We have 43 linemen, 34 linebackers, and zone secondary. There's got to be personnel changes to what the coach wants to do, and we have a hodge podge of the wrong vets and too young fits for it to work.

Too much lather, rinse, and repeat in this organization. We can't seem to get on board with draft and develop.

The one time they were honest they held onto the coach past it being obvious that it all was a disaster.

I hope to live long enough to see some direction pointing to success.

If Detroit can finally figure it out, we can someday too

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

Tbh rest of season I'm rooting for walker to keep eating
Happy to see Jones improve further into that nickle role and hopefully we see more maason

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Too much lather, rinse, and repeat in this organization. We can't seem to get on board with draft and develop.

The one time they were honest they held onto the coach past it being obvious that it all was a disaster.

I hope to live long enough to see some direction pointing to success.

If Detroit can finally figure it out, we can someday too

Here's the issue: coaching can only take talent so far. It is and always will be Players not Plays in the NFL. It's very, very rare that you change coaches and instantly have a winner, whether that's as a team or as a unit of a team. We brought in Nielsen and made the following changes to the starting defense: Antonio Johnson in for Jenkins, Darnell Savage in at nickel, Ron Darby in for Williams, Erik Armstead in for Smoot (I guess? Who the hell knows at this point), and then some rookies who have barely played so far. Does anyone really believe that an offseason scheme change is going to fix the problem? Really? 

Now, they can fire Nielsen, I'm ambivalent about that, but does anyone expect a coaching change or a scheme change to fix what's broken here? I think you're kidding yourselves if you do. This team has a talent deficit, especially in the defensive line, and no amount of coaching is going to fix it. This says nothing of the two years spent acquiring players built to play 43 and forcing them into 34 then wondering why the 34 isn't working. We can go back to to a guy with Caldwell's style of "keep it all in front and avoid the big play" if we want, or we can keep Nielsen and add actual talent to the roster who can run man, or fire him and replace him with a guy with a similar scheme. In short, I don't think firing Nielsen isn't going to make this all that much better because he's not really the problem; the problem is the roster and until that gets sorted every coach is going to struggle here. The only real hope we have is that Maason Smith and Jordan Jefferson grow up and create a strong interior duo that we can supplement with an additional rotational guy. Fix the middle and you fix most everything else IMO.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

If Detroit can finally figure it out, we can someday too

Here's the issue: coaching can only take talent so far. It is and always will be Players not Plays in the NFL. It's very, very rare that you change coaches and instantly have a winner, whether that's as a team or as a unit of a team. We brought in Nielsen and made the following changes to the starting defense: Antonio Johnson in for Jenkins, Darnell Savage in at nickel, Ron Darby in for Williams, Erik Armstead in for Smoot (I guess? Who the hell knows at this point), and then some rookies who have barely played so far. Does anyone really believe that an offseason scheme change is going to fix the problem? Really? 
Now, they can fire Nielsen, I'm ambivalent about that, but does anyone expect a coaching change or a scheme change to fix what's broken here? I think you're kidding yourselves if you do. This team has a talent deficit, especially in the defensive line, and no amount of coaching is going to fix it. This says nothing of the two years spent acquiring players built to play 43 and forcing them into 34 then wondering why the 34 isn't working. We can go back to to a guy with Caldwell's style of "keep it all in front and avoid the big play" if we want, or we can keep Nielsen and add actual talent to the roster who can run man, or fire him and replace him with a guy with a similar scheme. In short, I don't think firing Nielsen isn't going to make this all that much better because he's not really the problem; the problem is the roster and until that gets sorted every coach is going to struggle here. The only real hope we have is that Maason Smith and Jordan Jefferson grow up and create a strong interior duo that we can supplement with an additional rotational guy. Fix the middle and you fix most everything else IMO.

Agree with everything here.

