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Trevor Lawrence: Franchise QB (TL Discussion, Merged Threads)


(09-29-2024, 04:22 PM)carp8dm Wrote:
(09-29-2024, 04:19 PM)Caldrac Wrote: Overpaid and underperforming. Fixing to be a long 5 years with this guy.

We're basically a very poor man's version of the 49ers team that Baalke built over a decade ago.

Khan needs to clean house by the end of December. Seen enough of this [BLEEP]. Tired of it.

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He's paid fine.  He's underperforming.  He's being coached by an inept coaching staff that has no idea how to use their players or how to develop them.

Lawrence had a terrible 1st half.  But the players did enough in the 2nd half to win the game.  This loss isn't on the QB.  It's on the completely inept coaching staff.  On both sides of the ball.  We're never going to get the true potential of Trevor Lawrence with this current coaching staff.

That's just the bottom line.

At some point you have to stop blaming the coaching staff and also blame the players not executing... including Trevor.
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(09-29-2024, 04:23 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(09-29-2024, 04:12 PM)enigma Wrote: CJ Stroud: 27/40 345 yards 2 TDs 0 INTs

Trevy Trev: 17/31 178 yards 2 TDs 0 INTs

The numbers don't tell the story.  You have to watch the game
LOL. Yeah, it'll say Lawrence is a [BLEEP] loser when he has time in the pocket and wide open receivers for TD's.

That's what it will say. This offensive line held it's own very well today against the best leading pass rushing tandem through three weeks in Hunter and Anderson.

He [BLEEP] the bed and he's trash. Done defending Sunshine Brett Favre. Every [BLEEP] pass with this kid, whether it's the 5 yard out, a 10 yard seam or 50 yard go is on a [BLEEP] frozen rope.

Done defending this [BLEEP].

[BLEEP] Lawrence. [BLEEP] Baalke. [BLEEP] Pederson. [BLEEP] Khan. They can take that brand new stadium, turn it sideways and stick it straight up their candy [BLEEP].

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."
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(09-29-2024, 04:28 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote:
(09-29-2024, 04:22 PM)carp8dm Wrote: He's paid fine.  He's underperforming.  He's being coached by an inept coaching staff that has no idea how to use their players or how to develop them.

Lawrence had a terrible 1st half.  But the players did enough in the 2nd half to win the game.  This loss isn't on the QB.  It's on the completely inept coaching staff.  On both sides of the ball.  We're never going to get the true potential of Trevor Lawrence with this current coaching staff.

That's just the bottom line.

At some point you have to stop blaming the coaching staff and also blame the players not executing... including Trevor.

How about all of them, and the GM for putting duds on the field year after year? This team is getting blown up and we are starting over, again. Does anyone have any confidence that we are going to get a competent staff after this coming firesale?
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(09-29-2024, 04:21 PM)Caldrac Wrote: Should back out of that stadium deal.

[BLEEP] him.

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(09-29-2024, 04:20 PM)nhiverson Wrote: That's crazy.

We should have kicked the field goal or not run the guy who ran 50 yards on the next play and that killing the clock drive they should have just ran 3 times.
Makes me sick. He missed a wide open BTJ and Kirk today. Just inexcusable.

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Stroud had two ugly overthrows today too, one of which would have lost the game missing that score. 

Difference? His team rallied with him to make plays. And strouds coaches put him in a position to succeed. 

Today was first time this year I can see an argument for Trevor having a major share rather then minor one. But in 4th quarter, everyone crapped the bed. Doug P I am sick of his stupid obsession with gambling in 4th down when you need to take the freakin points. Press calling three straight runs with your gassed RB when meanwhile on the same situation the Texans have stroud a rollout with options, something we didn’t see a single time today. 

The team is done, but with hope we get a coach who actually coaches to Trevor’s strengths. Who is creative. 

We won’t thought. Everything this franchise touches turns to dirt.
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(09-29-2024, 04:28 PM)Caldrac Wrote:
(09-29-2024, 04:23 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: The numbers don't tell the story.  You have to watch the game
LOL. Yeah, it'll say Lawrence is a [BLEEP] loser when he has time in the pocket and wide open receivers for TD's.

That's what it will say. This offensive line held it's own very well today against the best leading pass rushing tandem through three weeks in Hunter and Anderson.

He [BLEEP] the bed and he's trash. Done defending Sunshine Brett Favre. Every [BLEEP] pass with this kid, whether it's the 5 yard out, a 10 yard seam or 50 yard go is on a [BLEEP] frozen rope.

Done defending this [BLEEP].

[BLEEP] Lawrence. [BLEEP] Baalke. [BLEEP] Pederson. [BLEEP] Khan. They can take that brand new stadium, turn it sideways and stick it straight up their candy [BLEEP].

