Trevor posted the highest QBR, second highest rating, second highest YPA (by 0.1) and most yards thrown against the packers defense so far this season

And? He also coughed up a fumble inside the 5 and tossed an INT right back to them after being gifted a rare INT from this defense that resulted in 14 points being added to the board. 

I can't get onboard anymore with defending this guy entirely. The dog [BLEEP] starts on offense in Q1 are also on him as well. This team was 1/9 on third down's yesterday. A common theme. 

People gave StroudCrowd hell for stating that Lawrence is damaged goods. While I don't fully agree with that statement, he's not entirely wrong neither. Lawrence's development has been completely stunted by piss poor decision making from ownership, coaching changes and the front office. 

NOBODY should be content with what he's produced so far. 

NOBODY should be looking for silver lining in this [BLEEP] sandwich of a franchise. 

NOBODY should be making excuses for this nonsense after he inked a shiny new $275M deal. Which, by the way, will make it difficult for the next regime to potentially fix this "talented" roster. 

Why is it that C.J Stroud, Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams all look like they're better prospects right out of the gate compared to what we saw and continue to see with Lawrence? Why is Lawrence seeing his worst completion percentage since his rookie season? Why is Lawrence seeing his lowest overall yardage output since his rookie season? 

There needs to be better accountability at this point with him being in year four. There needs to be even BETTER accountability and expectations placed on ownership, the coaching staff and front office. He's behind in his development. Period. He's not where he needs to be in year four. Period. 

Just like the cute little stat comparison of Stroud Vs. Lawrence this year. Stroud is in year two. Not year four. Are we really going to hang our hats on that "reading"? Please, spare me. Stroud's been miles ahead of Lawrence since last year. He's miles ahead of him now, and, again, as cited in here or another thread. 

You ARE what your record says you ARE. And his body of work speaks for itself along with the stats to back it up. We drafted Alex Smith 2.0. Jason Campbell 2.0. His dysfunctional surrounding is exactly similar to what Alex Smith went through in San Francisco. It's similar to what Campbell went through in Washington. 

While it's not ALL on Lawrence, he's not lived up to the hype for the most part. I am clearly hoping things improve with his said surrounding because that's the only way he's going to live up to his potential. He's dead in the water with this current regime. 

It's year four though folks. The training wheels have been off now since at least the 8 - 3 start in 2023. The training wheels were OFFICIALLY off once he inked that new contract. Enough with the excuses, nonsense and defending. Many, many things can be right at the same time. 

These next four games for him are fixing to be murderers row. 

Philadelphia
Minnesota
Detroit
Houston

If he plays mistake free football, wins half of those games and plays perfectly? I will happily eat my [BLEEP] crow, but, just like last year when the schedule got tough? His worst moments cropped up on the stat sheet and film room. I expect him to get his bell rung, banged up and his production to take a nose dive in the turnover department.

Every QB in this league plays games with turnovers. You’re holding Trevor to a standard no other QB in this league is held to. That he would have to play perfect and flawless. Doesn’t matter what the team around them does. Trevor could throw for 25/30 , 400, 4 TDs and have one pick and you’d ask why he didn’t throw for five and didn’t play perfect when we lose 35-28.

As far as the slow starts? That’s on our staff. Our first 15 almost always fails; it’s always short runs and dink and dunk. And do you notice that once we go off script, and let Trevor rip the offense moved the ball? It’s been a consistent them that this team comes unprepared out the gate and that to me has to be asked of the coaches more then any player. Are defenses consistently seeing what we’re seeing on tape and easily shutting down the first 15? Blame Trevor, sure, but to me there’s a larger issue behind that. 

I agree Trevor’s development has been inconsistent. Which is why I’ve been adamant despite rosier outlooks that he’s not elite and may never be; however he’s talented and a good QB and that’s what this franchise has lacked for decades and if we throw it away in hopes of finding elite we’d be silly. 28-29 of the 32 teams in this league are “settling” for “mediocrity” with your standards. 

