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***Official Gameday Jags vs Packers Thread***

(This post was last modified: 10-27-2024, 04:20 PM by SamusAranX.)

(10-27-2024, 04:15 PM)Caldrac Wrote:
(10-27-2024, 04:14 PM)raptor6581 Wrote: This defense has stolen the season from this team. The offense has been bad, but gotten better each week. They fought back numerous times today. The defense let the team down when needed most.
Lawrence received an INT today and gift wrapped it right back to them as an INT...

His fumble inside the 5 also hurt...

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Yes. 

But then he did what he was supposed to do and that is shake them off and bring the team back. 

Yet it’s not good enough for some 

I don’t think the people who dog on Trevor not being generation understand that there’s not a Mahomes Jackson or Allen laying out in the field for the picking. Especially with our history at QB drafting

Best Reddit post to sum it up

“ Press Taylor has done his job the last few weeks

Lawrence stepped up after struggling first 4 games

Pederson has somewhat rallied the offense

And who has consistently [BLEEP] the bag? Nielson”

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(10-27-2024, 04:16 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: Hines Allen on pace for 5 sacks on the year.

Now lets do the math on how many million dollars he's getting per sack.



Blaming Trevor on this is stupid. He did everything you need your starting QB to do. Turnovers happen to everyone. He put the team in a position to keep going, to win, and the defense, per standard, blew it.

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(10-27-2024, 04:16 PM)Dockerill91 Wrote:
(10-27-2024, 04:14 PM)WYjagsfan Wrote: Defence started good Offence was [BLEEP] and they reversed it at the end can never play well together  Wallbash

The defence didn’t start good at all!
They did Packers didn't score in the first quarter either but we had like 20 yards and no first downs


(10-27-2024, 04:12 PM)SeldomRite Wrote:
(10-27-2024, 04:11 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: Pick up the phone Khan, and fire Nielsen, now.

It would make you feel good, but would accomplish less than nothing.

Yeah what’s the worst that could happen? We could be 2-5?
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(10-27-2024, 04:16 PM)JagFan81 Wrote:
(10-27-2024, 04:14 PM)Caldrac Wrote: Lawrence as well bud. He had an INT that he decided to hand right back as an INT earlier today and that fumble inside the 5 yard line also led to a TD...

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Caldrac, I like you bud but if your putting this on Trevor I don't know what to say.

He got us back into the game twice and the D pissed it away. AGAIN.
It's a two way street. Period. His earlier mistakes hurt. 15 yards in 1 quarter? Didn't do anything on offense after the defense forced 3 - 5 punts in the 1st half.

They collectively suck and his 2 turnovers didn't help. Not defending him and kicking this defense down at the same time.

They ALL need to be tossed in the fire for this loss today. Including #16.

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(This post was last modified: 10-27-2024, 04:24 PM by JaguarJosh2. Edited 2 times in total.)

The team collectively sucks. Earlier in the tenure we didn't make many dumb mistakes that lose ourselves games, now we have blown coverages, turnovers, penalties, injuries, bad clock management to deal with. Losers are losing, despite being given a chance to correct it. I don't know how some of these coaches and coordinators don't just resign and save themselves the embarrassment.


(10-27-2024, 04:21 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: Blaming Trevor on this is stupid. He did everything you need your starting QB to do. Turnovers happen to everyone. He put the team in a position to keep going, to win, and the defense, per standard, blew it.

I mean the defense repeatedly stopped the Packers from scoring 7 on NUMEROUS drives while we couldn't muster a 1st down.

Let alone, the Jarrian Jones interception - just for Trev to gift it right back for the Packers inside our 20...



(10-27-2024, 04:23 PM)enigma Wrote:
(10-27-2024, 04:21 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: Blaming Trevor on this is stupid. He did everything you need your starting QB to do. Turnovers happen to everyone. He put the team in a position to keep going, to win, and the defense, per standard, blew it.

I mean the defense repeatedly stopped the Packers from scoring 7 on NUMEROUS drives while we couldn't muster a 1st down.

Let alone, the Jarrian Jones interception - just for Trev to gift it right back for the Packers inside our 20...

He led the offense to 27 points against a top 10 defense. He tied the game in the last 2 minutes. He climbed back from 10 down in the fourth quarter. Trevor did everything he needed to do.