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Aight I'll see ya next week
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(This post was last modified: 09-29-2024, 04:32 PM by SamusAranX.)

(09-29-2024, 04:28 PM)Caldrac Wrote:
(09-29-2024, 04:23 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: The numbers don't tell the story.  You have to watch the game
LOL. Yeah, it'll say Lawrence is a [BLEEP] loser when he has time in the pocket and wide open receivers for TD's.

That's what it will say. This offensive line held it's own very well today against the best leading pass rushing tandem through three weeks in Hunter and Anderson.

He [BLEEP] the bed and he's trash. Done defending Sunshine Brett Favre. Every [BLEEP] pass with this kid, whether it's the 5 yard out, a 10 yard seam or 50 yard go is on a [BLEEP] frozen rope.

Done defending this [BLEEP].

[BLEEP] Lawrence. [BLEEP] Baalke. [BLEEP] Pederson. [BLEEP] Khan. They can take that brand new stadium, turn it sideways and stick it straight up their candy [BLEEP].

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Then leave and don’t let the door hit you in the way out Caldrac. Don’t support this team. Trevor will move on next year either via trade or the jags eating massive dead cap to tank and rebuild. Doesn’t get better from here

(09-29-2024, 04:29 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote:
(09-29-2024, 04:28 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: At some point you have to stop blaming the coaching staff and also blame the players not executing... including Trevor.

How about all of them, and the GM for putting duds on the field year after year? This team is getting blown up and we are starting over, again. Does anyone have any confidence that we are going to get a competent staff after this coming firesale?

I don’t. 

And I love the fans wanting to exile TL when our past history of QB drafts has been atrocious. If they think it’s bad now, we’re about to return to the Gus days
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(This post was last modified: 09-29-2024, 04:35 PM by Caldrac.)

(09-29-2024, 04:31 PM)SamusAranX Wrote:
(09-29-2024, 04:28 PM)Caldrac Wrote: LOL. Yeah, it'll say Lawrence is a [BLEEP] loser when he has time in the pocket and wide open receivers for TD's.

That's what it will say. This offensive line held it's own very well today against the best leading pass rushing tandem through three weeks in Hunter and Anderson.

He [BLEEP] the bed and he's trash. Done defending Sunshine Brett Favre. Every [BLEEP] pass with this kid, whether it's the 5 yard out, a 10 yard seam or 50 yard go is on a [BLEEP] frozen rope.

Done defending this [BLEEP].

[BLEEP] Lawrence. [BLEEP] Baalke. [BLEEP] Pederson. [BLEEP] Khan. They can take that brand new stadium, turn it sideways and stick it straight up their candy [BLEEP].

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Then leave and don’t let the door hit you in the way out Caldrac. Don’t support this team. Trevor will move on next year either via trade or the jags eating massive dead cap to tank and rebuild. Doesn’t get better from here
[BLEEP] you too Mandy Laurian. Also, it's on*, not in. My [BLEEP] is too tight for a door to fit in there. Unlike the leads this line team up from time to time.

This team is garbage. Defend the dog [BLEEP] if you want. Ticket holders keep this turd afloat. Not the players.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."
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(09-29-2024, 04:24 PM)Caldrac Wrote: Nix, Daniels and Williams are all rookies with 2 win teams at QB and we're 0 - 4 with a QB making over a quarter of a billion dollars...

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Nix has a great HC.

Daniels has a HC that is competent in doing what's best with the players he has and a really good young OC that knows how to run a modern NFL offense.

Williams, eh, I'm not sold on him, but at least their coaching staff is competent.

Trevor Lawrence has had terrible coaching 3 of the 4 years he's been here.

He misses Cooter.  I think you can tell.
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(09-29-2024, 04:28 PM)Caldrac Wrote:
(09-29-2024, 04:23 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: The numbers don't tell the story.  You have to watch the game
LOL. Yeah, it'll say Lawrence is a [BLEEP] loser when he has time in the pocket and wide open receivers for TD's.

That's what it will say. This offensive line held it's own very well today against the best leading pass rushing tandem through three weeks in Hunter and Anderson.

He [BLEEP] the bed and he's trash. Done defending Sunshine Brett Favre. Every [BLEEP] pass with this kid, whether it's the 5 yard out, a 10 yard seam or 50 yard go is on a [BLEEP] frozen rope.

Done defending this [BLEEP].

[BLEEP] Lawrence. [BLEEP] Baalke. [BLEEP] Pederson. [BLEEP] Khan. They can take that brand new stadium, turn it sideways and stick it straight up their candy [BLEEP].

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You can't tell that by just looking at stats.  BTJ should have had 3 TDs in the 1st quarter alone
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(09-29-2024, 04:31 PM)SamusAranX Wrote:
(09-29-2024, 04:28 PM)Caldrac Wrote: LOL. Yeah, it'll say Lawrence is a [BLEEP] loser when he has time in the pocket and wide open receivers for TD's.

