Cleveland is the 23rd highest paid guard

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/_/...e/dir/desc

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Right, so you were wrong about Ezra Cleveland. 

And if he stays on this course of play he will be "living up to his contract" 
There are 30 interior linemen making more money than Ezra Cleveland in 2024.

How am I wrong about Cleveland lol? I think he can be better than the 32nd ranked guard but if thats what he ends up I was absolutely right.  Thats not what I want for this oline.  You think Walker was the right pick and I didnt like the Cleveland extension because I thought we could do better there.  We shall see how it turns out.  Cleveland has looked Ok so far.   I dont want ok for Trevor.  As far far as what Cleveland is making, you have to look at his guaranteed money and average salary not just what he is making this year but you might want to go check the posts on when we signed him because actually  liked the contract.

I'll repeat myself since you are asking questions I already answered.
You were wrong on Cleveland because:

You said he would not return to form, and it looks like he has. (hopefully he can keep improving - it's early yet)
You said we "did nothing at left guard" when we added an upgrade over our 2022 and 2023 starters. 
Then you said you wanted him to play up to his contract and he already is. 

And I've already looked at those numbers on the contract. Those details make Cleveland even more of a bargain.

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Cleveland is the 23rd highest paid guard

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/_/...e/dir/desc

And the 31st highest paid IOL as I already stated.

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They were kind to us.

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I wonder if a trade or two could be worked out.

For who and for what? I always find this idea funny. I really do. How often do we see a big blockbuster trade with offensive lineman mid season in the NFL? Why would ANY team, in a pass happy era at that? Be willing to fork over one of their five starting offensive lineman that are of good enough quality to start at a good level for them?

Again, our solutions are in this building already. Comes from within. Nobody from the outside is coming in here to save us. They have to go back and look at how they managed to overcome this poor line play like they did in 2022 and 2023. Luckily for them, they don't have to play Myles Garrett every week or get into a shootout with an MVP bound QB. 

We all knew the start of this season was going to be difficult. MIA, CLE and BUF. Those are all three play-off teams from last year, regardless of how we see it now, and the QB play, etc. It does not erase the fact that those three teams, they all managed to do something this team couldn't do and this staff couldn't do. CONSECUTIVELY at that. 

Do people not realize that? You guys realize that Miami and Buffalo have been in the play-off's two consecutive years or more, or at least off and on. Including Cleveland off and on. With three different QB's in and out of the line-up, etc. 

Yes. It's frustrating. Maybe time to relax a little bit. Maybe get up in arms again if they [BLEEP] around and lose to teams like Chicago, the tacks and even the clots. I saw a team get it's [BLEEP] kicked by three of the better teams in the AFC overall. That shouldn't be taken for granted. It really shouldn't. Again, this is a subpar team, it's been subpar the last two years. They're not good enough to keep pace with the above average teams yet. 

Falls on Baalke more than anybody for mismanaging salary cap space and draft picks.

What matters is if you want to be the best you have to beat the best.  I am glad that we are facing hard opponents, that way we know who we really are.  We may face some of those same opponents in the playoffs. If we can't beat them we do not deserve to be there.

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How am I wrong about Cleveland lol? I think he can be better than the 32nd ranked guard but if thats what he ends up I was absolutely right.  Thats not what I want for this oline.  You think Walker was the right pick and I didnt like the Cleveland extension because I thought we could do better there.  We shall see how it turns out.  Cleveland has looked Ok so far.   I dont want ok for Trevor.  As far far as what Cleveland is making, you have to look at his guaranteed money and average salary not just what he is making this year but you might want to go check the posts on when we signed him because actually  liked the contract.

I'll repeat myself since you are asking questions I already answered.
You were wrong on Cleveland because:

You said he would not return to form, and it looks like he has. (hopefully he can keep improving - it's early yet)
You said we "did nothing at left guard" when we added an upgrade over our 2022 and 2023 starters. 
Then you said you wanted him to play up to his contract and he already is. 

And I've already looked at those numbers on the contract. Those details make Cleveland even more of a bargain.

You repeat something that makes no sense.  

Cleveland has played 3 games on his contract how in the hell has he lived up to it?  lol

Hes the 32nd ranked guard and he is the 23 highest paid G, thats not living up to the contract yet. 

I wanted the best protection possible for Trevor and I didnt think that was Cleveland.  When the contract details came out I liked the signing being I thought the contract was going to be bigger than what was given.  I haven't said one thing bad about Cleveland this year but he hasn't returned to form yet or he would be a top 10 G.  When he becomes that guy then it will be a great signing.  

