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Coaching Firings/ Personnel Changes


(11-20-2024, 04:35 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: Rumors heating up more.

Apparently Bb is actually interested in Jax.

Per Diana Russini with the Athletic

Cuz we have Dewey
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(11-20-2024, 04:37 PM)MojoKing Wrote:
(11-20-2024, 04:35 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: Rumors heating up more.

Apparently Bb is actually interested in Jax.

Per Diana Russini with the Athletic

Cuz we have Dewey

No. It's because Khan will give into his demands and let him run the whole operation. Which could be a mistake. We'll see I guess. At this point, if it gets Baalke out of the building? DO we really think Belichick will ruin this team personnel wise? Can it be as bad as what Baalke has done?

And we at least know he'll fix the defense, the offensive line and the running game. I think that's just an automatic.
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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/th...1528622068

About the 1:20 mark. They talk about the Jags and how it's the #1 spot if you want a HC job.
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(11-20-2024, 04:44 PM)Caldrac Wrote:
(11-20-2024, 04:37 PM)MojoKing Wrote: Cuz we have Dewey

No. It's because Khan will give into his demands and let him run the whole operation. Which could be a mistake. We'll see I guess. At this point, if it gets Baalke out of the building? DO we really think Belichick will ruin this team personnel wise? Can it be as bad as what Baalke has done?

And we at least know he'll fix the defense, the offensive line and the running game. I think that's just an automatic.
Bring in Tom Brady to coordinate the offense.
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(11-20-2024, 05:23 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote:
(11-20-2024, 04:44 PM)Caldrac Wrote: No. It's because Khan will give into his demands and let him run the whole operation. Which could be a mistake. We'll see I guess. At this point, if it gets Baalke out of the building? DO we really think Belichick will ruin this team personnel wise? Can it be as bad as what Baalke has done?

And we at least know he'll fix the defense, the offensive line and the running game. I think that's just an automatic.
Bring in Tom Brady to coordinate the offense.

I’ll take Senseless Statements I Pulled From My Butt for $200, Alex.
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(11-20-2024, 04:44 PM)Caldrac Wrote:
(11-20-2024, 04:37 PM)MojoKing Wrote: Cuz we have Dewey

No. It's because Khan will give into his demands and let him run the whole operation. Which could be a mistake. We'll see I guess. At this point, if it gets Baalke out of the building? DO we really think Belichick will ruin this team personnel wise? Can it be as bad as what Baalke has done?

And we at least know he'll fix the defense, the offensive line and the running game. I think that's just an automatic.

I don’t think he will. ANY coach would have a “sophomore slump” after a QB like Brady leaving. Even then he squeezed blood out of a stone for some time. 

He would bring discipline to this team. No more shooting ourselves in the foot. And he’d have a malleable QB again
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(11-20-2024, 06:45 PM)SamusAranX Wrote:
(11-20-2024, 04:44 PM)Caldrac Wrote: No. It's because Khan will give into his demands and let him run the whole operation. Which could be a mistake. We'll see I guess. At this point, if it gets Baalke out of the building? DO we really think Belichick will ruin this team personnel wise? Can it be as bad as what Baalke has done?

And we at least know he'll fix the defense, the offensive line and the running game. I think that's just an automatic.

I don’t think he will. ANY coach would have a “sophomore slump” after a QB like Brady leaving. Even then he squeezed blood out of a stone for some time. 

He would bring discipline to this team. No more shooting ourselves in the foot. And he’d have a malleable QB again

Additionally,

There's something to be said about BB's motivation.  He wants to take over the Shula all time record for wins...  He also wants to prove that wasn't just Brady that was the reason for the pats dynasty...  He'd be more motivated than most of the coaches we've brought in here.

Now, is he too old?  Maybe?  Probably.  Will he bring in DCs to run the offense like he did the last years of his time with the pats?  Jeez, at the point, who knows?  McDaniels is a great OC.  If he brings him to run the offense, then maybe this thing can turn around...

Hiring BB is a 50/50 proposition, in my opinion.  It could work out great.  Or we could crash and burn, further ruining Lawrence.  Giving BB the GM responsibility should come with some sort of strings attached.  But who knows what will happen.  

