Agreed but headed towards a top 10 pick?  We are headed towards the 1st overall pick once again for the 3rd time in 5 years lol.  That has never been done before.  We are on the way to just add to the records of suckage

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The players can still play hard with the coach being checked out.  Most players play for the name on the back of their jersey as well as for their next contract.

No, no...I've been assured that coaching is the primary determining factor in whether or not a player plays hard. It's nonsensical to think that the coach quit and the players still play hard. it's one or the other, it can't be both.

Straw man fallacy

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No, no...I've been assured that coaching is the primary determining factor in whether or not a player plays hard. It's nonsensical to think that the coach quit and the players still play hard. it's one or the other, it can't be both.

Straw man fallacy

No, that's your whole argument. If they just called better plays they would work. It's bull [BLEEP], but it's your argument.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Straw man fallacy

No, that's your whole argument. If they just called better plays they would work. It's bull [BLEEP], but it's your argument.

Dude, you know that is NOT my whole argument.  You keep doing that.  And it's incorrect.

I've been critical of players as well.  But yes, I think the coaching is holding back this team.  I think that better coaching can make us a playoff contender next year.  I also think a better GM is needed.  

But you keep trying to paint me into a corner that I am not in.  You're better than that, my friend.

Come on, man.  Let's go bowling some time.

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No, that's your whole argument. If they just called better plays they would work. It's bull [BLEEP], but it's your argument.

Dude, you know that is NOT my whole argument.  You keep doing that.  And it's incorrect.

I've been critical of players as well.  But yes, I think the coaching is holding back this team.  I think that better coaching can make us a playoff contender next year.  I also think a better GM is needed.  

But you keep trying to paint me into a corner that I am not in.  You're better than that, my friend.

Come on, man.  Let's go bowling some time.

I've got a year's worth of your post history that is pretty clear you have a hate boner for Press Taylor. Don't try and distance yourself from it now, we all have the receipts.

We're gonna hopefully get all new next year. I think it will be Baalke and a new coach, but I hope otherwise. But if we keep Baalke and change coaches you will be happy and i'll be laughing at you. Your misery will be delicious.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Dude, you know that is NOT my whole argument.  You keep doing that.  And it's incorrect.

I've been critical of players as well.  But yes, I think the coaching is holding back this team.  I think that better coaching can make us a playoff contender next year.  I also think a better GM is needed.  

But you keep trying to paint me into a corner that I am not in.  You're better than that, my friend.

Come on, man.  Let's go bowling some time.

I've got a year's worth of your post history that is pretty clear you have a hate boner for Press Taylor. Don't try and distance yourself from it now, we all have the receipts.

We're gonna hopefully get all new next year. I think it will be Baalke and a new coach, but I hope otherwise. But if we keep Baalke and change coaches you will be happy and i'll be laughing at you. Your misery will be delicious.

Dude, you don't have years of receipts.  I was calling out Press last year.  That's just 1 year.  That's not years.  Learn plurality.

I was calling out Press because it was obvious that Doug stopped coaching the offense last year.  I kept telling you guys that the offense didn't look right last year. That was what I kept telling you.  Remember?  Go look at your receipts.  I kept telling this board that the offense didn't look like it did in 2022...  And you guys didn't realize that I was right.  And this year, we can see that I was right.

Sorry, bro.  But I was right.  Just admit it.  It's OK to not always be right.  I was right this time.  You can be right the next time.  But I saw what was happening last year.  And I kept telling you guys that something was off.   And you didn't want to accept the truth.  Well here it is,  the Truth.  

Accept it.

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I've got a year's worth of your post history that is pretty clear you have a hate boner for Press Taylor. Don't try and distance yourself from it now, we all have the receipts.

We're gonna hopefully get all new next year. I think it will be Baalke and a new coach, but I hope otherwise. But if we keep Baalke and change coaches you will be happy and i'll be laughing at you. Your misery will be delicious.

Dude, you don't have years of receipts.  I was calling out Press last year.  That's just 1 year.  That's not years.  Learn plurality.

I was calling out Press because it was obvious that Doug stopped coaching the offense last year.  I kept telling you guys that the offense didn't look right last year. That was what I kept telling you.  Remember?  Go look at your receipts.  I kept telling this board that the offense didn't look like it did in 2022...  And you guys didn't realize that I was right.  And this year, we can see that I was right.