And Foye being hurt might be the biggest deficit of all.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Here's the issue: coaching can only take talent so far. It is and always will be Players not Plays in the NFL. It's very, very rare that you change coaches and instantly have a winner, whether that's as a team or as a unit of a team. We brought in Nielsen and made the following changes to the starting defense: Antonio Johnson in for Jenkins, Darnell Savage in at nickel, Ron Darby in for Williams, Erik Armstead in for Smoot (I guess? Who the hell knows at this point), and then some rookies who have barely played so far. Does anyone really believe that an offseason scheme change is going to fix the problem? Really? 
Now, they can fire Nielsen, I'm ambivalent about that, but does anyone expect a coaching change or a scheme change to fix what's broken here? I think you're kidding yourselves if you do. This team has a talent deficit, especially in the defensive line, and no amount of coaching is going to fix it. This says nothing of the two years spent acquiring players built to play 43 and forcing them into 34 then wondering why the 34 isn't working. We can go back to to a guy with Caldwell's style of "keep it all in front and avoid the big play" if we want, or we can keep Nielsen and add actual talent to the roster who can run man, or fire him and replace him with a guy with a similar scheme. In short, I don't think firing Nielsen isn't going to make this all that much better because he's not really the problem; the problem is the roster and until that gets sorted every coach is going to struggle here. The only real hope we have is that Maason Smith and Jordan Jefferson grow up and create a strong interior duo that we can supplement with an additional rotational guy. Fix the middle and you fix most everything else IMO.

Agree with everything here.

And Foye being hurt might be the biggest deficit of all.

Agreed, losing the best tackler on a poor tackling team is a killer. Miller has been ok, but he's no Foye.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

If Detroit can finally figure it out, we can someday too

Here's the issue: coaching can only take talent so far. It is and always will be Players not Plays in the NFL. It's very, very rare that you change coaches and instantly have a winner, whether that's as a team or as a unit of a team. We brought in Nielsen and made the following changes to the starting defense: Antonio Johnson in for Jenkins, Darnell Savage in at nickel, Ron Darby in for Williams, Erik Armstead in for Smoot (I guess? Who the hell knows at this point), and then some rookies who have barely played so far. Does anyone really believe that an offseason scheme change is going to fix the problem? Really? 

Now, they can fire Nielsen, I'm ambivalent about that, but does anyone expect a coaching change or a scheme change to fix what's broken here? I think you're kidding yourselves if you do. This team has a talent deficit, especially in the defensive line, and no amount of coaching is going to fix it. This says nothing of the two years spent acquiring players built to play 43 and forcing them into 34 then wondering why the 34 isn't working. We can go back to to a guy with Caldwell's style of "keep it all in front and avoid the big play" if we want, or we can keep Nielsen and add actual talent to the roster who can run man, or fire him and replace him with a guy with a similar scheme. In short, I don't think firing Nielsen isn't going to make this all that much better because he's not really the problem; the problem is the roster and until that gets sorted every coach is going to struggle here. The only real hope we have is that Maason Smith and Jordan Jefferson grow up and create a strong interior duo that we can supplement with an additional rotational guy. Fix the middle and you fix most everything else IMO.

This is pretty much the same defense as last year except a few spots.  We had a ton of injuries on D last year as well. We added 2 high to mid draft picks at DT, Armstead, Darby, Savage, a healthy Miller, and added a good slot corner in Jones.  Now we are 15 spots worse than last year.  

 Coaching absolutely makes a masive difference if you get the right guy.  We don't have the talent to be a top 5 D but we have the talent to look much better than we have.  Before the injuries started to stack up on D last year our defense led the league mid season with 15 turnovers.  We are now on place to set the record for the fewest turnovers in NFL history.  Crazy to think coaching doesn't matter lol.  Our core of this defense is still here with actually a few upgrades, Armstead is one big upgrade but the coach plays him out of position and subs his guys in and out like it's a hockey team.  We have an upgrade at nickel as well but it took the coach mid season to figure it out.  If coaching didn't matter teams wouldn't fire coaches every year.  Huge differences when teams get the right coach.