Hutch is playing the the Defensive MVP this year yet Walker has made you forget his name and you think Walker was the right pick.  You think I was wrong on wanting Hutch as well so this makes sense.

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I'll repeat myself since you are asking questions I already answered.
You were wrong on Cleveland because:

You said he would not return to form, and it looks like he has. (hopefully he can keep improving - it's early yet)
You said we "did nothing at left guard" when we added an upgrade over our 2022 and 2023 starters. 
Then you said you wanted him to play up to his contract and he already is. 

And I've already looked at those numbers on the contract. Those details make Cleveland even more of a bargain.

You repeat something that makes no sense.  

Cleveland has played 3 games on his contract how in the hell has he lived up to it?  lol

Hes the 32nd ranked guard and he is the 23 highest paid G, thats not living up to the contract yet. 

I wanted the best protection possible for Trevor and I didnt think that was Cleveland.  When the contract details came out I liked the signing being I thought the contract was going to be bigger than what was given.  I haven't said one thing bad about Cleveland this year but he hasn't returned to form yet or he would be a top 10 G.  When he becomes that guy then it will be a great signing.  

Hutch is playing the the Defensive MVP this year yet Walker has made you forget his name and you think Walker was the right pick.  You think I was wrong on wanting Hutch as well so this makes sense.

LOL

You are something else. 

Ezra's contract is a bargain if he stays on his current level of play, dude.
 His salary rank and pff grades don't need to match each other. That's just silly. 
We'll see how he shakes out this season. 

The Walker / Hutch argument is stupid and doesn't belong in this thread. Take it elsewhere.
You're also misrepresenting my comments on the topic.

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You repeat something that makes no sense.  

Cleveland has played 3 games on his contract how in the hell has he lived up to it?  lol

Hes the 32nd ranked guard and he is the 23 highest paid G, thats not living up to the contract yet. 

I wanted the best protection possible for Trevor and I didnt think that was Cleveland.  When the contract details came out I liked the signing being I thought the contract was going to be bigger than what was given.  I haven't said one thing bad about Cleveland this year but he hasn't returned to form yet or he would be a top 10 G.  When he becomes that guy then it will be a great signing.  

Hutch is playing the the Defensive MVP this year yet Walker has made you forget his name and you think Walker was the right pick.  You think I was wrong on wanting Hutch as well so this makes sense.

LOL

You are something else. 

Ezra's contract is a bargain if he stays on his current level of play, dude.
 His salary rank and pff grades don't need to match each other. That's just silly. 
We'll see how he shakes out this season. 

The Walker / Hutch argument is stupid and doesn't belong in this thread. Take it elsewhere.

You have taken a lot of L's as of late man and its ok.

I even think Cleveland can play better than he has because he has been a top 10 G at one point.  Will he?  Not sure  You are acting like Cleveland has been great when hes been average at best.  

You are the one that brought up the PFF grades and if you are using that as to how well he has been playing it doesnt match his contract.  Once again, I liked the contract when I seen the numbers and I havent said anything bad about Cleveland this year even when he got destroyed.  Hes been ok but he needs to be better as well but the problem lies at the tackle spots for the most part so far this year.  Im sorry im not jumping for joy for the way Cleveland has played so far and the safety week 2 was on him that if he blocked his guy we might have a win right now.

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https://twitter.com/The33rdTeamFB/status...1465916849

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I'll repeat myself since you are asking questions I already answered.
You were wrong on Cleveland because:

You said he would not return to form, and it looks like he has. (hopefully he can keep improving - it's early yet)
You said we "did nothing at left guard" when we added an upgrade over our 2022 and 2023 starters. 
Then you said you wanted him to play up to his contract and he already is. 

And I've already looked at those numbers on the contract. Those details make Cleveland even more of a bargain.

You repeat something that makes no sense.  

Cleveland has played 3 games on his contract how in the hell has he lived up to it?  lol

Hes the 32nd ranked guard and he is the 23 highest paid G, thats not living up to the contract yet. 

I wanted the best protection possible for Trevor and I didnt think that was Cleveland.  When the contract details came out I liked the signing being I thought the contract was going to be bigger than what was given.  I haven't said one thing bad about Cleveland this year but he hasn't returned to form yet or he would be a top 10 G.  When he becomes that guy then it will be a great signing.  

Hutch is playing the the Defensive MVP this year yet Walker has made you forget his name and you think Walker was the right pick.  You think I was wrong on wanting Hutch as well so this makes sense.

 
It's hubris.