Honestly at this point what does it really matter anymore?  Maybe it'll work.  Maybe it won't.  But I think he'd be motivated more than some other coaches would be to come here.  But what the [BLEEP] do any of us know?  We've tried everything and nothing ever seems to work.  We brought in a young up and coming DC that was lauded as the next big thing with Gus.  We brought in a HC from Buffalo that looked like he was ready to take his next HC opportunity with gusto and mold a playoff caliber team.  We brought in a highly "respected" college HC that had national championship credentials.  And we hired a SB winning HC.

None of it worked.  The odds of anything working at this point is probably not good.  I'm just ready for the next phase of our failures.  This one has worn out it's welcome.
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(11-20-2024, 05:23 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote:
(11-20-2024, 04:44 PM)Caldrac Wrote: No. It's because Khan will give into his demands and let him run the whole operation. Which could be a mistake. We'll see I guess. At this point, if it gets Baalke out of the building? DO we really think Belichick will ruin this team personnel wise? Can it be as bad as what Baalke has done?

And we at least know he'll fix the defense, the offensive line and the running game. I think that's just an automatic.
Bring in Tom Brady to coordinate the offense.
I'm anti bellicheck and I hate Brady but I think this might just be crazy enough to work
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(This post was last modified: 11-20-2024, 08:22 PM by flgatorsandjags. Edited 2 times in total.)

If we dont get Johnson and we want to go the younger up and coming coordinator route my next want is Jesse Minter. Would love a Minter hire. Last year the Chargers were 24th in scoring D. This year they are 1st and only give up 14.5 points a game. For comparison our 2017 sacksonville gave up 16.75 ppg and also better than the 2014 Seahawks who gave up 15.8 ppg. They best in over 20 years. The also used their 1st and 2nd round pick this past year on offense and mostly the same defense as the year before. Just goes to show what coaching can do.

He was also the DC of the 2023 Michigan team that had a dominant D to help lead them to a Natty. Before that he was an assistant and DB coach for some great Ravens defenses. I think Minter would be a great young hire if he can find a good OC to get Trevor where he needs to be. Would put Minter right there with Johnson just one is offense and one is defense.
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(11-20-2024, 07:14 PM)carp8dm Wrote:
(11-20-2024, 06:45 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: I don’t think he will. ANY coach would have a “sophomore slump” after a QB like Brady leaving. Even then he squeezed blood out of a stone for some time. 

He would bring discipline to this team. No more shooting ourselves in the foot. And he’d have a malleable QB again

Additionally,

There's something to be said about BB's motivation.  He wants to take over the Shula all time record for wins...  He also wants to prove that wasn't just Brady that was the reason for the pats dynasty...  He'd be more motivated than most of the coaches we've brought in here.

Now, is he too old?  Maybe?  Probably.  Will he bring in DCs to run the offense like he did the last years of his time with the pats?  Jeez, at the point, who knows?  McDaniels is a great OC.  If he brings him to run the offense, then maybe this thing can turn around...

Hiring BB is a 50/50 proposition, in my opinion.  It could work out great.  Or we could crash and burn, further ruining Lawrence.  Giving BB the GM responsibility should come with some sort of strings attached.  But who knows what will happen.  

Honestly at this point what does it really matter anymore?  Maybe it'll work.  Maybe it won't.  But I think he'd be motivated more than some other coaches would be to come here.  But what the [BLEEP] do any of us know?  We've tried everything and nothing ever seems to work.  We brought in a young up and coming DC that was lauded as the next big thing with Gus.  We brought in a HC from Buffalo that looked like he was ready to take his next HC opportunity with gusto and mold a playoff caliber team.  We brought in a highly "respected" college HC that had national championship credentials.  And we hired a SB winning HC.

None of it worked.  The odds of anything working at this point is probably not good.  I'm just ready for the next phase of our failures.  This one has worn out it's welcome.
Yep it's all a risk. Whoever is the coach, needs to go pay for the best OC possible and turn the offense over to them if they aren't an offensive coach. Does BB have relationships with the top offensive coaching minds or will the Jags get an old retread or unproven, unknown coach.

Jags have tried all types and results are still terrible.

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(11-20-2024, 08:16 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: If we dont get Johnson and we want to go the younger up and coming coordinator route my next want is Jesse Minter. Would love a Minter hire. Last year the Chargers were 24th in scoring D. This year they are 1st and only give up 14.5 points a game. For comparison our 2017 sacksonville gave up 16.75 ppg and also better than the 2014 Seahawks who gave up 15.8 ppg. They best in over 20 years. The also used their 1st and 2nd round pick this past year on offense and mostly the same defense as the year before. Just goes to show what coaching can do.