That's what it will say. This offensive line held it's own very well today against the best leading pass rushing tandem through three weeks in Hunter and Anderson.

He [BLEEP] the bed and he's trash. Done defending Sunshine Brett Favre. Every [BLEEP] pass with this kid, whether it's the 5 yard out, a 10 yard seam or 50 yard go is on a [BLEEP] frozen rope.

Done defending this [BLEEP].

[BLEEP] Lawrence. [BLEEP] Baalke. [BLEEP] Pederson. [BLEEP] Khan. They can take that brand new stadium, turn it sideways and stick it straight up their candy [BLEEP].

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Then leave and don’t let the door hit you in the way out Caldrac. Don’t support this team. Trevor will move on next year either via trade or the jags eating massive dead cap to tank and rebuild. Doesn’t get better from here

(09-29-2024, 04:29 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: How about all of them, and the GM for putting duds on the field year after year? This team is getting blown up and we are starting over, again. Does anyone have any confidence that we are going to get a competent staff after this coming firesale?

I don’t. 

And I love the fans wanting to exile TL when our past history of QB drafts has been atrocious. If they think it’s bad now, we’re about to return to the Gus days

Trevor's play is making us miss Minshew and even Bortles LOL

I am a fan, not a cheerleader.
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Good QB’s don’t miss the throws he’s been missing, I mean dude, how much did he just get paid?
"If you always do what you've always done, You'll always get what you always got"
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He sucked today.
Is what it is. He's regressed and doesn't show signs of breaking out of it.

Ownership is likely gonna try to salvage him by pairing him with a new offense and staff.
(I would - the big money hasn't kicked in yet and he's 24)

Until then - it'll be a roller coaster with more troughs than peaks.

Buckle up for 13 more weeks of disappointment with brief interjections of excitement.
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(This post was last modified: 09-29-2024, 06:56 PM by SamusAranX.)

(09-29-2024, 04:32 PM)Caldrac Wrote:
(09-29-2024, 04:31 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: Then leave and don’t let the door hit you in the way out Caldrac. Don’t support this team. Trevor will move on next year either via trade or the jags eating massive dead cap to tank and rebuild. Doesn’t get better from here
[BLEEP] you too Mandy Laurian. Also, it's on*, not in. My [BLEEP] is too tight for a door to fit in there. Unlike the leads this line team up from time to time.

This team is garbage. Defend the dog [BLEEP] if you want. Ticket holders keep this turd afloat. Not the players.

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I agree it’s a garbage team. 

I just think that you should maybe try to just let it be. You’re a good and reasonable poster and you’re wanting to sell one of the few positives we had down the river this year. 

Trevor is in a funk. Maybe he’s super self conscious about turnovers. Maybe he’s betting set up with crap calls. Maybe he’s in his own head. But we’ve seen what he can do and for whatever reason, that fateful night on Monday against our fellow cats….something changed. But he’s the best we’ve had at QB in a long time (a low bar no doubt) and also can light it up. We’ve seen that. But the coaches changed up everything. Doug has crapped the bed. So while Trevor needs to improve, I don’t know if he can in this crap fest. Try to have some perspective. Because if we send Trevor packing it will get a whole LOT worse

(09-29-2024, 06:51 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: He sucked today.
Is what it is. He's regressed and doesn't show signs of breaking out of it.

Ownership is likely gonna try to salvage him by pairing him with a new offense and staff.
(I would - the big money hasn't kicked in yet and he's 24)

Until then - it'll be a roller coaster with more troughs than peaks.

Buckle up for 13 more weeks of disappointment with brief interjections of excitement.

This is where I’m at. I think he’ll go on and eventually have a solid career. I just don’t think it will be here

(09-29-2024, 04:37 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote:
(09-29-2024, 04:31 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: Then leave and don’t let the door hit you in the way out Caldrac. Don’t support this team. Trevor will move on next year either via trade or the jags eating massive dead cap to tank and rebuild. Doesn’t get better from here


I don’t. 

And I love the fans wanting to exile TL when our past history of QB drafts has been atrocious. If they think it’s bad now, we’re about to return to the Gus days

Trevor's play is making us miss Minshew and even Bortles LOL

Minshew somehow had WORSE stats today. I don’t miss him. 

Bortles lol. 

But proving my point for me. There’s no help coming if you think the jury is in on Trevor. This team can’t draft QBs
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I've been saying it since last season. This coaching staff has done no favors to any of the players.

This was a game the players toughed out. The players were making mistakes in the 1st half, but they gutted out a win.

The coaches took this game away from them.

It's been this way for 2 seasons now. This is not a good coaching staff.