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Robinson is worse than his usual below average self (PFF #59), Cleveland is ok (PFF #32), Morse is actually pretty good (PFF #10), the right side is catastrophically bad (PFF #58 and #70) . I can't imagine that Little, Tugboat and CVL would be much worse at this point.

Here's that that looks like by position in front to Trevor and the RBs:

DAMN - 32 - 10 - OH - SNAP

Another way to look at it

Cap hits
21.9m - 11.5m - 2.6m - 3.6m - 2.9m

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

LOL

You are something else. 

Ezra's contract is a bargain if he stays on his current level of play, dude.
 His salary rank and pff grades don't need to match each other. That's just silly. 
We'll see how he shakes out this season. 

The Walker / Hutch argument is stupid and doesn't belong in this thread. Take it elsewhere.

You have taken a lot of L's as of late man and its ok.

I even think Cleveland can play better than he has because he has been a top 10 G at one point.  Will he?  Not sure  You are acting like Cleveland has been great when hes been average at best.  

You are the one that brought up the PFF grades and if you are using that as to how well he has been playing it doesnt match his contract.  Once again, I liked the contract when I seen the numbers and I havent said anything bad about Cleveland this year even when he got destroyed.  Hes been ok but he needs to be better as well but the problem lies at the tackle spots for the most part so far this year.  Im sorry im not jumping for joy for the way Cleveland has played so far and the safety week 2 was on him that if he blocked his guy we might have a win right

https://twitter.com/pff_jaguars/status/1...Ie5OPeqkhg


So by your whack-job logic - he's outplaying his contract?

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You have taken a lot of L's as of late man and its ok.

I even think Cleveland can play better than he has because he has been a top 10 G at one point.  Will he?  Not sure  You are acting like Cleveland has been great when hes been average at best.  

You are the one that brought up the PFF grades and if you are using that as to how well he has been playing it doesnt match his contract.  Once again, I liked the contract when I seen the numbers and I havent said anything bad about Cleveland this year even when he got destroyed.  Hes been ok but he needs to be better as well but the problem lies at the tackle spots for the most part so far this year.  Im sorry im not jumping for joy for the way Cleveland has played so far and the safety week 2 was on him that if he blocked his guy we might have a win right

https://twitter.com/pff_jaguars/status/1...Ie5OPeqkhg


So by your whack-job logic - he's outplaying his contract?

You do know part of his job is to run block as well right?  Especially at the guard spot.  Hes the 23rd highest paid G and hes the 32nd ranked guard.  So if you want to nickpick, no he isn't living up to his contract if you want to go by what you go by in the pff grade.

You can think hes been playing great all you want but he's been playing ok, he's been decent. The tackles are the biggest problem right now.  


  
He has a 66.4 pff grade
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/ezra-cleveland/41973

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https://twitter.com/pff_jaguars/status/1...Ie5OPeqkhg


So by your whack-job logic - he's outplaying his contract?

You do know part of his job is to run block as well right?  Especially at the guard spot.  Hes the 23rd highest paid G and hes the 32nd ranked guard.  So if you want to nickpick, no he isn't living up to his contract if you want to go by what you go by in the pff grade.

You can think hes been playing great all you want but he's been playing ok, he's been decent. The tackles are the biggest problem right now.  


  
He has a 66.4 pff grade
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/ezra-cleveland/41973

So you were wrong when you said we did nothing at left guard. 

Stop moving the goalposts and stop putting words in my mouth I never said.

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Cleveland is not so much the problem here. It's both tackles and Scherff. To see Anton fall off the map like he has is alarming. I expected as much from Robinson and Scherff. Those 3 particular spots on the OL need to get settled asap before the season plummets.

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Cleveland is not so much the problem here. It's both tackles and Scherff. To see Anton fall off the map like he has is alarming. I expected as much from Robinson and Scherff. Those 3 particular spots on the OL need to get settled asap before the season plummets.

I think Harrison was beginning to rebound vs the bills before getting hurt. He's been practicing limited, so maybe we'll have him back in a week or two and see better play from him. 

Little was horrible at RT and Cam is playing like a bad backup. 
No idea how to fix that. 
Gonna have to get the ball out quicker.

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https://twitter.com/pff_jaguars/status/1...Ie5OPeqkhg


So by your whack-job logic - he's outplaying his contract?

You do know part of his job is to run block as well right?  Especially at the guard spot.  Hes the 23rd highest paid G and hes the 32nd ranked guard.  So if you want to nickpick, no he isn't living up to his contract if you want to go by what you go by in the pff grade.