The contract? Again can we stop with this misinformation nonsense? The contract is not going to prevent a new regime from building around him.
2025: $17M, 5.9%, 20th/55 among QBs
2026: $24M, 8.3%, 19th/41 among QBs
2027: $35M, 11.1%, 13th/25 among QBs
2028: $47M (cutting him here would be a dead cap hit of $42M), 9th/12 among QBs
2029: $78M (cutting him here would be a dead cap of $21M), 2nd/8 among QBs
2030: $75M (cutting him here would be a dead cap of $7M), 1st/3 among QBs (Mahomes and Burrow are the other two)
2031: $21M (this is a void year and carries no dead cap hit), 2nd/2 among QBs (Mahomes is the other one)

Can’t truly rid him if that’s what you want until 2028 but his contract is built in a way we’re not hamstrung from building around him until 2029 which again we can cut him or rework him. Criticize the amount sure (which only makes him highest paid for 1-2 seasons) but we’re not shot in the kneecaps like you claim.

As far as record, that’s an ultimate team stat. Using your logic, mahomes should have MVP if the season ended today. He wouldn’t because he’s playing like a human QB.

We’re certainly going to lose the next four and I can guarantee Trevor will have great plays and bad plays because he’s gonna let it rip and we’re down his best two targets potentially. I’ll be waiting for it. Because on offense it’s just him, engram, Bigsby basically taking the offense on their back and will be desperate

Finally if you wanna be disappointed because of the hype, go for it. I’m not. I never expect a player to step in and be elite immediately . How many QBs have truly done that in decades? Brady. Mahomes. Could make a case for a couple others. Some come hot out the gate then cool off. That’s on your expectations not on him. He didn’t come out and say “I will be elite”. He didn’t say “I’m generational and I promise to bring this franchise to glory”. I’m happy that he’s our franchise and that he’s a QB we can build around it’s just a matter of accomplishing that.

Step back from the cliff man. At this point I want Mac jones to start so people understand just how bad it can get at the position. We let Trevor walk in 2029, we’re back to QB purgatory. Full stop.

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Trevor Lawrence signs a team-friendly deal that takes care of both him and the franchise for years and people still wanna [BLEEP] about it.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

And? He also coughed up a fumble inside the 5 and tossed an INT right back to them after being gifted a rare INT from this defense that resulted in 14 points being added to the board. 

I can't get onboard anymore with defending this guy entirely. The dog [BLEEP] starts on offense in Q1 are also on him as well. This team was 1/9 on third down's yesterday. A common theme. 

People gave StroudCrowd hell for stating that Lawrence is damaged goods. While I don't fully agree with that statement, he's not entirely wrong neither. Lawrence's development has been completely stunted by piss poor decision making from ownership, coaching changes and the front office. 

NOBODY should be content with what he's produced so far. 

NOBODY should be looking for silver lining in this [BLEEP] sandwich of a franchise. 

NOBODY should be making excuses for this nonsense after he inked a shiny new $275M deal. Which, by the way, will make it difficult for the next regime to potentially fix this "talented" roster. 

Why is it that C.J Stroud, Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams all look like they're better prospects right out of the gate compared to what we saw and continue to see with Lawrence? Why is Lawrence seeing his worst completion percentage since his rookie season? Why is Lawrence seeing his lowest overall yardage output since his rookie season? 

There needs to be better accountability at this point with him being in year four. There needs to be even BETTER accountability and expectations placed on ownership, the coaching staff and front office. He's behind in his development. Period. He's not where he needs to be in year four. Period. 

Just like the cute little stat comparison of Stroud Vs. Lawrence this year. Stroud is in year two. Not year four. Are we really going to hang our hats on that "reading"? Please, spare me. Stroud's been miles ahead of Lawrence since last year. He's miles ahead of him now, and, again, as cited in here or another thread. 

You ARE what your record says you ARE. And his body of work speaks for itself along with the stats to back it up. We drafted Alex Smith 2.0. Jason Campbell 2.0. His dysfunctional surrounding is exactly similar to what Alex Smith went through in San Francisco. It's similar to what Campbell went through in Washington. 

While it's not ALL on Lawrence, he's not lived up to the hype for the most part. I am clearly hoping things improve with his said surrounding because that's the only way he's going to live up to his potential. He's dead in the water with this current regime. 

It's year four though folks. The training wheels have been off now since at least the 8 - 3 start in 2023. The training wheels were OFFICIALLY off once he inked that new contract. Enough with the excuses, nonsense and defending. Many, many things can be right at the same time. 

These next four games for him are fixing to be murderers row. 