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(This post was last modified: 10-27-2024, 04:25 PM by enigma.)

(10-27-2024, 04:23 PM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: The team collectively sucks.  Earlier in the tenure we didn't make many dumb mistakes that lose ourselves games,  now we have blown coverages, turnovers, penalties, injuries, bad clock management to deal with.  Losers are losing,  despite being given a chance to correct it.

Yep.

Only players worth anything are BTJ, Bigsby, Engram, Campbell, and Cooke.

(10-27-2024, 04:24 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote:
(10-27-2024, 04:23 PM)enigma Wrote: I mean the defense repeatedly stopped the Packers from scoring 7 on NUMEROUS drives while we couldn't muster a 1st down.

Let alone, the Jarrian Jones interception - just for Trev to gift it right back for the Packers inside our 20...

He led the offense to 27 points against a top 10 defense. He tied the game in the last 2 minutes. He climbed back from 10 down in the fourth quarter. Trevor did everything he needed to do.

And he also GIFTED them 14 points.

Don't forget that aspect.



(10-27-2024, 04:22 PM)Caldrac Wrote: .
It's a two way street. Period. His earlier mistakes hurt. 15 yards in 1 quarter? Didn't do anything on offense after the defense forced 3 - 5 punts in the 1st half.

They collectively suck and his 2 turnovers didn't help. Not defending him and kicking this defense down at the same time.

They ALL need to be tossed in the fire for this loss today. Including #16.

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He made mistakes but he also made up for them. Now one else on the team did. Our defense is killing this team. We can't run the ball when it matters. This team is entirely on Lawrence's shoulders and if he makes a mistake it's basically game over because no other component can carry the team when we need. Only Lawrence does.


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(10-27-2024, 04:18 PM)raptor6581 Wrote:
(10-27-2024, 04:15 PM)Caldrac Wrote: Lawrence received an INT today and gift wrapped it right back to them as an INT...

His fumble inside the 5 also hurt...

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Lawrence was 21/32 for 308 yards, 2 TDs and 1INT and a fumble. He also brought this team back while both starting WRs and the 3rd WR (Gabe) were on the sideline. He had a few mistakes, but he is the only reason they were in this game in the end. The defense gave up 30 points to a very hurt starting QB and Malik Willis, who was so bad this offseason he couldnt beat out Will Levis.... Trevor is NOT the problem here.
When you look at field position, points allowed and turnovers? Yes. He's 50% of the problem today. He racked up those stats BECAUSE he helped put this team in a hole earlier.

Give me a [BLEEP] break. Same excuses for the secondary today too then if Lawrence gets a pass. Campbell out. Darby out.

Lawrence is getting paid primo now. You cannot fumble the [BLEEP] ball inside the 5. You cannot toss an INT RIGHT AFTER your defense scored you an INT.

15 [BLEEP] yards in 1 quarter. Virtually no offense in the 1st half. I am not looking for a cheap jar cherry to put on this [BLEEP] sundae.

Defense sucks. Offense sucks. Coaching staff sucks. Lawrence sucks. Time to accept it for what this franchise is.

It's pain with an anchor.

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Can’t believe you guys are arguing over Lawrence. Dude played amazing - yes he messsed up - but he did what he was supposed to do with 2 back-to-back scoring drives. He is the least of my concerns right now.

Because apparently, we have a HIGHSCHOOL Defense out there with a D Coordinator

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(10-27-2024, 04:24 PM)enigma Wrote:
(10-27-2024, 04:23 PM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: The team collectively sucks.  Earlier in the tenure we didn't make many dumb mistakes that lose ourselves games,  now we have blown coverages, turnovers, penalties, injuries, bad clock management to deal with.  Losers are losing,  despite being given a chance to correct it.

Yep.

Only players worth anything are BTJ, Bigsby, Engram, Campbell, and Cooke.

(10-27-2024, 04:24 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: He led the offense to 27 points against a top 10 defense. He tied the game in the last 2 minutes. He climbed back from 10 down in the fourth quarter. Trevor did everything he needed to do.

And he also GIFTED them 14 points.

Don't forget that aspect.

