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Played good enough to win. Can't play perfect every game, mistakes will happen but man the mistakes were super costly today. The interception after the Jones interception and the sack fumble both inside our 10 yard lines made quite an impact on todays game, and those plays can't happen where they did. Two costly turnover that directly led to 14 points to the Pack with no room for the D to breathe. 

Morse has to get that fumble though, he got absolutely bullied. The GB player wanted the ball WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than Morse did, and it was so obvious.

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https://twitter.com/DanDGriffis/status/1...5445408113

Played good enough to win. Can't play perfect every game, mistakes will happen but man the mistakes were super costly today. The interception after the Jones interception and the sack fumble both inside our 10 yard lines made quite an impact on todays game, and those plays can't happen where they did. Two costly turnover that directly led to 14 points to the Pack with no room for the D to breathe. 

Morse has to get that fumble though, he got absolutely bullied. The GB player wanted the ball WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than Morse did, and it was so obvious.

It’s his first game in a long time he fumbled the ball. He’s been getting better on it but needs to focus on not sliding back. I would have rather had him take the sack there but oh well

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Played good enough to win. Can't play perfect every game, mistakes will happen but man the mistakes were super costly today. The interception after the Jones interception and the sack fumble both inside our 10 yard lines made quite an impact on todays game, and those plays can't happen where they did. Two costly turnover that directly led to 14 points to the Pack with no room for the D to breathe. 

Morse has to get that fumble though, he got absolutely bullied. The GB player wanted the ball WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than Morse did, and it was so obvious.

It’s his first game in a long time he fumbled the ball. He’s been getting better on it but needs to focus on not sliding back. I would have rather had him take the sack there but oh well

The Defender punched it out of his hand.

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Played good enough to win. Can't play perfect every game, mistakes will happen but man the mistakes were super costly today. The interception after the Jones interception and the sack fumble both inside our 10 yard lines made quite an impact on todays game, and those plays can't happen where they did. Two costly turnover that directly led to 14 points to the Pack with no room for the D to breathe. 

Morse has to get that fumble though, he got absolutely bullied. The GB player wanted the ball WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than Morse did, and it was so obvious.

It’s his first game in a long time he fumbled the ball. He’s been getting better on it but needs to focus on not sliding back. I would have rather had him take the sack there but oh well

Yep, TLAW has gotten better at it. Perhaps he was pressing to make a play. 

There was a laundry list of reasons we lost today, but it's unquestioned that the QB largely effects the outcomes of games and those mistakes hurt. It was amazing seeing him drive us down with pure back ups to tie the game up. Had a great comeback in store until, well you know what happened lol.

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Trevor Lawrence is our Franchise QB. He proved it today.

He's playing pretty good in spite of his bad coaching. Imagine Trevor Lawrence with a real HC that focuses on his development. He has the talent to be great. But it's very hard to overcome incompetence.

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I liked thr two tight end sets today. Why did it take all the injuries to try it?

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I liked thr two tight end sets today. Why did it take all the injuries to try it?

Do you really have to ask?

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I liked thr two tight end sets today. Why did it take all the injuries to try it?

The entire offensive scheme is a head scratcher.  

But you can see the potential of Lawrence today.  He's not a complete QB.  But he has the ability to do so many things.  He threw some dimes today.  He made plays with his legs today.  He stayed strong in the pocket and delivered great throws while getting hit today.  

The problem with Lawrence is that he's not great enough to overcome a bad game plan.  He's not the one calling the plays, either.  He's running the plays they give him.  A QB is only as good as the HC/OC that runs the offense.  

The Packers D is top 10.  And Lawrence tore them up in the 2nd half.  But the first 15 plays that Dougie and his boy called up in the 1st Quarter resulted in 3 and outs.  I mean, can nobody else see that it's not Lawrence that's the problem????

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Trevor had a 17 game stretch of top 5 passing numbers and wins. Trevor has certainly shown greatness for a stretch much longer than a few games

Care to show me those numbers? Compared to what others were doing.

Because I think that’s revisionist history. 

He had a nice stretch but even during his best stretch his passing touchdowns weren’t that high. And he was getting a lot of help with good, complimentary football (which is what you hope for). So not a knock on him at all, but let’s see those numbers for that 17 game stretch.

