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Trevor Lawrence: Franchise QB (TL Discussion, Merged Threads)
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(09-20-2024, 02:06 PM)carp8dm Wrote:(09-20-2024, 12:02 PM)Caldrac Wrote: https://youtu.be/YCR1QfMWV6M?si=gidSPMYGKXMYOuvD He doesn't roll anywhere. LOL He stays between the hash. Why Trevor spins himself that way (making you misinterpret it as rolling) is likely nothing or little to do with play design. Probably a mistake on his part or a feeble attempt to look off the zone coverage. It didn't work, and the browns simply played really good defense. They were rated a top 3 secondary preseason and they look like it. My twitter feed is full of morons lambasting play designs that are just fine but the snap was simply well defended. There are also a few good examples of plays that are pretty lame, could be better, but this isn't one of them. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (09-20-2024, 02:18 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:(09-20-2024, 02:06 PM)carp8dm Wrote: The play at the 5 minute mark of the video is one many Jags Youtubers have been criticizing regarding play design. If you notice on the play action, Lawrence rolls around to be first looking towards left. The only problem? There were no recievers on the left side of the field!!! Literally, none. So his first read out of the play action is to the empty side of the field!! He then has to reset to look towards his recievers on the right. rolling, spinning. Excuse me that I didn't use your correct dialect. My point is his first look/read is to an empty side of the field. LOL (09-20-2024, 02:20 PM)carp8dm Wrote:(09-20-2024, 02:18 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: He doesn't roll anywhere. LOL Rolling means something very different than what he did He just made a weak attempt to look off the coverage. They didn't bite. Defense outplayed us. End of analysis. (09-20-2024, 02:25 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:(09-20-2024, 02:20 PM)carp8dm Wrote: rolling, spinning. Excuse me that I didn't use your correct dialect. It's a terrible play design. Period. You being pedantic doesn't change that his first look out of the play action is towards an empty side of the field. End of analysis. Trying to defend a terrible design is silly. Again, sorry for not saying "spinning". (09-20-2024, 02:06 PM)carp8dm Wrote:Meh. That was a bad read and throw there to Davis. He had some time there.(09-20-2024, 12:02 PM)Caldrac Wrote: https://youtu.be/YCR1QfMWV6M?si=gidSPMYGKXMYOuvD I am more concerned with him missing BTJ running a quick in route with a natural rub being developed by the slot receiver running an out route. That's at the 4:00 minute mark. Inside the redzone. He has to make that read there 1st and make that throw. That's wide open in my opinion. I would like to see him doing more rollout's, QB sprints and bootlegs though to get him away from pressure a .5 second or so longer to make a bigger play. Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk ![]() "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king." We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (09-20-2024, 02:31 PM)Caldrac Wrote:(09-20-2024, 02:06 PM)carp8dm Wrote: The play at the 5 minute mark of the video is one many Jags Youtubers have been criticizing regarding play design. If you notice on the play action, Lawrence rolls around to be first looking towards left. The only problem? There were no recievers on the left side of the field!!! Literally, none. So his first read out of the play action is to the empty side of the field!! He then has to reset to look towards his recievers on the right.Meh. That was a bad read and throw there to Davis. He had some time there. We did a lot of boot legs and roll outs in 2022. W've completely gotten away from that, unless Lawrence scrambles. Some quick slants up the middle would also be nice to see.
On the 5:00 minute play? He motioned BTJ over from left to right. It was zone coverage.
He had another receiver running a go route and isolated with the outside corner. I think that's just a bad read. I am willing to bet, as the SS did there. He sat on that inside route which would have allowed that go route to be isolated. EDIT: Looking back at it further? He had zone. Motioned BTJ from left to right. Davis had his corner and the safety biting down on his in route. BTJ looked about a step ahead on his defender along the sideline. Gotta let that one rip in my opinion and let BTJ go out and get it. Play call was fine there. Trevor just missed it. Grabbed a screenshot. Circled BTJ in yellow for reference. ![]() Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk ![]() "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."
09-20-2024, 02:41 PM
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(09-20-2024, 02:36 PM)Caldrac Wrote: On the 5:00 minute play? He motioned BTJ over from left to right. It was zone coverage. https://www.reddit.com/r/Jaguars/comment...y_designs/ You know what, I got the plays wrong... Check out the above video at the 1 minute mark. I got the 2 plays mixed up. My bad! But it's weird how similar they both are... I still would argue it's the play design that's the problem on both. EDIT: Trigger Warning: The youtuber calls the play action "rolling"...