Philadelphia
Minnesota
Detroit
Houston

If he plays mistake free football, wins half of those games and plays perfectly? I will happily eat my [BLEEP] crow, but, just like last year when the schedule got tough? His worst moments cropped up on the stat sheet and film room. I expect him to get his bell rung, banged up and his production to take a nose dive in the turnover department.

Every QB in this league plays games with turnovers. You’re holding Trevor to a standard no other QB in this league is held to. That he would have to play perfect and flawless. Doesn’t matter what the team around them does. Trevor could throw for 25/30 , 400, 4 TDs and have one pick and you’d ask why he didn’t throw for five and didn’t play perfect when we lose 35-28.

As far as the slow starts? That’s on our staff. Our first 15 almost always fails; it’s always short runs and dink and dunk. And do you notice that once we go off script, and let Trevor rip the offense moved the ball? It’s been a consistent them that this team comes unprepared out the gate and that to me has to be asked of the coaches more then any player. Are defenses consistently seeing what we’re seeing on tape and easily shutting down the first 15? Blame Trevor, sure, but to me there’s a larger issue behind that. 

I agree Trevor’s development has been inconsistent. Which is why I’ve been adamant despite rosier outlooks that he’s not elite and may never be; however he’s talented and a good QB and that’s what this franchise has lacked for decades and if we throw it away in hopes of finding elite we’d be silly. 28-29 of the 32 teams in this league are “settling” for “mediocrity” with your standards. 

The contract? Again can we stop with this misinformation nonsense? The contract is not going to prevent a new regime from building around him.
2025: $17M, 5.9%, 20th/55 among QBs
2026: $24M, 8.3%, 19th/41 among QBs
2027: $35M, 11.1%, 13th/25 among QBs
2028: $47M (cutting him here would be a dead cap hit of $42M), 9th/12 among QBs
2029: $78M (cutting him here would be a dead cap of $21M), 2nd/8 among QBs
2030: $75M (cutting him here would be a dead cap of $7M), 1st/3 among QBs (Mahomes and Burrow are the other two)
2031: $21M (this is a void year and carries no dead cap hit), 2nd/2 among QBs (Mahomes is the other one)

Can’t truly rid him if that’s what you want until 2028 but his contract is built in a way we’re not hamstrung from building around him until 2029 which again we can cut him or rework him. Criticize the amount sure (which only makes him highest paid for 1-2 seasons) but we’re not shot in the kneecaps like you claim.

As far as record, that’s an ultimate team stat. Using your logic, mahomes should have MVP if the season ended today. He wouldn’t because he’s playing like a human QB.

We’re certainly going to lose the next four and I can guarantee Trevor will have great plays and bad plays because he’s gonna let it rip and we’re down his best two targets potentially. I’ll be waiting for it. Because on offense it’s just him, engram, Bigsby basically taking the offense on their back and will be desperate

Finally if you wanna be disappointed because of the hype, go for it. I’m not. I never expect a player to step in and be elite immediately . How many QBs have truly done that in decades? Brady. Mahomes. Could make a case for a couple others. That’s on your expectations not on him. He didn’t come out and say “I will be elite”. He didn’t say “I’m generational and I promise to bring this franchise to glory”. I’m happy that he’s our franchise and that he’s a QB we can build around it’s just a matter of accomplishing that.

Step back from the cliff man. At this point I want Mac jones to start so people understand just how bad it can get at the position. We let Trevor walk in 2029, we’re back to QB purgatory. Full stop.

Well said.

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I'm really happy to see Brenton Strange get more reps. Not happy with how it's happened, but I think the kid can be special.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I'm really happy to see Brenton Strange get more reps. Not happy with how it's happened, but I think the kid can be special.

It’s interesting that when we ran the two TE sets out of desperation yesterday how well it went with strange and engram.

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Trevor is the least of our worries right now. He put over 300 yards 3 TDs yesterday, had 2 turnovers but came back tied the game with less than 2 minutes left after losing his top 3 WRs. CJ Stroud put up 86 yards on that same D last week.

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I'm really happy to see Brenton Strange get more reps. Not happy with how it's happened, but I think the kid can be special.

It’s interesting that when we ran the two TE sets out of desperation yesterday how well it went with strange and engram.

Could be really effective going forward if they both keep playing this well. if it just keeps Davis off the field it will be an improvement.