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Here's the issue: coaching can only take talent so far. It is and always will be Players not Plays in the NFL. It's very, very rare that you change coaches and instantly have a winner, whether that's as a team or as a unit of a team. We brought in Nielsen and made the following changes to the starting defense: Antonio Johnson in for Jenkins, Darnell Savage in at nickel, Ron Darby in for Williams, Erik Armstead in for Smoot (I guess? Who the hell knows at this point), and then some rookies who have barely played so far. Does anyone really believe that an offseason scheme change is going to fix the problem? Really? 

Now, they can fire Nielsen, I'm ambivalent about that, but does anyone expect a coaching change or a scheme change to fix what's broken here? I think you're kidding yourselves if you do. This team has a talent deficit, especially in the defensive line, and no amount of coaching is going to fix it. This says nothing of the two years spent acquiring players built to play 43 and forcing them into 34 then wondering why the 34 isn't working. We can go back to to a guy with Caldwell's style of "keep it all in front and avoid the big play" if we want, or we can keep Nielsen and add actual talent to the roster who can run man, or fire him and replace him with a guy with a similar scheme. In short, I don't think firing Nielsen isn't going to make this all that much better because he's not really the problem; the problem is the roster and until that gets sorted every coach is going to struggle here. The only real hope we have is that Maason Smith and Jordan Jefferson grow up and create a strong interior duo that we can supplement with an additional rotational guy. Fix the middle and you fix most everything else IMO.

This is pretty much the same defense as last year except a few spots.  We had a ton of injuries on D last year as well. We added 2 high to mid draft picks at DT, Armstead, Darby, Savage, a healthy Miller, and added a good slot corner in Jones.  Now we are 15 spots worse than last year.  

 Coaching absolutely makes a masive difference if you get the right guy.  We don't have the talent to be a top 5 D but we have the talent to look much better than we have.  Before the injuries started to stack up on D last year our defense led the league mid season with 15 turnovers.  We are now on place to set the record for the fewest turnovers in NFL history.  Crazy to think coaching doesn't matter lol.  Our core of this defense is still here with actually a few upgrades, Armstead is one big upgrade but the coach plays him out of position and subs his guys in and out like it's a hockey team.  We have an upgrade at nickel as well but it took the coach mid season to figure it out.  If coaching didn't matter teams wouldn't fire coaches every year.  Huge differences when teams get the right coach.

Lol, you rehash my entire argument about staffing, pretend like this roster got better in the offseason, and then insist I'm wrong. Coaching makes little difference when the players are trash. Our problem is the players before the coaches.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The biggest reason we started 8-3 last year was because of our defense. This is the same D minus Jenins and Williams. We added Darby, Armstead, Savage, a healthy Miller and Hamilton, 2nd, 3rd, and 3th round pick on D

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This is pretty much the same defense as last year except a few spots.  We had a ton of injuries on D last year as well. We added 2 high to mid draft picks at DT, Armstead, Darby, Savage, a healthy Miller, and added a good slot corner in Jones.  Now we are 15 spots worse than last year.  

 Coaching absolutely makes a masive difference if you get the right guy.  We don't have the talent to be a top 5 D but we have the talent to look much better than we have.  Before the injuries started to stack up on D last year our defense led the league mid season with 15 turnovers.  We are now on place to set the record for the fewest turnovers in NFL history.  Crazy to think coaching doesn't matter lol.  Our core of this defense is still here with actually a few upgrades, Armstead is one big upgrade but the coach plays him out of position and subs his guys in and out like it's a hockey team.  We have an upgrade at nickel as well but it took the coach mid season to figure it out.  If coaching didn't matter teams wouldn't fire coaches every year.  Huge differences when teams get the right coach.

Lol, you rehash my entire argument about staffing, pretend like this roster got better in the offseason, and then insist I'm wrong. Coaching makes little difference when the players are trash. Our problem is the players before the coaches.

Yes i think it's a better roster on D from last year and we are 15 spots worse and about 11 less turnovers. The coach is playing Armstead at DE lol.  You think our roster on D this year is 15 spots worse than last year?

