Yep, we've wasted too many years of TLaw's career.

Perhaps you can help me with this inconsistency.  If Balke is this franchise’s poison (which I agree with you on) how can all his team composition choices be wrong EXCEPT for TL?


It seems to me that we can all agree that Balke is at the very best mediocre and in fact is actually awful as a GM, both here and at SFO (who fired him and who have excelled as a franchise from almost the very minute he walked out the door).  Then why do we insist on his only good decision being TL rather than accept the much more likely possibility which is that TL is just one more complete fumble by Balke?

There doesn't have to be an extreme. Trevor isn't an elite QB, but he's above average when you fix some of the glaring issues. Bad O-Line, bad coaching. There's a reason Trevor typically does better in hurry up and when he actually has protection.

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Can we make comparisons to CJ Stroud again?

Hot tip, this second year player is demonstrating what a franchise QB is expected to do.

Lol

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Can we make comparisons to CJ Stroud again?

Hot tip, this second year player is demonstrating what a franchise QB is expected to do.

Lol

He's just....bad with his take.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I mean I was told that Jared Goff is better than Trevor today.

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Can we make comparisons to CJ Stroud again?

Hot tip, this second year player is demonstrating what a franchise QB is expected to do.

Looooool!!

That one came back to bite you didn't it!!

What a clown you are.

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Well the texans are choking

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Well the texans are choking

They'll still land the 4th seed at the minimum and probably be one and done in the post season. We should have been challenging them this year for the divisional lead though. We're just not as competent or competitive as they are as a total team and it is what it is.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Why is Johnson out there?

I’ll take Questions For An Exhibitionist for $200, Alex.

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Why is Johnson out there?

I’ll take Questions For An Exhibitionist for $200, Alex.

Answer: Because Doug is the smartest guy in the room.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Can we make comparisons to CJ Stroud again?

Hot tip, this second year player is demonstrating what a franchise QB is expected to do.

I think this guy needs a long timeout for his own sake.

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Can we make comparisons to CJ Stroud again?

Hot tip, this second year player is demonstrating what a franchise QB is expected to do.

I think this guy needs a long timeout for his own sake.

He's been pretty decent this year. He's not lighting it up as much as he did as a rookie but I still don't see the point in comparing Stroud to Lawrence. Especially with one guy two years ahead of him already in the NFL. 

Stroud was handed 5 INT's off of Goff's arm last night and didn't do enough to win that game. It is Detroit though, in fairness to him.

Outside of last night's game and the loss to the Vikings this year? He's played relatively good football, mistake free football and that's also been with key injuries to his WR room and no Joe Mixon for awhile.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I think this guy needs a long timeout for his own sake.

He's been pretty decent this year. He's not lighting it up as much as he did as a rookie but I still don't see the point in comparing Stroud to Lawrence. Especially with one guy two years ahead of him already in the NFL. 

Stroud was handed 5 INT's off of Goff's arm last night and didn't do enough to win that game. It is Detroit though, in fairness to him.

Outside of last night's game and the loss to the Vikings this year? He's played relatively good football, mistake free football and that's also been with key injuries to his WR room and no Joe Mixon for awhile.

He played like crap against the packers and jets and bears… he hasn’t had a second half touchdown since they played the patriots… he hasn’t been the same guy as he was last year and that’s a fact. His poor OL has played a large role in the majority of his bad showings though. Injuries too. Sound familiar ?

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I think this guy needs a long timeout for his own sake.

He's been pretty decent this year. He's not lighting it up as much as he did as a rookie but I still don't see the point in comparing Stroud to Lawrence. Especially with one guy two years ahead of him already in the NFL. 

Stroud was handed 5 INT's off of Goff's arm last night and didn't do enough to win that game. It is Detroit though, in fairness to him.

Outside of last night's game and the loss to the Vikings this year? He's played relatively good football, mistake free football and that's also been with key injuries to his WR room and no Joe Mixon for awhile.

Interesting.

We can use the excuses for Stroud but when people bring up the issues surrounding Trevor, they’re homers?

I watched Josh Allen throw for zero TDs and 2 horrific interceptions yesterday. Goff threw 5 picks. Mahomes played average. But because they are actually in functional franchises, they won.

Lawrence has NEVER had that luxury. Ever. If he’s not perfect, they lose. And then he takes all the blame because he’s not “lifting up every single player around him.”

We do this song and dance every single week. He’s the least appreciated player I’ve ever seen for the Jaguars. And yesterday proved that.

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It's been 5 weeks since Stroud has had a 2nd half TD lol. He's not good without Collins.

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I think this guy needs a long timeout for his own sake.

He's been pretty decent this year. He's not lighting it up as much as he did as a rookie but I still don't see the point in comparing Stroud to Lawrence. Especially with one guy two years ahead of him already in the NFL. 

Stroud was handed 5 INT's off of Goff's arm last night and didn't do enough to win that game. It is Detroit though, in fairness to him.

Outside of last night's game and the loss to the Vikings this year? He's played relatively good football, mistake free football and that's also been with key injuries to his WR room and no Joe Mixon for awhile.

He's a good QB, but has been a far better situation his whole career than Trevor has ever been in with this team, and who has had essentially the same statistical year as Trevor this year, but Stroud is great and Trev is balls if you go by the national perception.

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He's been pretty decent this year. He's not lighting it up as much as he did as a rookie but I still don't see the point in comparing Stroud to Lawrence. Especially with one guy two years ahead of him already in the NFL. 