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09-20-2024, 02:47 PM
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(09-20-2024, 02:41 PM)carp8dm Wrote:Yeah. This I agree with. It's something I referenced yesterday with options. Especially on shortage downs with pass plays.(09-20-2024, 02:36 PM)Caldrac Wrote: On the 5:00 minute play? He motioned BTJ over from left to right. It was zone coverage. Should be BTJ as a deep ball threat or screen option. Kirk as his best route runner running drags, slants and curls. Engram as a move TE to help figure out the coverage on defense. Strange or Farrell as the 2nd TE to motion into the backfield as lead blocker or potential safety valve. Etienne as a safety valve at HB if he checks off the run call or needs him as an extra blocker. Incorporate Washington, Davis or Duvernay as the 2nd WR option based on defensive personnel and blitz beater needs. Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk ![]() "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."
Basically looking for either a good old fashioned ACE set or Twin Tight End set on short yardage situations or the good old fashioned Joe Gibbs H-Back set. Just with more RPO baked in for Lawrence and hopefully the staff having it baked in quickly so he can get out of the huddle with 20 seconds on the clock to read and motion his guys around.
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I'm waiting for the reverse tush push jags style
Legendary technique on 3rd and inches (09-20-2024, 02:55 PM)Caldrac Wrote: Basically looking for either a good old fashioned ACE set or Twin Tight End set on short yardage situations or the good old fashioned Joe Gibbs H-Back set. Just with more RPO baked in for Lawrence and hopefully the staff having it baked in quickly so he can get out of the huddle with 20 seconds on the clock to read and motion his guys around. I was watching the Sounds from the Game of the Jags-Chargers playoff game earlier. The 4th and short run by Etienne was a brilliant playcall. We had 3 players lined up at RB. We had that brilliant playcall for JRob the year before @Chargers on a 4th and 1 that went like 50yds for a TD. Doug used to have some creative ideas for short yardage runs but lately it just seems to be up the gut or a toss and hope Etienne wins with speed. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(09-20-2024, 08:00 PM)JagFan81 Wrote:Harbaugh has the Chargers lining up with eight offensive lineman at times and they're averaging close to 200 YPG on the ground.(09-20-2024, 02:55 PM)Caldrac Wrote: Basically looking for either a good old fashioned ACE set or Twin Tight End set on short yardage situations or the good old fashioned Joe Gibbs H-Back set. Just with more RPO baked in for Lawrence and hopefully the staff having it baked in quickly so he can get out of the huddle with 20 seconds on the clock to read and motion his guys around. This is what frustrates me about our offense. How often do we hear the following phrase around the NFL? "It's a game of match up's" or "the game is won or lost by individual battles". The shortage yardage situation is the bane of this team's existence on offense. They have to get back to basics in these situations by simply simplifying their approach, personnel and concepts. If you can't get 4 yards on 2nd and 3, or, you can't get 1.5 yards on 3rd and 1? Why are you running the football out of a spread formation or single back formation where you know your base five cannot handle the opponent's base seven? You need more beef up front. You need more misdirection. You need more options. Add more TE's, add more HB motion, give your QB a puncher's chance by getting him up to the LOS faster to read and react. It's common sense and I am tired of seeing it commonly complicated for this offense. Especially with this staff. Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk ![]() "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."
One thing I’d love Trevor to work relentlessly on is his pocket presence and feel.
There’s been a lot of videos going around now of Brady and his pocket mobility and man is it so good. I never realized during his prime just how well he navigated messy pockets
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We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (09-20-2024, 10:37 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: Good breakdown I know I am quoting myself but in this Video it shows plenty of Lawrence questionable decision making. He was throwing the ball to guys just blanketed multi times in the game. I get to many that Lawrence is the best thing since sliced bread but we got to start facing reality here. If Lawrence does not start playing better sooner or later we will be looking for another QB. Time to stop pointing the Fingers at everyone else and point the finger at the QB. He isn't playing horrible but no where near justifying that contract. (09-21-2024, 05:38 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: One thing I’d love Trevor to work relentlessly on is his pocket presence and feel. You give me Brady back then with this Roster I bet my entire bank it's a Dynasty. We have a better RB group and receiving group than Brady every had outside of Randy Moss(short lived).
09-21-2024, 05:58 PM
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(09-21-2024, 05:45 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote:(09-20-2024, 10:37 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: Good breakdown Brady and this roster sounds great! But with Press as the OC that's game planning, scheming for the week's opponent, creating play designs, calling plays, and "making half-time adjustments"? I'm not so sure... You give me an OC from the Shannahan coaching tree, or the Leflour coaching tree, or the McVay coaching tree and I bet Trevor Lawrence would actually be living up to the potential we saw in 2022. (09-21-2024, 05:58 PM)carp8dm Wrote:Man. So much this.(09-21-2024, 05:45 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: I know I am quoting myself but in this Video it shows plenty of Lawrence questionable decision making. McVay/Shanny/LaFleur and Lawrence would be exactly the ticket for this franchise. Coaches who can actually scheme and game plan well. “But what about the OLine!” Well, McVay and Lefluer been doing it for years. |
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