Those numbers are literally posted in this thread. It was well documented here and several talking heads at the various big networks did stories on it after they saw the numbers on twitter.

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Care to show me those numbers? Compared to what others were doing.

Because I think that’s revisionist history. 

He had a nice stretch but even during his best stretch his passing touchdowns weren’t that high. And he was getting a lot of help with good, complimentary football (which is what you hope for). So not a knock on him at all, but let’s see those numbers for that 17 game stretch.

Those numbers are literally posted in this thread. It was well documented here and several talking heads at the various big networks did stories on it after they saw the numbers on twitter.

I don’t remember it being a 17 game stretch but I could be wrong.

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I liked thr two tight end sets today. Why did it take all the injuries to try it?

The entire offensive scheme is a head scratcher.  

But you can see the potential of Lawrence today.  He's not a complete QB.  But he has the ability to do so many things.  He threw some dimes today.  He made plays with his legs today.  He stayed strong in the pocket and delivered great throws while getting hit today.  

The problem with Lawrence is that he's not great enough to overcome a bad game plan.  He's not the one calling the plays, either.  He's running the plays they give him.  A QB is only as good as the HC/OC that runs the offense.  

The Packers D is top 10.  And Lawrence tore them up in the 2nd half.  But the first 15 plays that Dougie and his boy called up in the 1st Quarter resulted in 3 and outs.  I mean, can nobody else see that it's not Lawrence that's the problem????

Everyone keeps saying this But like only 4 QB's in the league can even contemplate doing this, and only 1 does so consistently. It is rare to get that level of QB and the Jags are not likely to find that type of guy no matter what. Even most of those QB's have at least 1 or 2 guys who are or have recently been All Pro's on the offense. Even guys like Mahomes (Kelce/Hill) need them, as well as elite borderline hall-of-fame HC's.

Do Jag's have any of those guys or had any of those guys?

When was the last Jags offensive All Pro level player, MJD? Josh Blackmon? Yes, Engram made the pro bowl last. year due to volume, but there at least 5 TE's if not more guys who are bigger offensive threats in the league than Engram.

Instead of harping on Lawrence not being great or perfect. Can we pinpoint what he does well and try to build that up, and hope that over time he can shore up his weaknesses. That is what has happened for guys like Goff, Mayfield, and Geno.

There are multiple teams/franchises who win without perfect QB's. It happens all the time in the NFL. But Jags fans seem to think we "require" the perfect QB to win in this league. That is rarely how it works. Even in this franchise's heyday with Brunnell, he wasn't the perfect QB.

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Those numbers are literally posted in this thread. It was well documented here and several talking heads at the various big networks did stories on it after they saw the numbers on twitter.

I don’t remember it being a 17 game stretch but I could be wrong.

It was from the Baltimore win in 22 through the Texans win in 23.

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In 2022, starting with the Raiders game, Trevor finished

20 TDs and 7INT in 11 games, going 8-3.

In 2023 we started 8-3. In those games, Trevor threw 12 TDs and 7INTs.

Those numbers overall aren’t great or top 5 anything.
He had a top 5 stretch of 6 games in 2022, starting with the Raiders game and finishing with the Cowboys game. He went 14TDs to 1 pick in that stretch.

I stand by the fact that Trevor has a 6 game stretch that was fairly incredible. But to say it was for 17 games or anything close to that is just wrong.

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The entire offensive scheme is a head scratcher.  

But you can see the potential of Lawrence today.  He's not a complete QB.  But he has the ability to do so many things.  He threw some dimes today.  He made plays with his legs today.  He stayed strong in the pocket and delivered great throws while getting hit today.  

The problem with Lawrence is that he's not great enough to overcome a bad game plan.  He's not the one calling the plays, either.  He's running the plays they give him.  A QB is only as good as the HC/OC that runs the offense.  

The Packers D is top 10.  And Lawrence tore them up in the 2nd half.  But the first 15 plays that Dougie and his boy called up in the 1st Quarter resulted in 3 and outs.  I mean, can nobody else see that it's not Lawrence that's the problem????

Everyone keeps saying this But like only 4 QB's in the league can even contemplate doing this, and only 1 does so consistently. It is rare to get that level of QB and the Jags are not likely to find that type of guy no matter what. Even most of those QB's have at least 1 or 2 guys who are or have recently been All Pro's on the offense. Even guys like Mahomes (Kelce/Hill) need them, as well as elite borderline hall-of-fame HC's.