Sorry, bro.  But I was right.  Just admit it.  It's OK to not always be right.  I was right this time.  You can be right the next time.  But I saw what was happening last year.  And I kept telling you guys that something was off.   And you didn't want to accept the truth.  Well here it is,  the Truth.  

Accept it.

Lol, and here we are again. You not right, claiming you are....just because Press Taylor's wife more attractive than you.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Dude, you don't have years of receipts.  I was calling out Press last year.  That's just 1 year.  That's not years.  Learn plurality.

I was calling out Press because it was obvious that Doug stopped coaching the offense last year.  I kept telling you guys that the offense didn't look right last year. That was what I kept telling you.  Remember?  Go look at your receipts.  I kept telling this board that the offense didn't look like it did in 2022...  And you guys didn't realize that I was right.  And this year, we can see that I was right.

Sorry, bro.  But I was right.  Just admit it.  It's OK to not always be right.  I was right this time.  You can be right the next time.  But I saw what was happening last year.  And I kept telling you guys that something was off.   And you didn't want to accept the truth.  Well here it is,  the Truth.  

Accept it.

Lol, and here we are again. You not right, claiming you are....just because Press Taylor's wife more attractive than you.

  Dude, what does that even mean?

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Lol, and here we are again. You not right, claiming you are....just because Press Taylor's wife more attractive than you.

  Dude, what does that even mean?

That you're still sad that he chose her over you. I would've thought that obvious, but I guess with you it takes some extra work.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

  Dude, what does that even mean?

That you're still sad that he chose her over you. I would've thought that obvious, but I guess with you it takes some extra work.

Simple joke for a simple mind.

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Khan isn't gonna fire Balke, give up on that happening.  plus everyone said harris needed to be fired,and we needed a new gm.  we did that,it didn't do us anygood,still loseing.

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snowwolf titans owner in madden.

note titans owner means im undeafted againest them. 

That you're still sad that he chose her over you. I would've thought that obvious, but I guess with you it takes some extra work.

Simple joke for a simple mind.

Yet you needed an explanation. As I said previously...lol.

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Khan isn't gonna fire Balke, give up on that happening.  plus everyone said harris needed to be fired,and we needed a new gm.  we did that,it didn't do us anygood,still loseing.

PREACH!

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

An EVP isn't a cheerleader for the city and team. It's so goofy that some of you are wanting Boselli as the EVP when he has absolutely zero front office experience.

I agree with this sentiment.  In fact I really don't think an EVP is necessary, selecting a good/elite GM IS.  I think Khan needs to find (pay for) the best GM selection committee he possibly can.  Were it me, I would try to hire on someone like Mike Shanahan to lead that committee.  You need someone with some insider contacts to select a GM that can control a savvy scouting crew, has a clear vision on what type of football team he wants to build, can wheel and deal effectively in the draft and FA, and doesn't let his ego get in the way of working side-by-side with his head coach.

I agree with the bolded part.  I don't want an EVP.  Didn't we learn the lesson from Coughlin?  When things went bad, Coughlin pointed the finger at Caldwell, while Caldwell pointed the finger at Coughlin.  Khan had no clue who to blame.  The result is that Coughlin became the fall guy and we got stuck with Caldwell for another disastrous year.  I want a clear line of responsibility.  Let's hire the best qualified GM, let him pick the HC, and then hold them responsible for results.

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I agree with this sentiment.  In fact I really don't think an EVP is necessary, selecting a good/elite GM IS.  I think Khan needs to find (pay for) the best GM selection committee he possibly can.  Were it me, I would try to hire on someone like Mike Shanahan to lead that committee.  You need someone with some insider contacts to select a GM that can control a savvy scouting crew, has a clear vision on what type of football team he wants to build, can wheel and deal effectively in the draft and FA, and doesn't let his ego get in the way of working side-by-side with his head coach.

I agree with the bolded part.  I don't want an EVP.  Didn't we learn the lesson from Coughlin?  When things went bad, Coughlin pointed the finger at Caldwell, while Caldwell pointed the finger at Coughlin.  Khan had no clue who to blame.  The result is that Coughlin became the fall guy and we got stuck with Caldwell for another disastrous year.  I want a clear line of responsibility.  Let's hire the best qualified GM, let him pick the HC, and then hold them responsible for results.

