must believe that because long ago the Marxists gave up their pursuit of truth and embraced narrative, and to fail to engage them on that level is unilateral disarmament.  If you don't see this you are either deluded or attempting to delude him, he says.

And, cards on the table, he's not totally wrong.  We as individuals do decide that certain truths are meaningful, and others are not, and we take our meaningful truths and build narratives with them.  Some of the Marxists that remain out there in the field have indeed embraced storytelling rather than academic argument as their vehicle of persuasion.  He has decided to assign meaning to this small number of Marxists and dedicate himself to countering them.  I don't begrudge him that.

Where I draw the line is, don't lie! Select your truths, sure, but don't embrace lies.  He doesn't draw the line there.

One more thing on this (and good job, Mikey), it's not a small number of Marxists. This didn't even fall out of the Marx tree. 

Narrative driven language in constructing truth was developed by Michel Foucault. He looked at the power of language in creating world views. It's post-modern in its thought, which was born from disillusioned Marxists when it was clear that Communism wasn't the answer. I have said repeatedly that I don't think I'm fighting Marxism. I'm fighting what I call techno-feudalism. Authority figures have co-opted the tools of Marxist radicals to focus and further entrench their power. 

Bottom line: You will not clean up narrative driven movements until you are aware the elites are the problem.

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Wait, what? I guess I had it backwards. I thought the Pets were eating the Haitians. All part of the Border Czar's plan to control immigration.

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