Do Jag's have any of those guys or had any of those guys?

When was the last Jags offensive All Pro level player, MJD? Josh Blackmon? Yes, Engram made the pro bowl last. year due to volume, but there at least 5 TE's if not more guys who are bigger offensive threats in the league than Engram.

Instead of harping on Lawrence not being great or perfect. Can we pinpoint what he does well and try to build that up, and hope that over time he can shore up his weaknesses. That is what has happened for guys like Goff, Mayfield, and Geno.

There are multiple teams/franchises who win without perfect QB's. It happens all the time in the NFL. But Jags fans seem to think we "require" the perfect QB to win in this league. That is rarely how it works. Even in this franchise's heyday with Brunnell, he wasn't the perfect QB.

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I don’t remember it being a 17 game stretch but I could be wrong.

It was from the Baltimore win in 22 through the Texans win in 23.

During that stretch, the Jags went 15-5 which I would say is Elite.

Trevor threw 29 TDs and had 14 picks during that 20-game stretch. To me, that’s pretty good but nothing extraordinary. He had a 6 game stretch that was special.

Btw; he played ok today except for the two turnovers. But those were real killers.

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Heh. I love this thread. Like clockwork, the sheep come out to defend TL who plays THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION in the game, again makes crucial mistakes at crucial times in the most crucial position, but it’s everyone else’s fault he does it. The coach, the defence, the players who don’t try hard enough to recover his fumble.

The cope is overwhelming. TL is AT BEST bog average. He is a $55 million a year back up quarterback. That’s his skill set. And that will remain his skill set.

Now, JAX is also a messed up organisation, but TL is not losing because of that. He’s on the team as a $55M backup in a starter’s role because of that. TL simply reflects the decision-making quality of this franchise. He’s not a victim of it. It’s the standard decision.

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Heh.  I love this thread.  Like clockwork, the sheep come out to defend TL who plays THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION in the game, again makes crucial mistakes at crucial times in the most crucial position, but it’s everyone else’s fault he does it.  The coach, the defence, the players who don’t try hard enough to recover his fumble.

The cope is overwhelming.  TL is AT BEST bog average.  He is a $55 million a year back up quarterback.  That’s his skill set.  And that will remain his skill set.

Now, JAX is also a messed up organisation, but TL is not losing because of that. He’s on the team as a $55M backup in a starter’s role because of that.  TL simply reflects the decision-making quality of this franchise.  He’s not a victim of it.  It’s the standard decision.

I haven't read every post in this thread since the game, but most Jags fans, myself included seem to feel like Lawrence played well on the whole today but cost us the game with turnovers. 

One of them was obviously a communication error with the receiver. Rookie and TL not on same page - but no excuse - he threw the pick. And the fumble I need to see again, he said he was switching hands to get away from the defender and it got knocked loose in the switch. 

TL protects that ball better and we win that game. 

The clockwork that is laughable here is your sorry, pathetic [BLEEP] crawling from under your rock every time 16 makes a mistake.  What a miserable existence.

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Heh.  I love this thread.  Like clockwork, the sheep come out to defend TL who plays THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION in the game, again makes crucial mistakes at crucial times in the most crucial position, but it’s everyone else’s fault he does it.  The coach, the defence, the players who don’t try hard enough to recover his fumble.

The cope is overwhelming.  TL is AT BEST bog average.  He is a $55 million a year back up quarterback.  That’s his skill set.  And that will remain his skill set.

Now, JAX is also a messed up organisation, but TL is not losing because of that. He’s on the team as a $55M backup in a starter’s role because of that.  TL simply reflects the decision-making quality of this franchise.  He’s not a victim of it.  It’s the standard decision.

I haven't read every post in this thread since the game, but most Jags fans, myself included seem to feel like Lawrence played well on the whole today but cost us the game with turnovers. 

One of them was obviously a communication error with the receiver. Rookie and TL not on same page - but no excuse - he threw the pick. And the fumble I need to see again, he said he was switching hands to get away from the defender and it got knocked loose in the switch. 

TL protects that ball better and we win that game. 

The clockwork that is laughable here is your sorry, pathetic [BLEEP] crawling from under your rock every time 16 makes a mistake.  What a miserable existence.