I understand the concern.  But I think a players type EVP is the correct hire.  The problem was that Coughlin didn't want to be the EVP, he wanted to be the GM/HC all wrapped up into one.

Plus, let's not forget that Coughlin is a hard nosed micro manager.  There was no way that type of personality type would be a good EVP.  You need an EVP that looks at the big picture and then allows the GM and HC to do their jobs, while he oversees the entire operation and provides an unbiased report to the owner.  

I think Boselli fits all these attributes.  He's a players guy that has experience on the field at an HOF level.  He will demand respect from all those underneath him.  He is also smart, politically savvy, and eloquent enough to communicate to the owner the best course of action.  By "political" I don't mean Red V. Blue.  But that he knows how to manage his wording in a way that will engage the owner to act properly.  Boselli has emotional intelligence.  He's learned it over time from having to debate Pete Prisco.  He's a great face to the franchise.  Especially since Shad is more comfortable just sitting in the background.  You need someone like Boselli to be the calm, measured voice of the franchise that is all in on the city.

Boselli fits the bill.  Let Boselli then look to hire what he thinks would be the best GM/HC combo that will have passion to really build a team for long term success.

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I'm pretty sure its Trent and Doug are gone or Trevor is

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I agree with the bolded part.  I don't want an EVP.  Didn't we learn the lesson from Coughlin?  When things went bad, Coughlin pointed the finger at Caldwell, while Caldwell pointed the finger at Coughlin.  Khan had no clue who to blame.  The result is that Coughlin became the fall guy and we got stuck with Caldwell for another disastrous year.  I want a clear line of responsibility.  Let's hire the best qualified GM, let him pick the HC, and then hold them responsible for results.

I understand the concern.  But I think a players type EVP is the correct hire.  The problem was that Coughlin didn't want to be the EVP, he wanted to be the GM/HC all wrapped up into one.

Plus, let's not forget that Coughlin is a hard nosed micro manager.  There was no way that type of personality type would be a good EVP.  You need an EVP that looks at the big picture and then allows the GM and HC to do their jobs, while he oversees the entire operation and provides an unbiased report to the owner.  

I think Boselli fits all these attributes.  He's a players guy that has experience on the field at an HOF level.  He will demand respect from all those underneath him.  He is also smart, politically savvy, and eloquent enough to communicate to the owner the best course of action.  By "political" I don't mean Red V. Blue.  But that he knows how to manage his wording in a way that will engage the owner to act properly.  Boselli has emotional intelligence.  He's learned it over time from having to debate Pete Prisco.  He's a great face to the franchise.  Especially since Shad is more comfortable just sitting in the background.  You need someone like Boselli to be the calm, measured voice of the franchise that is all in on the city.

Boselli fits the bill.  Let Boselli then look to hire what he thinks would be the best GM/HC combo that will have passion to really build a team for long term success.

You really have weird thoughts about this. Exactly how much interaction to you think NFL players have with the executive that's 6 levels above them on the org chart? And Tony Boselli has zero experience in an NFL front office, you'd expect some top flight GM to come be subordinate to a newb? Really?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I understand the concern.  But I think a players type EVP is the correct hire.  The problem was that Coughlin didn't want to be the EVP, he wanted to be the GM/HC all wrapped up into one.

Plus, let's not forget that Coughlin is a hard nosed micro manager.  There was no way that type of personality type would be a good EVP.  You need an EVP that looks at the big picture and then allows the GM and HC to do their jobs, while he oversees the entire operation and provides an unbiased report to the owner.  

I think Boselli fits all these attributes.  He's a players guy that has experience on the field at an HOF level.  He will demand respect from all those underneath him.  He is also smart, politically savvy, and eloquent enough to communicate to the owner the best course of action.  By "political" I don't mean Red V. Blue.  But that he knows how to manage his wording in a way that will engage the owner to act properly.  Boselli has emotional intelligence.  He's learned it over time from having to debate Pete Prisco.  He's a great face to the franchise.  Especially since Shad is more comfortable just sitting in the background.  You need someone like Boselli to be the calm, measured voice of the franchise that is all in on the city.

Boselli fits the bill.  Let Boselli then look to hire what he thinks would be the best GM/HC combo that will have passion to really build a team for long term success.