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This is pretty much the same defense as last year except a few spots.  We had a ton of injuries on D last year as well. We added 2 high to mid draft picks at DT, Armstead, Darby, Savage, a healthy Miller, and added a good slot corner in Jones.  Now we are 15 spots worse than last year.  

 Coaching absolutely makes a masive difference if you get the right guy.  We don't have the talent to be a top 5 D but we have the talent to look much better than we have.  Before the injuries started to stack up on D last year our defense led the league mid season with 15 turnovers.  We are now on place to set the record for the fewest turnovers in NFL history.  Crazy to think coaching doesn't matter lol.  Our core of this defense is still here with actually a few upgrades, Armstead is one big upgrade but the coach plays him out of position and subs his guys in and out like it's a hockey team.  We have an upgrade at nickel as well but it took the coach mid season to figure it out.  If coaching didn't matter teams wouldn't fire coaches every year.  Huge differences when teams get the right coach.

Lol, you rehash my entire argument about staffing, pretend like this roster got better in the offseason, and then insist I'm wrong. Coaching makes little difference when the players are trash. Our problem is the players before the coaches.

It's both, players and coaching.  You think we have the worst roster in the league on defense and our roster on D was much better last year?

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Lol, you rehash my entire argument about staffing, pretend like this roster got better in the offseason, and then insist I'm wrong. Coaching makes little difference when the players are trash. Our problem is the players before the coaches.

It's both, players and coaching.  You think we have the worst roster in the league on defense and our roster on D was much better last year?

"We have to get bigger and stronger", did we? Nah, we went the other way. Then you pile on some injuries and some guys who can't figure out their jobs the new scheme? Yeah, worst in the League.

Edit: And don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating to keep Nielsen. Some of the stuff you mentioned is clearly legitimate, but do you really think playing Armistead at tackle or subbing players differently is the difference in being worst in the League and somewhere in the middle? I don't.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The only thing bigger and stronger is the jags opposition. This schedule has been insane.

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Was listening to Nielsen explaining away why he doesn’t play Armstead more on the inside and overall about 23 snaps a game.


He See sawd around the subject but did bring up that End is what Armstead wanted to play when he signed here.

What dip*** move that was from Baalke. And what a selfish move from Armstead. And I do blame Baalke for this because it is widely known that Armstead is a Baalke signing and his guy. 


Let’s sign a guy to x amount of money and rarely put our three best d lineman on the field at the same time because we have to playcate to some guy who only wants to play end …. And then let’s just add him to our DE depth chart and give him significant snaps there taking one of our best players off the field to do so.

So stupid, instead of developing a pass rush and doing what’s best for the team , let’s play trash players throughout the game on the interior, neglect signing any real DEs in the offseason because we have DTs slotted there on our depth chart that we are calling ends, and let’s cover it all up by saying hey we are rotating guys so we can keep guys fresh for our continuos 4th quarter defensive meltdown we experience every week.

Selfish by all parties. They don’t give a rats *** about this defense they only care about there needs (Armstead) or the players they sign getting the credit (Baalke) or sticking to some ridiculous rotation that clearly makes us worse because it’s what you believe in (Nielsen)

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Here's the issue: coaching can only take talent so far. It is and always will be Players not Plays in the NFL. It's very, very rare that you change coaches and instantly have a winner, whether that's as a team or as a unit of a team. We brought in Nielsen and made the following changes to the starting defense: Antonio Johnson in for Jenkins, Darnell Savage in at nickel, Ron Darby in for Williams, Erik Armstead in for Smoot (I guess? Who the hell knows at this point), and then some rookies who have barely played so far. Does anyone really believe that an offseason scheme change is going to fix the problem? Really? 