With that said... "Cooter served as passing game coordinator with the Jacksonville Jaguars in 2022. The Jaguars offense finished in the top 10 in yards per game (357.4 – 10th), passing yards per game (232.9 – 10th), fewest sacks allowed (28 – fifth), first downs per game (20.7 – tied-seventh), third down percentage (41.86 – ninth) and points per game (23.8 – 10th).

He worked with Trevor Lawrence, who completed 387-of-584 passes for 4,113 yards with 25 touchdowns and eight interceptions for a 95.2 passer rating. Lawrence also compiled five rushing touchdowns en route to being named to his first career Pro Bowl. He ranked in the top 10 in completions (seventh), passing yards (ninth), passing touchdowns (tied-eighth), lowest interception percentage (1.4 – sixth) and passer rating (10th)."

Trevor misses good coaching.
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Love the revisionist history. Suddenly people are up
At arms about Jimbob Cooter not being here.

It’s like saying the reason our offense is struggling is we don’t have Marvin Jones at WR anymore.

Trevor caught a hot streak in 2022, and.. combined with his college resume and scouting report, made the decision makers go all in on him.
Hopefully he can salvage his play and career for our sake.

The only one to look at is Trevor.
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(09-29-2024, 06:51 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: He sucked today.
Is what it is. He's regressed and doesn't show signs of breaking out of it.

Ownership is likely gonna try to salvage him by pairing him with a new offense and staff.
(I would - the big money hasn't kicked in yet and he's 24)

Until then - it'll be a roller coaster with more troughs than peaks.

Buckle up for 13 more weeks of disappointment with brief interjections of excitement.

He didn't suck today.  What a ridiculous take.

He sucked in the 1st half.  He did good enough to win this game in the 2nd half.  It's not his fault that the coaches suck.

(09-29-2024, 07:26 PM)SuperJville Wrote: Love the revisionist history. Suddenly people are up
At arms about Jimbob Cooter not being here.

It’s like saying the reason our offense is struggling is we don’t have Marvin Jones at WR anymore.

Trevor caught a hot streak in 2022, and..  combined with his college resume and scouting report, made the decision makers go all in on him.
Hopefully he can salvage his play and career for our sake.

The only one to look at is Trevor.

What's the record of the clots right now?  And what's our record now?

Oh, and don't forget, Cooter made Minshew look pretty good last year with the clots too...  Minshew got a pro bowl nod last year...
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(09-29-2024, 07:26 PM)SuperJville Wrote: Love the revisionist history. Suddenly people are up
At arms about Jimbob Cooter not being here.

It’s like saying the reason our offense is struggling is we don’t have Marvin Jones at WR anymore.

Trevor caught a hot streak in 2022, and..  combined with his college resume and scouting report, made the decision makers go all in on him.
Hopefully he can salvage his play and career for our sake.

The only one to look at is Trevor.

Trevor and the Jags need to part ways and it would benefit both sides.  I was dissappointed the he resigned with the Jags this off season.
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(09-29-2024, 07:33 PM)PV=nRT Wrote:
(09-29-2024, 07:26 PM)SuperJville Wrote: Love the revisionist history. Suddenly people are up
At arms about Jimbob Cooter not being here.

It’s like saying the reason our offense is struggling is we don’t have Marvin Jones at WR anymore.

Trevor caught a hot streak in 2022, and..  combined with his college resume and scouting report, made the decision makers go all in on him.
Hopefully he can salvage his play and career for our sake.

The only one to look at is Trevor.

Trevor and the Jags need to part ways and it would benefit both sides.  I was dissappointed the he resigned with the Jags this off season.

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(09-29-2024, 07:28 PM)carp8dm Wrote:
(09-29-2024, 06:51 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: He sucked today.
Is what it is. He's regressed and doesn't show signs of breaking out of it.

Ownership is likely gonna try to salvage him by pairing him with a new offense and staff.
(I would - the big money hasn't kicked in yet and he's 24)

Until then - it'll be a roller coaster with more troughs than peaks.

Buckle up for 13 more weeks of disappointment with brief interjections of excitement.

He didn't suck today.  What a ridiculous take.

He sucked in the 1st half.  He did good enough to win this game in the 2nd half.  It's not his fault that the coaches suck.

(09-29-2024, 07:26 PM)SuperJville Wrote: Love the revisionist history. Suddenly people are up
At arms about Jimbob Cooter not being here.

It’s like saying the reason our offense is struggling is we don’t have Marvin Jones at WR anymore.

Trevor caught a hot streak in 2022, and..  combined with his college resume and scouting report, made the decision makers go all in on him.
Hopefully he can salvage his play and career for our sake.

The only one to look at is Trevor.

What's the record of the clots right now?  And what's our record now?

Oh, and don't forget, Cooter made Minshew look pretty good last year with the clots too...  Minshew got a pro bowl nod last year...

His two overthrows were crucial. No mincing that
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