He was also the DC of the 2023 Michigan team that had a dominant D to help lead them to a Natty. Before that he was an assistant and DB coach for some great Ravens defenses. I think Minter would be a great young hire if he can find a good OC to get Trevor where he needs to be. Would put Minter right there with Johnson just one is offense and one is defense.

Harbaugh is the reason the Bolts have turned it around.
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(11-20-2024, 08:32 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote:
(11-20-2024, 08:16 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: If we dont get Johnson and we want to go the younger up and coming coordinator route my next want is Jesse Minter.  Would love a Minter hire.  Last year the Chargers were 24th in scoring D.  This year they are 1st and only give up 14.5 points a game.  For comparison our 2017 sacksonville gave up 16.75 ppg and also better than the 2014 Seahawks who gave up 15.8 ppg.  They best in over 20 years.  The also used their 1st and 2nd round pick this past year on offense and mostly the same defense as the year before.  Just goes to show what coaching can do.

He was also the DC of the 2023 Michigan team that had a dominant D to help lead them to a Natty.  Before that he was an assistant and DB coach for some great Ravens defenses.  I think Minter would be a great young hire if he can find a good OC to get Trevor where he needs to be.  Would put Minter right there with Johnson just one is offense and one is defense.

Harbaugh is the reason the Bolts have turned it around.
Harbaugh is a great coach but he isn't running that defense nor did he run the defense at Michigan nor did he run the D when he was with the niners.  You could say Dan Campbell is the reason the Lions have turned it around but both Minter and Johnson are very good HC candidates. I like the idea of coming from the Harbaugh coaching tree.
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Bring in Minter and draft Mason Graham
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Popcorn is ready
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(11-20-2024, 09:46 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: Popcorn is ready
It's going to be stale by the end of the year

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My top 3 candidates for next coach of the Jaguars are:

1. Ben Johnson: Very unlikely to come here, however. He'll have his choice of teams and I can't see Jacksonville winning out.

2. Todd Monken: Really like this option. Very good offensive mind. Players really enjoy playing for him due to his high energy and authenticity. His age (58) is considered a drawback by many, yet he's 14 years younger than
Bill Belichick. I consider his experience an advantage rather than a liability. He also is familiar with Jacksonville having been their receivers coach from 2007-10. Not a sexy pick, but very solid.

3. Mike Vrabel: This team could use someone tough after having Pederson. He did very well with the Titans taking them to the Championship game during his stint. Very solid candidate.
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I am skeptical of Belichek's motivation. My guess is he would have retired the year after Brady left if he had more wins than Halas and Shula. This goal is all he wants and realistically the only real goal left for him. Kraft kept him on trying to allow him to do it but ran out of patience. He will use some hapless team to achieve it and then bail leaving them with a mess. That actually could make him a perfect fit with our HC luck ...Wink
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(11-20-2024, 05:11 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/th...1528622068

About the 1:20 mark. They talk about the Jags and how it's the #1 spot if you want a HC job.

presently. If the other Taylor is fired, I would give Cincy the edge. I don't know where they stand cap-wise, but they are a near mirror image of us as far as building process, and I'd give a slight edge to Burrow over TLaw as the QB I'd hitch my wagon to if given the choice.

The only difference might be whether you'd prefer to work under Shad or Mike Brown.

(11-20-2024, 06:15 PM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(11-20-2024, 05:23 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: Bring in Tom Brady to coordinate the offense.

I’ll take Senseless Statements I Pulled From My Butt for $200, Alex.

Cut him some slack, we can't ALL be the funniest poster on the board.
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(11-20-2024, 06:45 PM)SamusAranX Wrote:
(11-20-2024, 04:44 PM)Caldrac Wrote: No. It's because Khan will give into his demands and let him run the whole operation. Which could be a mistake. We'll see I guess. At this point, if it gets Baalke out of the building? DO we really think Belichick will ruin this team personnel wise? Can it be as bad as what Baalke has done?

And we at least know he'll fix the defense, the offensive line and the running game. I think that's just an automatic.

I don’t think he will. ANY coach would have a “sophomore slump” after a QB like Brady leaving. Even then he squeezed blood out of a stone for some time. 

He would bring discipline to this team. No more shooting ourselves in the foot. And he’d have a malleable QB again

I think he'd be able to coach guys for a few years. I don't trust him with GM duties, though. Granted they were picking late in a lot of darfts, but rarely did they end up with a talent advantage outside of the QB position.
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