You can think hes been playing great all you want but he's been playing ok, he's been decent. The tackles are the biggest problem right now.  


  
He has a 66.4 pff grade
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/ezra-cleveland/41973

Lol, oh brother.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

You do know part of his job is to run block as well right?  Especially at the guard spot.  Hes the 23rd highest paid G and hes the 32nd ranked guard.  So if you want to nickpick, no he isn't living up to his contract if you want to go by what you go by in the pff grade.

You can think hes been playing great all you want but he's been playing ok, he's been decent. The tackles are the biggest problem right now.  


  
He has a 66.4 pff grade
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/ezra-cleveland/41973

So you were wrong when you said we did nothing at left guard. 

Stop moving the goalposts and stop putting words in my mouth I never said.

You move your own goal posts and you put your own foot in your mouth.  Good lord dude.  I knew we did something.  I keep up with all the Jags signings lol.  I knew about the Cleveland signing.  I even made a comment saying I liked the contract after the details, gonlook in the FA thread.  I don't remember saying we did nothing.  I know about all Jags signings.  I keep up with all teams in this league as well not just the Jags, i know what goes on around the league.

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Cleveland is not so much the problem here. It's both tackles and Scherff. To see Anton fall off the map like he has is alarming. I expected as much from Robinson and Scherff. Those 3 particular spots on the OL need to get settled asap before the season plummets.

I think Harrison was beginning to rebound vs the bills before getting hurt. He's been practicing limited, so maybe we'll have him back in a week or two and see better play from him. 

Little was horrible at RT and Cam is playing like a bad backup. 
No idea how to fix that. 
Gonna have to get the ball out quicker.

This. In bold. That's it really. The ball needs to be in and out, Lawrence has to play perfectly and they'll need him to improvise with his mobility or by design to buy him time for a bigger play to develop.

Back to 2022, 2023 basically. Do the best you can with what you have. If they manage another subpar .500 record, it's Baalke's head that needs to roll in December or January.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Cleveland is not so much the problem here. It's both tackles and Scherff. To see Anton fall off the map like he has is alarming. I expected as much from Robinson and Scherff. Those 3 particular spots on the OL need to get settled asap before the season plummets.

I think Harrison was beginning to rebound vs the bills before getting hurt. He's been practicing limited, so maybe we'll have him back in a week or two and see better play from him. 

Little was horrible at RT and Cam is playing like a bad backup. 
No idea how to fix that. 
Gonna have to get the ball out quicker.

I hate that Anton has been dinged up this year. it's difficult to tell what's related to that and what isn't. He's about 6 weeks post-concussion (8/12), so it's possible he's just getting right in the head, but the knee thing just piles on.

I've said I think it should be 3 different linemen this week, and nothing is really changing that opinion so far.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

So you were wrong when you said we did nothing at left guard. 

Stop moving the goalposts and stop putting words in my mouth I never said.

You move your own goal posts and you put your own foot in your mouth.  Good lord dude.  I knew we did something.  I keep up with all the Jags signings lol.  I knew about the Cleveland signing.  I even made a comment saying I liked the contract after the details, gonlook in the FA thread.  I don't remember saying we did nothing.  I know about all Jags signings.  I keep up with all teams in this league as well not just the Jags, i know what goes on around the league.

You characterized the signing as "doing nothing" - you and the tinhorn troll both did in the same discussion

I'll find the post for you later so you'll quit acting like you didn't bash the move

Let's move on - it's a nonfactor in the bigger scheme of real issues

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You move your own goal posts and you put your own foot in your mouth.  Good lord dude.  I knew we did something.  I keep up with all the Jags signings lol.  I knew about the Cleveland signing.  I even made a comment saying I liked the contract after the details, gonlook in the FA thread.  I don't remember saying we did nothing.  I know about all Jags signings.  I keep up with all teams in this league as well not just the Jags, i know what goes on around the league.

You characterized the signing as "doing nothing" - you and the tinhorn troll both did in the same discussion

I'll find the post for you later so you'll quit acting like you didn't bash the move

Let's move on - it's a nonfactor in the bigger scheme of real issues

I didn't like the move, after the contract details I liked it much more though.  I thought his contract was going to be bigger than it was on top of being a risk with his injury. 

 If we could go back i would still rather draft Frazier or Beebe in the 2nd, 2 players i was very high on in the draft and they can play C or G on cheap rookie contracts. Both are also playing at a high level already as rookies.   With that said he's here now and its good to see him playing decent and hopefully he can stay healthy.

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