You really have weird thoughts about this. Exactly how much interaction to you think NFL players have with the executive that's 6 levels above them on the org chart? And Tony Boselli has zero experience in an NFL front office, you'd expect some top flight GM to come be subordinate to a newb? Really?

I like the idea of a figurehead that can be a voice of reason.  Seems pretty logical.  The GM will get to do his job without having to deal with the media.  The EVP can be the voice of the franchise.  

It's not really that difficult to figure out...  I know for you it probably is...  But those of us that have lived in the corporate world and also had to deal with messaging, it seems pretty obvious.  Don't worry, man.  I'll explain it to you when we have a few drinks together.

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You really have weird thoughts about this. Exactly how much interaction to you think NFL players have with the executive that's 6 levels above them on the org chart? And Tony Boselli has zero experience in an NFL front office, you'd expect some top flight GM to come be subordinate to a newb? Really?

I like the idea of a figurehead that can be a voice of reason.  Seems pretty logical.  The GM will get to do his job without having to deal with the media.  The EVP can be the voice of the franchise.  

It's not really that difficult to figure out...  I know for you it probably is...  But those of us that have lived in the corporate world and also had to deal with messaging, it seems pretty obvious.  Don't worry, man.  I'll explain it to you when we have a few drinks together.

Lol, I'm sure all those other executives in the NFL think of themselves as "figureheads", and I've forgotten more about the corporate world than you're likely to learn in a lifetime. It's ok pookie, you'll figure it out some day.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I like the idea of a figurehead that can be a voice of reason.  Seems pretty logical.  The GM will get to do his job without having to deal with the media.  The EVP can be the voice of the franchise.  

It's not really that difficult to figure out...  I know for you it probably is...  But those of us that have lived in the corporate world and also had to deal with messaging, it seems pretty obvious.  Don't worry, man.  I'll explain it to you when we have a few drinks together.

Lol, I'm sure all those other executives in the NFL think of themselves as "figureheads", and I've forgotten more about the corporate world than you're likely to learn in a lifetime. It's ok pookie, you'll figure it out some day.

Boselli is the no slouch.  I hope he get's into the front office.  I think he can turn things around.  All the other insults we sling back and forth doesn't matter.

I just want a real pro that can teach Shad Khan how to run this franchise.  I think Boselli is the answer.  Maybe I'm wrong.  But at least we give a guy that is die hard a chance.  Boselli loves the franchise, he'll do whatever it takes to make it successful.  Give the dude a chance.  I'd rather risk it on a guy that has been here since day 1 as opposed to bringing in another guy that just looks at this franchise as a pay day.

You know I'm right.  We have to build from within.  Boselli will do that.

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Lol, I'm sure all those other executives in the NFL think of themselves as "figureheads", and I've forgotten more about the corporate world than you're likely to learn in a lifetime. It's ok pookie, you'll figure it out some day.

Boselli is the no slouch.  I hope he get's into the front office.  I think he can turn things around.  All the other insults we sling back and forth doesn't matter.

I just want a real pro that can teach Shad Khan how to run this franchise.  I think Boselli is the answer.  Maybe I'm wrong.  But at least we give a guy that is die hard a chance.  Boselli loves the franchise, he'll do whatever it takes to make it successful.  Give the dude a chance.  I'd rather risk it on a guy that has been here since day 1 as opposed to bringing in another guy that just looks at this franchise as a pay day.

You know I'm right.  We have to build from within.  Boselli will do that.

It's outlandish that you want all these hyper-focused professional accomplishments and pin your hopes on someone who is completely unaccomplished in the field.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Boselli is the no slouch.  I hope he get's into the front office.  I think he can turn things around.  All the other insults we sling back and forth doesn't matter.

I just want a real pro that can teach Shad Khan how to run this franchise.  I think Boselli is the answer.  Maybe I'm wrong.  But at least we give a guy that is die hard a chance.  Boselli loves the franchise, he'll do whatever it takes to make it successful.  Give the dude a chance.  I'd rather risk it on a guy that has been here since day 1 as opposed to bringing in another guy that just looks at this franchise as a pay day.

You know I'm right.  We have to build from within.  Boselli will do that.

It's outlandish that you want all these hyper-focused professional accomplishments and pin your hopes on someone who is completely unaccomplished in the field.

What makes you think Boselli is unaccomplished?  The dude is a real professional.  You don't think he's been learning about how to be the voice of a franchise for the years he's been doing that same dog on job?

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