You know, I see teams stop us after a turnover with regularity, not sure why our team can't seem to stop anyone, but hold them to a field goal on the int and the Jags win the game.

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Wouldn't have needed the defense to make that stop in the last 2 minutes, if Trevor hadn't fumbled at the 5-yard line. And I don't say that to condemn Trevor. He shouldn't have to play a perfect game for the Jaguars to win. Guys were clearly playing hard and want to win (this week anyway), but depending on which play we're talking about you see the coach is losing the chess game or the players losing the physical confrontation. Easier to change coaches than players, but both are deficient at this point.
My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.


(10-27-2024, 04:15 PM)Caldrac Wrote:
(10-27-2024, 04:14 PM)raptor6581 Wrote: This defense has stolen the season from this team. The offense has been bad, but gotten better each week. They fought back numerous times today. The defense let the team down when needed most.
Lawrence received an INT today and gift wrapped it right back to them as an INT...

His fumble inside the 5 also hurt...

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No one is saying that Lawrence or the offense was perfect. They definitely made major mistakes. 

But you cannot have watched this game and thought that the defense was going to hold the Packers if the fumble or INT didn't happen.

Whenever the Packers absolutely need to pass, run, go deep, or score, they were able to do so. Even when the defense knew exactly what was coming at them. 

They got 176 yards on 27 plays after Love left the game at 6.51 yards per play. That was even better than when Love was on 1 foot - 258 yards on 42 plays for 6.14 yards per play.

The scheme is way too simplistic in this era of the NFL, and can be easily out-schemed with coverages that can read by even back up QB's. The only other team that run such a simplistic scheme are the Colts.

Then on top of that there are numerous busts and dumb penalties on top of that with players making bad decisions, out of position, or loafing.


(10-27-2024, 04:23 PM)enigma Wrote:
(10-27-2024, 04:21 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: Blaming Trevor on this is stupid. He did everything you need your starting QB to do. Turnovers happen to everyone. He put the team in a position to keep going, to win, and the defense, per standard, blew it.

I mean the defense repeatedly stopped the Packers from scoring 7 on NUMEROUS drives while we couldn't muster a 1st down.

Let alone, the Jarrian Jones interception - just for Trev to gift it right back for the Packers inside our 20...

We give the D a pass for them not doing their job. They are supposed to stop teams scoring and we let it go when they make a mistake.

But the O is expected to be perfect and gets blamed when it makes mistakes.

D's shouldn't be giving up 30+ every game.

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It is what it is. Team is 2 - 6 now. Party's over. Going to resist the urge to let this team ruin my weekends moving forward.

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(10-27-2024, 04:26 PM)Caldrac Wrote:
(10-27-2024, 04:18 PM)raptor6581 Wrote: Lawrence was 21/32 for 308 yards, 2 TDs and 1INT and a fumble. He also brought this team back while both starting WRs and the 3rd WR (Gabe) were on the sideline. He had a few mistakes, but he is the only reason they were in this game in the end. The defense gave up 30 points to a very hurt starting QB and Malik Willis, who was so bad this offseason he couldnt beat out Will Levis.... Trevor is NOT the problem here.
When you look at field position, points allowed and turnovers? Yes. He's 50% of the problem today. He racked up those stats BECAUSE he helped put this team in a hole earlier.

Give me a [BLEEP] break. Same excuses for the secondary today too then if Lawrence gets a pass. Campbell out. Darby out.

Lawrence is getting paid primo now. You cannot fumble the [BLEEP] ball inside the 5. You cannot toss an INT RIGH AFTER your defense scored you an INT.

15 [BLEEP] yards in 1 quarter. Virtually no offense in the 1st half. I am not looking for a cheap jar cherry to put on this [BLEEP] sundae.

Defense sucks. Offense sucks. Coaching staff sucks. Lawrence sucks. Time to accept it for what this franchise is.

It's pain with an anchor.

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Your sounding like your about to pull a olinematters mate lol


Trevor did enough to give us a chance to win the bottom line, that is an acceptable grade for the week. This theme where we're in games until the end and the defense just loses it instantaneously is the same garbage we had last year and the year before. It's not a good defense anyway, can't be stingy, but surely you can't be that freaking terrible in crunch time against a back-up QB at home.




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