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Trevor is the least of our worries right now.  He put over 300 yards 3 TDs yesterday, had 2 turnovers but came back tied the game with less than 2 minutes left after losing his top 3 WRs.  CJ Stroud put up 86 yards on that same D last week.

Common ground, we found it at last.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

saw a thing that said Trevor Lawrence is the most likely QB in the NFL to go with his first read.  The other QBs in that ballpark are will levis, Andy Dalton, Jayden Daniel’s, and Daniel Jones.


The QBs with the least likely to throw to their first read?

Pat Mahomes
Josh Allen
Justin Herbert
Lamar Jackson
Caleb Williams.


It’s something many of us have noticed over the years. I think if he develops in that regard we will be a much more difficult offense to defend. 

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If the first read is open, how is that bad?
Does the stat account for time to throw or routes to choose from? context is significant.

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Heh.  I love this thread.  Like clockwork, the sheep come out to defend TL who plays THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION in the game, again makes crucial mistakes at crucial times in the most crucial position, but it’s everyone else’s fault he does it.  The coach, the defence, the players who don’t try hard enough to recover his fumble.

The cope is overwhelming.  TL is AT BEST bog average.  He is a $55 million a year back up quarterback.  That’s his skill set.  And that will remain his skill set.

Now, JAX is also a messed up organisation, but TL is not losing because of that. He’s on the team as a $55M backup in a starter’s role because of that.  TL simply reflects the decision-making quality of this franchise.  He’s not a victim of it.  It’s the standard decision.

TLaw gave up that 50-yard bomb to a backup QB.

Trevor got flagged for defensive delay of game on 3rd and five with the clock ticking down in the half.

I will grant that Trevor forced zero defensive turnovers and also failed to get a single sack. Shame on him.

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I haven't read every post in this thread since the game, but most Jags fans, myself included seem to feel like Lawrence played well on the whole today but cost us the game with turnovers. 

One of them was obviously a communication error with the receiver. Rookie and TL not on same page - but no excuse - he threw the pick. And the fumble I need to see again, he said he was switching hands to get away from the defender and it got knocked loose in the switch. 

TL protects that ball better and we win that game. 

The clockwork that is laughable here is your sorry, pathetic [BLEEP] crawling from under your rock every time 16 makes a mistake.  What a miserable existence.

 Washington, Chicago, both teams with young QBs.  They look dynamic.  We are wasting the talent we have.  It's pretty depressing.

...so they're the 2022 Jags. Wonder if things get depressing for them too.

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It’s a good play by the defender and a bad play by Trevor at the same time.  A 2-turnover game unfortunately negates a lot of the positives that we saw.

You can’t let that happen, especially with the field position we had at that time. 
I did like that Trevor moved the ball and scored some points today, so that’s a positive, and did tie the game with 2 minutes remaining.

The turnovers were unfortunate, especially where they took place but it happens. Trevor shouldn't have to be absolutely perfect every single game. Would be nice if the Defense could come through once in awhile.

Mahomes threw an INT out of his own endzone today. Raiders had the ball 1st and goal. You know what the Chiefs Defense did to bail out their QB after a mistake? They stuffed the Raiders 4 straight times and got a turnover on downs. Ball back and zero points off the INT.

Trevor doesn't have that luxury. If he isn't perfect we're [BLEEP].

This is a very good point. Great teams aren't great because they are mistake free. They're great because a mistake isn't the end of the world.

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I just don't know how you can watch that game yesterday and come away thinking Trevor cost us.

The criticism was turnovers and leading a game winning drive. He's cut down on turnovers and yesterday took us down the field to tie it up with Washington and Tim Jones at WR. The bar is constantly being moved on him to find a way to criticise him.

Just feels like some have turned on Trevor and want to find a way to always pin it on him.

Now he needs to have zero turnovers and score points on every drive? Give me a break man.

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Not sure if this is going to resonate with anyone here… but was listening to some packer podcasts this morning and they were raving about how Trevor handled their pressure packages yesterday, and how he handled pressure overall throwing darts down the field with guys in his lap. 

Said he is a very good QB who had a couple turnovers and their d has turned people over all season and that the final stat line where he threw for 300 plus yards (which they compared to Strouds performance last week) didn’t even do him justice. 

Interesting perspective from the opponents podcast.

Trevor posted the highest QBR, second highest rating, second highest YPA (by 0.1) and most yards thrown against the packers defense so far this season

somehow this will be used as a sign that the GB Defense is in their midseason slump, right?