100 percent. 

Didn’t post at all last week after the victory against the Pats. He provides proof every time he’s a troll. Still won’t come clean on what player he is supposedly a fan of on the jags

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Heh.  I love this thread.  Like clockwork, the sheep come out to defend TL who plays THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION in the game, again makes crucial mistakes at crucial times in the most crucial position, but it’s everyone else’s fault he does it.  The coach, the defence, the players who don’t try hard enough to recover his fumble.

The cope is overwhelming.  TL is AT BEST bog average.  He is a $55 million a year back up quarterback.  That’s his skill set.  And that will remain his skill set.

Now, JAX is also a messed up organisation, but TL is not losing because of that. He’s on the team as a $55M backup in a starter’s role because of that.  TL simply reflects the decision-making quality of this franchise.  He’s not a victim of it.  It’s the standard decision.

I haven't read every post in this thread since the game, but most Jags fans, myself included seem to feel like Lawrence played well on the whole today but cost us the game with turnovers. 

One of them was obviously a communication error with the receiver. Rookie and TL not on same page - but no excuse - he threw the pick. And the fumble I need to see again, he said he was switching hands to get away from the defender and it got knocked loose in the switch. 

TL protects that ball better and we win that game. 

The clockwork that is laughable here is your sorry, pathetic [BLEEP] crawling from under your rock every time 16 makes a mistake.  What a miserable existence.

Here's the fumble. Defender clearly gets his hand on it and punches it out.
https://twitter.com/henrycmckenna/status...4429623530

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Heh.  I love this thread.  Like clockwork, the sheep come out to defend TL who plays THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION in the game, again makes crucial mistakes at crucial times in the most crucial position, but it’s everyone else’s fault he does it.  The coach, the defence, the players who don’t try hard enough to recover his fumble.

The cope is overwhelming.  TL is AT BEST bog average.  He is a $55 million a year back up quarterback.  That’s his skill set.  And that will remain his skill set.

Now, JAX is also a messed up organisation, but TL is not losing because of that. He’s on the team as a $55M backup in a starter’s role because of that.  TL simply reflects the decision-making quality of this franchise.  He’s not a victim of it.  It’s the standard decision.

I haven't read every post in this thread since the game, but most Jags fans, myself included seem to feel like Lawrence played well on the whole today but cost us the game with turnovers. 

One of them was obviously a communication error with the receiver. Rookie and TL not on same page - but no excuse - he threw the pick. And the fumble I need to see again, he said he was switching hands to get away from the defender and it got knocked loose in the switch. 

TL protects that ball better and we win that game. 

The clockwork that is laughable here is your sorry, pathetic [BLEEP] crawling from under your rock every time 16 makes a mistake.  What a miserable existence.

 Washington, Chicago, both teams with young QBs.  They look dynamic.  We are wasting the talent we have.  It's pretty depressing.

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I haven't read every post in this thread since the game, but most Jags fans, myself included seem to feel like Lawrence played well on the whole today but cost us the game with turnovers. 

One of them was obviously a communication error with the receiver. Rookie and TL not on same page - but no excuse - he threw the pick. And the fumble I need to see again, he said he was switching hands to get away from the defender and it got knocked loose in the switch. 

TL protects that ball better and we win that game. 

The clockwork that is laughable here is your sorry, pathetic [BLEEP] crawling from under your rock every time 16 makes a mistake.  What a miserable existence.

Here's the fumble. Defender clearly gets his hand on it and punches it out.
https://twitter.com/henrycmckenna/status...4429623530

Exactly. It was a bit fortunate play by the Packers player but a good play. Can it be a good play by an opponent and not always be Trevor's fault?

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Here's the fumble. Defender clearly gets his hand on it and punches it out.
https://twitter.com/henrycmckenna/status...4429623530

Exactly. It was a bit fortunate play by the Packers player but a good play. Can it be a good play by an opponent and not always be Trevor's fault?

It’s a good play by the defender and a bad play by Trevor at the same time.  A 2-turnover game unfortunately negates a lot of the positives that we saw.

You can’t let that happen, especially with the field position we had at that time. 
I did like that Trevor moved the ball and scored some points today, so that’s a positive, and did tie the game with 2 minutes remaining.

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