Now, they can fire Nielsen, I'm ambivalent about that, but does anyone expect a coaching change or a scheme change to fix what's broken here? I think you're kidding yourselves if you do. This team has a talent deficit, especially in the defensive line, and no amount of coaching is going to fix it. This says nothing of the two years spent acquiring players built to play 43 and forcing them into 34 then wondering why the 34 isn't working. We can go back to to a guy with Caldwell's style of "keep it all in front and avoid the big play" if we want, or we can keep Nielsen and add actual talent to the roster who can run man, or fire him and replace him with a guy with a similar scheme. In short, I don't think firing Nielsen isn't going to make this all that much better because he's not really the problem; the problem is the roster and until that gets sorted every coach is going to struggle here. The only real hope we have is that Maason Smith and Jordan Jefferson grow up and create a strong interior duo that we can supplement with an additional rotational guy. Fix the middle and you fix most everything else IMO.

This is pretty much the same defense as last year except a few spots.  We had a ton of injuries on D last year as well. We added 2 high to mid draft picks at DT, Armstead, Darby, Savage, a healthy Miller, and added a good slot corner in Jones.  Now we are 15 spots worse than last year.  

 Coaching absolutely makes a masive difference if you get the right guy.  We don't have the talent to be a top 5 D but we have the talent to look much better than we have.  Before the injuries started to stack up on D last year our defense led the league mid season with 15 turnovers.  We are now on place to set the record for the fewest turnovers in NFL history.  Crazy to think coaching doesn't matter lol.  Our core of this defense is still here with actually a few upgrades, Armstead is one big upgrade but the coach plays him out of position and subs his guys in and out like it's a hockey team.  We have an upgrade at nickel as well but it took the coach mid season to figure it out.  If coaching didn't matter teams wouldn't fire coaches every year.  Huge differences when teams get the right coach.

They essentially swapped out 3/5 of the nickel secondary and only got one of the three right. 

The approach to the IDL is a failure, and they are getting jack squat from the Artmstead signing and IDL draft picks. 

If they'd chosen the new safety more wisely and done the same for their IDL, then maybe this new scheme doesn't appear to be a total failure, but as of now... you gotta' feel like it's the wrong Jimmies and Joes AND the wrong X's and O's.

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The only thing bigger and stronger is the jags opposition. This schedule has been insane.

It was pointed out over the summer that this year's Jaguars team could actually be better than last year's but would end up with a worse record because we have a schedule that will make us have to bring our best every week to compete.  There are no fluff games. Our team sucks, though not as bad as some want to make it out to be. We just aren't as good as people want to think we are when we win.

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Was listening to Nielsen explaining away why he doesn’t play Armstead more on the inside and overall about 23 snaps a game.


He See sawd around the subject but did bring up that End is what Armstead wanted to play when he signed here.

What dip*** move that was from Baalke. And what a selfish move from Armstead. And I do blame Baalke for this because it is widely known that Armstead is a Baalke signing and his guy. 


Let’s sign a guy to x amount of money and rarely put our three best d lineman on the field at the same time because we have to playcate to some guy who only wants to play end …. And then let’s just add him to our DE depth chart and give him significant snaps there taking one of our best players off the field to do so.

So stupid, instead of developing a pass rush and doing what’s best for the team , let’s play trash players throughout the game on the interior, neglect signing any real DEs in the offseason because we have DTs slotted there on our depth chart that we are calling ends, and let’s cover it all up by saying hey we are rotating guys so we can keep guys fresh for our continuos 4th quarter defensive meltdown we experience every week.

Selfish by all parties. They don’t give a rats *** about this defense they only care about there needs (Armstead) or the players they sign getting the credit (Baalke) or sticking to some ridiculous rotation that clearly makes us worse because it’s what you believe in (Nielsen)

Honestly, if that isn't a fireable offense for a owner. I don't know what is. "You made me pay how many millions to a guy who isn't even doing what he is best at?"

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Was listening to Nielsen explaining away why he doesn’t play Armstead more on the inside and overall about 23 snaps a game.


He See sawd around the subject but did bring up that End is what Armstead wanted to play when he signed here.

What dip*** move that was from Baalke. And what a selfish move from Armstead. And I do blame Baalke for this because it is widely known that Armstead is a Baalke signing and his guy. 