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The turnovers were unfortunate, especially where they took place but it happens. Trevor shouldn't have to be absolutely perfect every single game. Would be nice if the Defense could come through once in awhile.

Mahomes threw an INT out of his own endzone today. Raiders had the ball 1st and goal. You know what the Chiefs Defense did to bail out their QB after a mistake? They stuffed the Raiders 4 straight times and got a turnover on downs. Ball back and zero points off the INT.

Trevor doesn't have that luxury. If he isn't perfect we're [BLEEP].

This is a very good point. Great teams aren't great because they are mistake free. They're great because a mistake isn't the end of the world.

Thank you!! So very much this. Just taking Mahomes as an example. Yesterday was his 3rd game in October and yesterday was the first TD's he'd thrown I'm those games. He threw 0 TD's and they still scored 26 and 28 points. The best QB in the league has thrown a pick in every game but the TEAM finds a way to win.

I think we're very similar to the Bengals this year. A great QB with weapons but no run game and a D that gets scored on so so much and Burrow can't overcome all those things on his own.

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The. Defense. Couldn't. Stop. Malik. Willis.

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The. Defense. Couldn't. Stop. Malik. Willis.

Yep. Freaking Willis. 

Jacobs tore us a new one aswell but when we finally make them put the game on Willis's arm we leave a WR open by 15 yards.

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This is a very good point. Great teams aren't great because they are mistake free. They're great because a mistake isn't the end of the world.

Thank you!! So very much this. Just taking Mahomes as an example. Yesterday was his 3rd game in October and yesterday was the first TD's he'd thrown I'm those games. He threw 0 TD's and they still scored 26 and 28 points. The best QB in the league has thrown a pick in every game but the TEAM finds a way to win.

I think we're very similar to the Bengals this year. A great QB with weapons but no run game and a D that gets scored on so so much and Burrow can't overcome all those things on his own.

The. Defense. Couldn't. Stop. Malik. Willis.

The. Defense. Couldn't. Stop. Malik. Willis.

Yep. Freaking Willis. 

Jacobs tore us a new one aswell but when we finally make them put the game on Willis's arm we leave a WR open by 15 yards.

Sorry, dudes, the Bib Brigade has spoken, and Trevor has been found wanting. When he's finally gone to San Fran and is being carried by Shanahan to superb owls everything here will finally be solved.

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Trevor Lawrence signs a team-friendly deal that takes care of both him and the franchise for years and people still wanna [BLEEP] about it.

We could win the SB by a field goal and some would complain that we left 10 pts on the field.

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I just don't know how you can watch that game yesterday and come away thinking Trevor cost us.

The criticism was turnovers and leading a game winning drive. He's cut down on turnovers and yesterday took us down the field to tie it up with Washington and Tim Jones at WR. The bar is constantly being moved on him to find a way to criticise him.

Just feels like some have turned on Trevor and want to find a way to always pin it on him.

Now he needs to have zero turnovers and score points on every drive? Give me a break man.

2-6 sucks, man. Some folks need to punch a wall when frustrations mount.

Catharsis takes multiple forms.

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This is a very good point. Great teams aren't great because they are mistake free. They're great because a mistake isn't the end of the world.

Thank you!! So very much this. Just taking Mahomes as an example. Yesterday was his 3rd game in October and yesterday was the first TD's he'd thrown I'm those games. He threw 0 TD's and they still scored 26 and 28 points. The best QB in the league has thrown a pick in every game but the TEAM finds a way to win.

I think we're very similar to the Bengals this year. A great QB with weapons but no run game and a D that gets scored on so so much and Burrow can't overcome all those things on his own.

Now THERE is a Taylor family member deserving of an axe.

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The. Defense. Couldn't. Stop. Malik. Willis.

Pish. Posh. Our franchise QB should have known how incapable our D was and burned another minute off the clock instead of throwing an amazing TD in crunch time.

That's what truly elite QBs would do.

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https://twitter.com/dandgriffis/status/1...Ie5OPeqkhg

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It’s crazy to me that we still have fans blaming Trev. With how awful the rest of our team is, how bad our coaches and GM are, and how dysfunctional our franchise has been for years, we should all be thrilled that at least we have a great young QB to possibly help us through another restart.

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