you obviously haven't watched Mack play then

 

The thing is, I have.   A lot.  Not impressed.  The guy will be the biggest bust in this draft.  I hope the Jags stay away from him. 

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Also in the small group that likes Barr over Mack. Barr looks quicker and more athletic to me, better fit as a pass rushing LEO. Mack seems to fit better as a 4-3 LB. Just my opinion.

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To me it's literally a case of anything Barr can do Mack can do better. I have watched a lot of both of them, and I can't find a single thing that Barr does better than Mack. They have similar ceilings to me and maybe Barr's is slightly higher (maaaaaybe) because of his length, but Mack's floor and instant impact is so much greater. 

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The thing is, I have.   A lot.  Not impressed.  The guy will be the biggest bust in this draft.  I hope the Jags stay away from him. 

i really disagree with this  but i don't think he is a leo so i can understand how drafting him at 3 could be seen as a bit of a reach just because of the value of olbs compared to pass rushing de's.

 

I would still take him at 3 if clowney was off the board and the jags didn't believe in a qb especially as I think you can pick up better value at wideout than watkins later in the draft

 

i think if mack is used as an olb in 3-4 or 4-3 he will be one of the top lbs in the nfl fo

his game is exceptionally polished and he shows good discipline. He can work against the right tackle if needed and shed blocks in the second level to stop the run whilst he is solid in coverage and has the speed and size to work against rbs and tight ends

 

I think you put him at olb next to poz and make the most of his run d and coverage skills and rush him situationally moving him around to keep the qb on his toes. I think he can get you a baseline of 5 or 6 sacks a year whilst being an instant improvement in your run d and pass protection.

 

Added i think he can do that straight away if he is used right and considering what bradley did with branch I would expect him to use mack in a similar way

 

Pass rushers take time to develop and i think in 2014 you will see clowney and especially barr start off slow. We saw lewan do well against clowney in college and left tackles in the nfl will be of that standard or higher.

 

 Both have the physical tools to be incredible pass rushers in the nfl but both are raw and don't have the same repetoire of pass rushing moves as mack has. They get by in college by being just physically better than everyone else.

 

on topic, Barr's closing speed is incredible, if you run a stretch to the right and leave him unblocked he has the speed to get into the back field whilst he has tenacity and a motor to match.

 

That being said he is really unrefined as a pass rusher and a defensive player due to play it for 2 years.

When rushing he is like a car driving into a wall. He attacks is pushed back, attacks again and again and again then the wall breaks and he zips in for the sack. I have seen him use a spin move which was as graceful as some bint on the dance floor at 2am holding an empty vodka bottle

 

He will not produce straight away and most definitely needs the dion jordan treatment of situational play and getting up to speed before starting but he has all the physical tools to be incredible with the right coaching.

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Bradley has already said that he would use Mack as a LEO.

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Yes, he is an option. Should we pick him at 3? Absolutely not.

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I think Bridgewater at 3 is better value than Mack at 3, yes.

 

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Bradley has already said that he would use Mack as a LEO.

I know but that is a worry for me as I think Mack will struggle at Leo against NFL left tackles


No doubt Bradley knows how to utilise him much better than me but in my opinion putting him at Leo doesn't utilise other strong parts of his game

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Would any of you take Navarro Bowman at three knowing the player he is now? I know I would. An all pro player is an all pro player no matter the position outside of special teamers. I think Mack will be a high impact linebacker in the league.

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This guy has went from being overrated to underrated.  He is still raw with only 2 years at LB but the guy has tons of potential.  If we trade back and Mike Evans is gone I would be more than happy with Barr.

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I honestly wouldn't take him before Lawrence, Ford, or Attaochou...but that's just me. 

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I honestly wouldn't take him before Lawrence, Ford, or Attaochou...but that's just me.

yeah i think its just u

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yeah i think its just u

There is a perceived upside with Barr...but he sure didn't show it last year he looked pretty much the exact same as two years ago. All 3 that I mentioned are significantly better than Barr right now and I'm not sure Barr is gonna take that next step (or several steps really) that it will take to pass them in the future. It's possible he does sure, but I think I'll go with safer and still good upside in one of those 3 than risky with not a ton more upside with Barr.

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Barr has rare explosiveness, Mack doesn't. 

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There is a perceived upside with Barr...but he sure didn't show it last year he looked pretty much the exact same as two years ago. All 3 that I mentioned are significantly better than Barr right now and I'm not sure Barr is gonna take that next step (or several steps really) that it will take to pass them in the future. It's possible he does sure, but I think I'll go with safer and still good upside in one of those 3 than risky with not a ton more upside with Barr.

Yep ur wrong again, Attaochou and Lawrence are not better than Barr nor do they hav more upside. Barr looked good the last 2 yearsand this past year offense's knew about him and had to game plan around him. Next time you watch ur cuts up watch it with ur good eye

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I find myself agreeing with KY on this one. I've watched a lot on the OLBs in this draft, and none of them really even come close to Mack. Barr has great athleticism, but I couldn't find him get off a single block against the run. I personally am really high on Van Noy because he has the playmaker trait, so to speak (Mack does too). I also like Shazier - you wanna talk about athleticism, that guy runs like a corner, although he sometimes hits like one too.

 

I guess if we traded back to around 10 and picked up a future first, I could justify taking him, but... at 3? When one of Clowney, Watkins, or Mack is gonna be on the board? Can't see it.

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And, sorry for the repost, but saying he will be the biggest bust in this draft?

 

We don't even know where anyone is ending up, which has a HUGE impact on their success rates.

 

Also, you're saying he has a higher bust chance than Manziel, Bortles... heck even Logan Thomas. I don't get it.

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Yep ur wrong again, Attaochou and Lawrence are not better than Barr nor do they hav more upside. Barr looked good the last 2 yearsand this past year offense's knew about him and had to game plan around him. Next time you watch ur cuts up watch it with ur good eye

Honestly, the next time I see Barr use proper leverage, proper hand usage, better than average bend/dip, or better than average conversion of speed to power will be perhaps the first time. Barr is a great athlete and yes he has more pure upside than the 3 I mentioned...but I in no way would say he is better than them right now and all 3 of them have nice upside too. I think it's quite a bit more risk for not much more reward. 

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yeah i think its just u

 

I'd take Lawarence before Barr all day. That guy is going to be a stud. 

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And, sorry for the repost, but saying he will be the biggest bust in this draft?

 

We don't even know where anyone is ending up, which has a HUGE impact on their success rates.

 

Also, you're saying he has a higher bust chance than Manziel, Bortles... heck even Logan Thomas. I don't get it.

Yes I am saying he has a higher bust chance than JF and Bortles. 

 

Logan Thomas?  That guy shouldn't even be in the top 150 picks in the draft.  Not sure how he can be a bust.  I guess some idiotic team could pick him in the first round, and if that happens, sure I would say Thomas has the bigger bust potential.  But I would like to think that these people are kind of smart who are drafting these players. 

 

I have seen comparisons of Mack that he is the next Lawrence Taylor?  Come on now.  That is something "I don't get."

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I have seen comparisons of Mack that he is the next Lawrence Taylor?  Come on now.  That is something "I don't get."

 

Who made that comparison?

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