Let’s sign a guy to x amount of money and rarely put our three best d lineman on the field at the same time because we have to playcate to some guy who only wants to play end …. And then let’s just add him to our DE depth chart and give him significant snaps there taking one of our best players off the field to do so.

So stupid, instead of developing a pass rush and doing what’s best for the team , let’s play trash players throughout the game on the interior, neglect signing any real DEs in the offseason because we have DTs slotted there on our depth chart that we are calling ends, and let’s cover it all up by saying hey we are rotating guys so we can keep guys fresh for our continuos 4th quarter defensive meltdown we experience every week.

Selfish by all parties. They don’t give a rats *** about this defense they only care about there needs (Armstead) or the players they sign getting the credit (Baalke) or sticking to some ridiculous rotation that clearly makes us worse because it’s what you believe in (Nielsen)

Honestly, if that isn't a fireable offense for a owner. I don't know what is. "You made me pay how many millions to a guy who isn't even doing what he is best at?"

We had to get bigger/stronger in the middle of the defense.  The run defense down the stretch was atrocious and cost us a playoff appearance.  Hamilton wasn't himself though,  and now we get fried in the passing game because we're too slow. The Armstead signing is the definition of just taking a pay raise vacation. He just does what he wants when he wants apparently. That seems to be a theme on this team, no cohesion.

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This is pretty much the same defense as last year except a few spots.  We had a ton of injuries on D last year as well. We added 2 high to mid draft picks at DT, Armstead, Darby, Savage, a healthy Miller, and added a good slot corner in Jones.  Now we are 15 spots worse than last year.  

 Coaching absolutely makes a masive difference if you get the right guy.  We don't have the talent to be a top 5 D but we have the talent to look much better than we have.  Before the injuries started to stack up on D last year our defense led the league mid season with 15 turnovers.  We are now on place to set the record for the fewest turnovers in NFL history.  Crazy to think coaching doesn't matter lol.  Our core of this defense is still here with actually a few upgrades, Armstead is one big upgrade but the coach plays him out of position and subs his guys in and out like it's a hockey team.  We have an upgrade at nickel as well but it took the coach mid season to figure it out.  If coaching didn't matter teams wouldn't fire coaches every year.  Huge differences when teams get the right coach.

They essentially swapped out 3/5 of the nickel secondary and only got one of the three right. 

The approach to the IDL is a failure, and they are getting jack squat from the Artmstead signing and IDL draft picks. 

If they'd chosen the new safety more wisely and done the same for their IDL, then maybe this new scheme doesn't appear to be a total failure, but as of now... you gotta' feel like it's the wrong Jimmies and Joes AND the wrong X's and O's.

Maason Smith and Jefferson hasn't worked out so far? Man... Who would have thought a Baalke reach wouldn't be able to contribute.....

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They essentially swapped out 3/5 of the nickel secondary and only got one of the three right. 

The approach to the IDL is a failure, and they are getting jack squat from the Artmstead signing and IDL draft picks. 

If they'd chosen the new safety more wisely and done the same for their IDL, then maybe this new scheme doesn't appear to be a total failure, but as of now... you gotta' feel like it's the wrong Jimmies and Joes AND the wrong X's and O's.

Maason Smith and Jefferson hasn't worked out so far? Man... Who would have thought a Baalke reach wouldn't be able to contribute.....

To be fair, we have no real idea if they are any good or not with the number of snaps they've played, but we can say they aren't making any impact and one of them was an early pick, so... Not a good start at the very least. 

There does seem to be a clear disconnect between FO and HC on how to incorporate rookies. That's a problem.

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The whole state of things is just incredibly sad. 

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Because Jaguars is our mantra 

Yeah, I think the chiefs would have problems with this schedule lol

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The only thing bigger and stronger is the jags opposition. This schedule has been insane.

It was pointed out over the summer that this year's Jaguars team could actually be better than last year's but would end up with a worse record because we have a schedule that will make us have to bring our best every week to compete.  There are no fluff games.  Our team sucks,  though not as bad as some want to make it out to be.  We just aren't as good as people want to think we are when we win.

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