Stroud was handed 5 INT's off of Goff's arm last night and didn't do enough to win that game. It is Detroit though, in fairness to him.

Outside of last night's game and the loss to the Vikings this year? He's played relatively good football, mistake free football and that's also been with key injuries to his WR room and no Joe Mixon for awhile.

Interesting.

We can use the excuses for Stroud but when people bring up the issues surrounding Trevor, they’re homers?

I watched Josh Allen throw for zero TDs and 2 horrific interceptions yesterday. Goff threw 5 picks. Mahomes played average. But because they are actually in functional franchises, they won.

Lawrence has NEVER had that luxury. Ever. If he’s not perfect, they lose. And then he takes all the blame because he’s not “lifting up every single player around him.”

We do this song and dance every single week. He’s the least appreciated player I’ve ever seen for the Jaguars. And yesterday proved that.

Again, you have to look at the time spent in the NFL overall. Stroud is in year two, he hasn't even notched 30 career starts yet in the NFL. This is just his 2nd year already with the same coaching staff. 

Lawrence WAS afforded these very same excuses during his first two years in the NFL. The only difference is that he has his name tied to a big fat contract on paper, and, for better or worse, people see that in the media and everywhere else and they'll continue to pick him apart.

I already cited my concerns and issues with not just him, but, the entirety of this franchise all over this forum. I recently cited the biggest issue and what I think needs to be done over in the Doug Pederson thread about being fired. 

I really think that's what needs to happen first and foremost and then you work around Trevor from there. If I had to draw up a list of 10 concerns about the current state of the Jaguars? Lawrence probably rounds out the very bottom in that 7th - 10th range. Which is fair and reasonable in my honest opinion. 

I don't see him as THE issue, not even a top three to five issue. But, at times, yes, he was needed to play better football in order to win some close games and we didn't see it out of him.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

He's been pretty decent this year. He's not lighting it up as much as he did as a rookie but I still don't see the point in comparing Stroud to Lawrence. Especially with one guy two years ahead of him already in the NFL. 

Stroud was handed 5 INT's off of Goff's arm last night and didn't do enough to win that game. It is Detroit though, in fairness to him.

Outside of last night's game and the loss to the Vikings this year? He's played relatively good football, mistake free football and that's also been with key injuries to his WR room and no Joe Mixon for awhile.

He's a good QB, but has been a far better situation his whole career than Trevor has ever been in with this team, and who has had essentially the same statistical year as Trevor this year, but Stroud is great and Trev is balls if you go by the national perception.

Winning games will do that for you. If the entirety of that team were sitting under .500 right now, they would be throwing shade at C.J for failing as well and not doing enough, etc. 

Winning cures all. You rarely heard a peep about Lawrence's numbers in year two and that first half in year three because the team kept finding ways to win football games. 

It's only when you're losing that the media lines up with their rags loaded with bars of soap and pummels you while you're down like Private Pyle in Full Metal Jacket. 

We could say the same though for a lot of QB's. 

Stroud's situation has been better than Bryce Young's, Anthony Richardson's and Will Levis'. Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams can also be added to this list of names who have had it better than those three previously mentioned names.

Which, again, goes back to what I said to Cleatwood. Lawrence is towards the bottom of most people's list of concerns. And, I think Mac's situation yesterday proves it even further that it's more coaching than it is talent. Lawrence's talent has carried this staff and this team as far as it can.

His body is now paying the price for it effectively from the midway point of last year. So, we'll see.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Interesting.

We can use the excuses for Stroud but when people bring up the issues surrounding Trevor, they’re homers?

I watched Josh Allen throw for zero TDs and 2 horrific interceptions yesterday. Goff threw 5 picks. Mahomes played average. But because they are actually in functional franchises, they won.

Lawrence has NEVER had that luxury. Ever. If he’s not perfect, they lose. And then he takes all the blame because he’s not “lifting up every single player around him.”

We do this song and dance every single week. He’s the least appreciated player I’ve ever seen for the Jaguars. And yesterday proved that.

Again, you have to look at the time spent in the NFL overall. Stroud is in year two, he hasn't even notched 30 career starts yet in the NFL. This is just his 2nd year already with the same coaching staff. 

Lawrence WAS afforded these very same excuses during his first two years in the NFL. The only difference is that he has his name tied to a big fat contract on paper, and, for better or worse, people see that in the media and everywhere else and they'll continue to pick him apart.

I already cited my concerns and issues with not just him, but, the entirety of this franchise all over this forum. I recently cited the biggest issue and what I think needs to be done over in the Doug Pederson thread about being fired. 

I really think that's what needs to happen first and foremost and then you work around Trevor from there. If I had to draw up a list of 10 concerns about the current state of the Jaguars? Lawrence probably rounds out the very bottom in that 7th - 10th range. Which is fair and reasonable in my honest opinion. 

I don't see him as THE issue, not even a top three to five issue. But, at times, yes, he was needed to play better football in order to win some close games and we didn't see it out of him.

Lawrence did win a playoff game in his 2nd year so let's see if Stroud can do that.

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Lawrence needs a competent coach and gm and we'll be back to first. Stroud is decent, but I don't think he is better at all.

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No Fun

Texans oline isn't great but it's better than ours and they have have one of the best LTs in the league. They have a really good set of WRs when healthy as well, Collins was leading the league in recieving when he went down. Texans also have a really good D. When Collins doesn't play Stoud isnt the same QB. Darnold wasn't good yesterday but he's had a good year and is a different QB with Jefferson. That Texans team is loaded with talent.

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